yup.

Black Sabbath?

Saturday for me;^]

yup. sundown friday to sundown sat. i never have figgured out how all these sunday churches miss that one. expecially since the penalty for non compliance is death. hmmmm big clue there about organised religions.

Thats old testament stuff.

Well I'm not gonna put down orginised religion, I don't believe unorginised religion even exists. But the sunday sabbath started with constantine, he demanded that christians adhere to his new found catholic tradition and move the sabbath to sunday so that pagans and christians would have a universal day of worship (sunday was the roman day to worship their sun god Apollo). Many people talk about how constantine was so leniant to individuals beliefs, yet gnostics were still denied that freedom;^]

thats bible stuff. Gods laws never change, Mans laws, or interpetation thereof,change like a camillion. some sincere study will show us tht there is in fact perfect harmony between the two gospels.

tp, didnt know that. I do know that we are clearly commanded to observe, both in the old and new testaments.

Turtle is very correct, well done!

Just the way the most powerful and wealthy country of that time was able to push its religion onto others. That is what wealthy and powerful countries do all through time. They say people see that they have the "real" god but in reality no one can or will go against the most wealthy and powerful. They just take the God offered and keep their mouth shut cause it either feeds the kids or keeps the kids out of war.

i dont think WHEN you observe the sabbath matters, as long as you observe it. and i dont think working on the sabbath is bad. jesus did.

all in all, i think god cares more about your heart than the little technicalities. the commandment says "keep the sabbath". doesnt indicate that the day of the week matters.

I do definatly agree with that, and as long as they're working for God that day I agree with that part too, afterall running the church is a job itself. But yeah, no problems with sunday goers and such, they're just living the way they learned and as long as it's to serve God, that's what's important;^]

Also what type of calender was being used when the book was written. I think it would be pretty hard to figure out when the sabbath fell back in those days and try to replicate that.

its really quite simple math if you care to do the homework on it. sundown friday till sundown saturday. written in stone. the bible says observe it so i do..... intermittently. lol.
its actually quite difficult to observe a saturday sabbath in our culture. i fail often but i try.

rabbitt
1 thing the Jews have definately preserved is the sabbath. I have no doubt when it is. Also can anyone show me just one scripture in the NT that does away with the 7th day sabbath and commands it to be on the 1st day. Just 1 ..Blessings...Miles

Rambill and miles
Do you guys think the calender we use today is in any way similar to the one from the old testament?






here's just a little info from net..

The system of keeping time in the Old Testament was based on the cycles of the moon rather than a solar calendar like we use today. In fact, the Hebrew term for "month," chodesh, means "new [moon]," referring to the new moon that began the month. The lunar cycle played a significant role in the cultural and religious life in ancient Israel so that time could be counted by the cycles of the moon (Ex. 19:1). The New Moon was a festival day

Have you been awakened by this news? or do you still think you can just call Saturday sabbath cause it is easy?

The scriptual calander rabbitt is done by the sighting of the new moon. MOON=todays month. But we have devided up the months. When the new moon was seen in ancient Israel they had runners who would go to the highest peak and look for the new moon which started that month so to speak. When they saw it they would blow the rams horn. Everyone would blow it throught Israel so all would know that it was sighted. Thier is even a reference to this when Yahshua said do not come down off of your housetops. This is when people would be up thier looking. They knew when it was comming appr. so they would look a day or 2 before even to make sure they did not miss it. The 1st month of the new year is called Green Ears. This they called Abib. For this new moon to be valid for the beginning of the year barley had to be up in Israel. This set forth the count to Passover which after Passover the count to Pentecost 50 days would start. Funny the count is still done from the end os the Sabbath after Passover. which makes it always on sunday. Well anyway thier is so much to this subject as it is prophecy of the messiah's comming "watch therefor" But the 7 day time cycles never ends.. Blessings..Miles

sabbath to me means saturday~seventh day adventist

even if you don't keep the sabbath. if you are a believer and ask for forgiveness, god will absolve u of any sin, no matter how great.

this isn't an excuse to go out and sin like crazy, but it allows you not to live in shame constantly. u sin, feel bad about it, ask for forgiveness, and move on. the bottom line is that the sabbath these days is really up to a lot on interpretation and debate. i think as long as we worship god once a week, he's cool with it.