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Topic: How?
alex4nder's photo
Thu 12/13/07 11:32 AM
My stance can always be moved with the right amount of evidence. My stance on religion, however, will never support a peoples who believe in something they ultimately know nothing about.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 11:35 AM
those are all opinions however? check out my "Evidence" Topic. id like to see your thoughts on such

feralcatlady's photo
Thu 12/13/07 05:36 PM

I choose not to believe in religion because I choose not to pretend to know something that I don't. I'm not arrogant enough to pretend that I do. Christians, muslims, jews ect. say that yea, there is a higher power; but they then add a why when and how to an untold plot. Religions put too much faith in to a source that is written by man, which is inherently fallible. Sure, what we know about science proves that there is something "higher"; but we cant give it a name or story. History pretty much proves the existance of Jesus, but it takes human mentality to make a legend of him. He was a prophit of good will and equality. People added the "immortal" and "supernatural" acteristics that people souly believe in today. Look into the history of religion, it was used as a tool; a way to govern, control, and make profit.
Everyone is entitled to their own.



Yes you are entitled to believe whatever you wish. I think alot of people though don't understand the Bible and sure don't read or study it. For me as I have said on many occasions The Bible is the infallible, inspired, inherent Word of the Living God. I believe each and every word from Genesis to Revelation, cover to cover. It is the owners manual for human beings. I don't think at least for myself that God would allow just a book of man be around for 2000+ years if it was not inspired of Him. And if you know or study the bible Jesus was a God not a prophet. Isaiah was a prophet, Daniel was a prophet....As you are entitled to believe as you wish so am I.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Thu 12/13/07 09:05 PM
2000+ years i agree, must be some validity there =)

alex4nder's photo
Fri 12/14/07 07:00 PM
Only man can make a mortal a god, through legend. Prove the bible was around for 2000 + years without being edited or altered.

Eljay's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:44 PM

My stance can always be moved with the right amount of evidence. My stance on religion, however, will never support a peoples who believe in something they ultimately know nothing about.


Alex;

Just as a point of reference to determine the sincerity of your OP and the validity of your conclusions - Have you read the bible? More specifically - the New Testament? Just curious, before I respond to your OP.

wouldee's photo
Fri 12/14/07 09:51 PM
Edited by wouldee on Fri 12/14/07 09:52 PM

Only man can make a mortal a god, through legend. Prove the bible was around for 2000 + years without being edited or altered.





The Codex Sinaiticus was written in 330 AD.

Read that if you like.

Some of the Dead Sea scrolls are older.

Learn Hebrew and read those, some of them at least.

Start there and then read an English version or two.

Have fun, you may have enough time in your life to master the languages....or just trust that some translations aren't much different, except for the words that will not translate well.


Like Spanish, for instance.

You can't say "just do it" but you can say "solo aslo".


no wut I meen?:wink:

alex4nder's photo
Fri 12/14/07 10:08 PM


Only man can make a mortal a god, through legend. Prove the bible was around for 2000 + years without being edited or altered.





The Codex Sinaiticus was written in 330 AD.

Read that if you like.

Some of the Dead Sea scrolls are older.

Learn Hebrew and read those, some of them at least.

Start there and then read an English version or two.

Have fun, you may have enough time in your life to master the languages....or just trust that some translations aren't much different, except for the words that will not translate well.


Like Spanish, for instance.

You can't say "just do it" but you can say "solo aslo".


no wut I meen?:wink:

I thought they "proved" that the sea scrolls had no connection. And yes, I went to catholic school for 12 years.. I have read the bible.

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Sun 12/16/07 06:38 AM

I thought they "proved" that the sea scrolls had no connection. And yes, I went to catholic school for 12 years.. I have read the bible.


Alright then - you have read the bible. Now then - let us consider what you have retained. In your understanding of the God of the bible, is He not Omnipresent, omniscient, and eternal? Since the bible claims this of God - how is it possible that the book which is representative of His word is considered "written by men and therefore not infallible". The God to which you seem to be refering does not have the power to have assured that His word be written EXACTLY how He wanted it.
Not much of a God you "don't believe in". Because - that God, who would allow man to corrupt His word - doesn't exist. So perhaps you'd like to rethink your original post and reconsider the God of the bible, or maybe this time read it for some understanding.

Jess642's photo
Sun 12/16/07 06:49 AM
huh Is this another my god is bigger than your non god thread?

Alex...for a man, who has only resided in that body for 18 years, KUDOS!

You get to be you, and you get to discuss whatever topic you choose....


And no tithing required! No sacraments, no mass, no translators, of your mind...just you.

Have to love these free sites.bigsmile

Eljay's photo
Sun 12/16/07 06:56 AM
Edited by Eljay on Sun 12/16/07 06:57 AM

huh Is this another my god is bigger than your non god thread?



As far as the logic of the OP is concerned - Yup. So ask him.

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Sun 12/16/07 07:33 AM
indeed, i think for someone who has STRONG belifes is to not believe in such a God, might be acting out of emotion inside of whats real. Seems we get mad somtimes and post hate threads to people on here because we are hurt, i notice this alot in Youth around my age. Anyone here of the song "Theres a thin line between love and hate"?

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Sun 12/16/07 07:36 AM
As well i think its very close minded of people to ask for "proof" as well as evidence when it comes to terms of having faith. Seems like a 'cop out' and It shows me that people have the lack of being open enough to experience new things and trying new ideas, theyre very status-quo. Why not try "faith" not even in a Religious sence, but in general? Really allows you to not be so critical of others, wouldnt you agree JSH?

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