I'm not. Joking if the visit me
We're going have the party
Only one rule no probing

wish ya luck Jaden
sounds like a killer party though

I know why they don't make
Contact with us 1 we're a violent
Society 2 we are afraid of what
Don't understand 3 last but least
We are totally nuts

one of the many ways you an i differ
i wont use new video as evidence
to easy to fake , to easy to make , to easy to use a drone to make something happen

now before computer editing i might go for a video but , thinking of the foo fighters in WW2 i have seen some videos on those, the ones i seen i was told where told where never released to the public , not really a lot to see , just old gov grainy (well they where back then) of something very bright dancing all over the place and both sides, thought it was the others
, some have called it ball lighting
<shrug>
but as i have never heard of that much ball lighting being in one place at one time ... i have no idea

any who, what seams to change peoples out looks the most is some thing sighted in real life

i had one even as laughable as it is
was young out on a camping trip with friends and me father
i seen some type of craft draw a giant Z in the sky ... ya couldn't see what was making it , was to far away ,you could see something there , but was way to far away , but it left a giant Z in the air it was all white (smoke maybe i have no idea)
it was fast and the angles of the Z would kill any one inside from the speed and G forces
me father had a friend that worked and flew air plains and she even said that "there was now way that was one of are's, and that i was right the G force would kill any one on those turns"

kinda reminded me of the pillar of smoke the wise men followed but it never turned to a pillar of fire at night (that's cause i am a dumb man not a wise man lol)
<shrug>
now do i claim that as a sighting , to me , not really , cause i never really seen the object , but it was enough to peek me mind in to it , and just one of the many odd things i have had happen in my life
could have just been a failed booster rocket for all i know on a project that was never mentioned

but as far as me changing your mind on things
all i was doing was posting a video to have conversation about it and on them
maybe touch with some people that have some info or insight that i have not run across
<shrug>
i would never try to change your opinion or anyone elses on it , that would be a very hard task if not impossible, to change someones closed mind that is made up to see things different ... that is a task i am not up to, nor, do i care to take on

old joke " i do wonder if fish once dragged to the surface and released tell there fish friends about being abducted, pulled out of there world and in to a new one that they could not breath (from water to air) and set free"
would they believe them
<shrug>

now with all that being said ,are they all real , no, some are attention grabbers , some are false id ,but there are many that they have, that can not be explained that have reliable witnesses(reliable enough to be used in a court of law ,for anything, yet not for u.f.o.)
<scratches head>

but when the main investigator turned from a hard core non believer in to a believer and he was in it deep, a lot deeper then my security covers

does make me wonder : )

then ya find out they never stopped investigating sightings and what not
that kinda tossed fuel on the fire

for me , its more the hope of a civilization could grow that big with out taken themselves out like us humans seam to be doing over all this stupid stuff like greed , color , etc etc etc <shrug>

i still wonder if that's what the big bang was , 2 beings thinking that they where better then the other with bigger bombs then we can even think about (forget the death star that is a small toy), and then take them selfs out (was an off thought about nukes, usa and rushia we could do that now , but just not as big of a bang)but truth be told , i never really checked out the big bang , was just an odd thought

but any who keep in mind we can only see a very very small part of space
http://www.quora.com/How-much-of-the-universe-has-been-explored-by-man
Well, there are billions of galaxies and we barely understand 1% of our solar system, let alone our own galaxy, so something like 0.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.1% would be the upper end of what we have explored.

The problem is that most people
Are closed don't want to open
There minds and think for themselves
If the did they would realize that
Nothing is impossible

There is no way this human race knows much of any reality.
Less than 1,000 years accumulative empirical understanding.

Granted, I firmly believe alien races from other star systems on other worlds must exist in the Universe as humans understand it.
Granted, there are things we witness on this planet that we cannot explain.
But...Knowing the vast distances involved, the specific requirements for life to exist on this specific planet in this star system under our conditions I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that any of those alien life form would be here at this time.

Yes there are accountings of phenomenon that happens that we do not currently understand and therefore are unable to explain.
But, that is not evidence of a visitation fro an alien life that originates beyond our solar system.

Its the variables that make no sense.
See, if it originated someplace beyond our planet it would have no commonalities with anything common to this planet. It would be Truly Alien.
On the accountings of alien encounters it never fails to amuse me that aliens, who have absolutely nothing in common with us, would have mannerisms that mimic our values.

Its like Star Trek.
Star trek touts transporter technology.
The technology allows food to be replicated, people to teleport from on place to another.
Yet...They still have doors?
If you can teleport anywhere at will, why do you need a door, a hallway or a lift tube?
Alien and UFO encounters are like that to me.
Doesn't make sense.

Then you have videos on youtube, shows on TV Discovery Channel or NGC that supposedly ask the important questions but that is all they ever do, ask questions.
Ask questions and get you all worked up about the unknown but answer absolutely NOTHING.
So you are left to your own imagination on things that have absolutely no significance to what is important in your actual life.
Plus, most of those shows touting experts are scripted and doctored out of context.

Machu Kaku is one of those 'faces' that tries to get you excited by spouting a bunch of crap that sparks your fears.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson is one of those faces that makes you think but plants his own ideas in your subconscious.
Of the two, I would rather listen to NDT than MK because at least Tyson has humor.
But, all of them are full of it.
None of them actually know the answers.
Youtube videos are worse yet.
They are videos put together by nobody's to get hits and likes.

If an alien craft were detected it would be world changing news.
If you think it has been suppressed for any reason you are under the delusion of conspiracy. Seriously, it would be seriously big news. I doubt any agency could contain it.


Impossible? Not sure?
Improbable, certainly.
Its not about opening the mind.
My open mind has quite a vivid imagination.
However, people do have the capacity for reasonable intelligent restraint.
Any reasonably intelligent person with the ability to have deductive reasoning and the capacity to understand fantasy from reality has no delusions of aliens, ghosts or any other delusional fantasy.

Reality doesn't give a damn if you have an open mind or not.

how did that go
we all look at the world through shaded glasses

to each there own
<shrug>

there are many different reasons why people dont explore rather then go by what they are told

sadly a lot of it is fear based , granted that is how the hhmm think it was cia came up with that shame tactic (tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist)

but once ya take a dive in and see all the info all over the place about it

prob i have is there is so much disinformation on the net

way to many impressive fake stuff
<face palm>

but i guess in a way it was good , made me dig even farther in to it

fact is weirder then fiction

and for some reason the mowing devil popped in to the empty spots between me ears , no idea, that has to do with the plague times but does have tie ins with ufo's

it is funny the way the mind dont work lol : )

If people would listen they would
Here that even main stream scientists say there is life on
Other planets they just haven't
Found it

its to far , i love that : )
well lets just pop back 300 years , guess what , its to far to fly around the world in a day
so that is your idea that they couldn't get here

yeah man and if ya go faster then the speed of sound you will explode

that's old thinking

as far as star trek , yes i found it laughable as well , but that was a tv show made many years ago by humans , so i am kinda haven a problem of how you are using that to show that ufo's are not real

wow man the tv show was fake so ufo's are too

you say there is nothing to physically touch
research alien implants
now if ya get lucky you will find a great man , that sadly is no longer with us
he has a great story about how worried they where when there daughter drank them
he did a lot of reserch on them , has all kinds of video on them
about how they where admitting radio signals , how under X ray you could see them move when he would go to cut them out , after taken out they would stop sending radio signals
cant think of his name atm , he was and forgot his main line of business radiation some then or other , was a very well known doctor
Dr. Roger Leir
had to look it up , getting old sucks

and i agree there are a lot of fear factor people out there , its what sells

as well as a lot of fakes
but to point them out as a reason they are not real
again ya lost me on that one

as far as news it would be all over the world
again please research , i can list many right of the top of my head that have been on tv and or net news shows

so again ya lost me on that one

Yeah, the mind is still a big mystery.

I understand what yer saying.
There is mountains of accountings.
Lots of circumstantial evidence but there is a serious lack of actual evidence.

The other night, before bed, I was considering the WOW signal.
The WOW signal was the spike in SETI's side that lost support for the program.

But, lets consider the WOW signal for a second.

You get a limited duration signal from a distant source.
You try to find it again after a time and you can't.

Here's what I think happened.

An alien civilization is sending out a signal.
Its a sweeping arc across their sky.
The sweeping arc intersected with Earth at just the moment we had listening devices pointing in that direction.
But wait, there's more.

The star we detected as the source came from a specific spot in space.
But, that star is actually not at that spot in space.
It moved since the light from it left till its light reached Earth.
So we see it at one spot but it is actually in another spot.
Then you have the possibility that the transmission came from a civilization more advanced than us and can transmit faster than light.
The spot where that star was when we see it might be a void that the transmission came in on that specific arc.
Then if the star is not where we see it, can we actually predict the movement of that star based on only the information we know about it.
Since the star was not significant till we got the WOW signal, we probably have no tracking information on its motion in the sky.
It could be anywhere right now.
Plus we have no idea if there is anything we can't detect between that star's current position and what we see.
Plus since we can only send at light speed, if the source signal is distant, it could be years, decades, centuries or millennium before our reply reaches them if they are still where we aimed the transmission.

So,
1. The WOW signal was a sweeping arc which we intercepted.
2. The WOW signal source is not what we think.
3. The WOW signal source has moved to a region of space we can not detect because something is in the way.
4. The WOW signal source originated thousands of years ago and the ones that sent it are no longer there or looking.
5. We are no longer aligned with the arc of the WOW signal.

Kinda like a DirecTV dish that is out of alignment.
The signal is there but its not aligned with us.

I'm an alien.
I can travel vast distances at faster than light speeds.
I see Earth.
I wanna go there.
I pack my toothbrush and set sail.
I arrive at Earth and a few hundred thousand years or a few hundred million years has elapsed since I left.
Its all different.
I study it from a distant orbit.
I capture the radio transmissions.
I see and hear everything being broadcast electronically.
I learn their languages and custom.
I understand them.
I decide to go there and take some samples...why?
Why do I need samples?
I decide to go take some people...why?
Why do I need their people?

I consider landing and just saying hello.
But I also know there is a lot of broadcasts that tells me they are full of fear and I don't want to frighten them.
I decide to co covertly.
Don't you think that an advanced species able to make FTL travel over seriously vast distances can't bypass human detection? Why?

UFO stands for UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object.
If I throw my poop in the air and someone doesn't know what it is, its a UFO.

Then you have the so-called secret witnesses that come out of secrecy after a career in the military and reveal all the dirty secrets about UFO cover-ups.
Oh well, it must be true if they are willing to break an NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement). Yeah, okay, I'll buy that for a dollar.
Then you have those secret videos that are smuggled out of the secure archives. Yeah, that always makes me laugh.
Not to stress the fact that none of the videos ever show anything significant. Out of focus, streaked, shaky cam. Really?

I have no issue with anyone that wants to believe in their religion.
I mean, if it gives you peace, go for it.
I have no issue with anyone that wants to believe in UFOs, Aliens, Ghosts, Demon Possession or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. If it gives you peace, go for it.

Problem is, people seem to fail to give me the same grace?
People are convinced I am close minded, mislead, oblivious.
I find comfort in reality.
I am not afraid of reality.
It gives me peace so I go for it.
These are always nothing more than my views.
Its how I see the reality before me.
I hold no animosity for anyone that doesn't understand reality as I.
If y'all wanna believe in delusions that is your own prerogative.

We're good just see things different is all.

most people are leaning that way since its not so taboo to talk about
wasnt that long ago it would have gave ya a padded cell or worse yet, burned at the stake for talking about it

i think one of the problems with them looking for it , is they are only looking for planets like ares

wasn't that long ago even the pope was talking about welcoming there star brothers and sisters, they want to teach them the ways of god

<shrug>
i still find it funny when people tell me its a new thing and only started in uhm think it was 1947 when the dude coined it flying saucers
but that is wrong
its from Mr. John Martin in 1879

they are kinda right , the name caught on then, but it goes way back in time back to the gods

forgot think it was india , they have a god that fought another god on this planet , he had a bow that could shoot and arrow that would have fire under it and he could control it to hit any where in the world he wanted

or some then like that been a while since i researched it... we would call that a self guided missile or ground to air missile

so many of the religions talk of the god or gods descending from the sky
a few talk about what they seen along the way , ie info they shouldnt know

well i thought it would be more of an exploration
something like we would do
oh look that planet has life forms

what would we do
well lets see what we do here just as an example
we would study them , maybe even kid nap some to dissect (ya know those people that love to cut stuff open to see how it ticks )

i never put to much in to the wow signal , that could have been anything , it was never found out where it came from (if i remember right , sadly i didn't do any research in to that)

you said
UFO stands for UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object.
If I throw my poop in the air and someone doesn't know what it is, its a UFO.

i am not even sure what to say about that
makes about as much seance as you asking me if ghosts pee

yes i guess it would be , but i have no idea what that has to do with it...
i dont think your bowl movements are big enough for people to get in and fly around

idk , maybe they are , and that is why ya brought it up

This makes me think of Clark's Third Law.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
If an alien did interact with Earthlings, it would seem to have Godlike powers.

A flaming arrow might be a missle?
A flaming chariot might be a spacecraft or a jet.

The keywords are "might be".

Could ancient people have encountred alien life, Maybe?
Might they have documented it? Possibly.
Could one capture actually reveal an alien craft, okay?
The problem isn't the imagiation but the serious lack of actual evidence.
Nothing is Ever left behind.
Nothing is actually captured that can be studied.
Oh, there are accountings of evidence being hidden from the public but no evidence is ever produced for examination.

Screw the videos.
Screw the personal accountings.
Give me something I can test and declare as alien in origin.
Sneak a widget out of the facility when you retire.
Keep the videos to yourself.
Grab something real that can be examined, tested and retested.

One last thing, who says aliens can even understand the concept of God?
Who says aliens understand any human concept?
Why?

I'll bet when aliens fly past Earth,
they lock their doors.

lmao : )
love it

Nothing is Ever left behind.

thats not correct
there is lots of stuff out there

i even talked about some stuff left behind in this forum post on previous statement's

the pink medical residue on Betty Hills PJ's that science still cant figure out what it is (it was used in one of her surgery's if i remember right but its been yeas since i looked that up)

people being abducted and wake up back home in someone elses cloths
(yes it has happened, and no they where not drunk on drugs or anything like that)

the implants that Dr Leir removed (as i said before)
that was an interesting watch , worth a watch if ya haven't seen and can take watching surgery ...

that's just 3 off the top of my head and i just woke up so i could give you many many more , so sure , there is nothing out there

i could go on , but what would be the point

you are jumping to assumption with out doing the proper research

so yes , i can see how you have come to your conclusions
cause i went to the beach , didnt see no fish , so there forth , there are no fish in the sea , cant be after all cause you cant breath underwater and there forth there are no fish, because you see you cant breath under water , so they cant breath under water .... you cant make it to the bottom of the very depts of the sea so there forth fish can not

can i come watch you tell a fisher man this ?
i think it might be even worth recording


you left a lot out of that , and arrow that he could direct to hit any where in the world , and when he would draw back and fire it , it would take off with flames and thunder below it, and it would take off in to the sky ... i dont remember the exzact thing its been years
you can look it up , they have flying crafts called Vimanas they even have drawings of them
so a little different from just a flaming arrow
sort of like 4 tires make a car .... well it does but yeah left out a lot of stuff


could be , you have to put yourself in there shoes
a chariot was a vehicle
now as i have never seen a chariot have fire below it and take off in to the sky's nor am i that old to have been there to see it

<shrug>



no idea that was the pope offering to teach them , i am not a religious man and don't get me started on religions ... maybe ask the pope


i have no idea , who ?
i have never heard of them understanding any human concept but then again never put any thought in to it
but again you are asking the wrong person
i am not alien , i have just done a lot of research in it
runs along the same lines as you asking me if ghosts pee
how would i know , i am not a ghost and me ghost hunts when i was younger , i never thought to ask them if they pee
<face palm>



why what ?

You here stories about people
Getting abducted bye grey
Aliens from ky that's b's I live
Here if those little greys tried
That most people would shoot
First and we would have all the
Evadence you need

All of the so-called evidence is third party and only available after it made public information.

I have no problem believing that life exists elsewhere in the galaxy or the Universe.
I have a problem understanding what in tarnatio makes Earth so interesting to aliens that obviously have the ability and knowledge to travel such vast distances to get here.
Plus, given the Drake Equation, what makes our small planet so interesting?

Consider humans traveling the stars.
We amass enough understanding of reality to make those long distance trips.
We study as we go.
We find common things as we move along the spiral arm.
We establish a knowledge base.
We know which types of stars harbor life supporting planets in a short while.
We know the type of life a certain planet's physical nature yields.
We know, civilization only occurs in systems a certain age under certain conditions. We look for them.
Once we start finding them, they are pretty common.
After awhile, so common there is no point in studying further sources, especial the unstable ones.
Thus, curiosity is not a likely motivator.
Not because the aliens have no curiosity, but because by the time they actually get HERE, their curiosity has been satiated.
The idea of a resources hunt is silly.
All the resources available on this planet are available in higher quantities and better quality than here.

Then, for any consideration you might entertain as to why they would be here, there is also the unknown factor that they are alien and do not have the values, morals or incentives people do. They are alien!
Their civilization, if it even is what we might class as a civilization, evolved very differently than ours for billions of different reasons.

Why would an alien craft need lights?
Why would aliens need lights at all?
We don't need lights.
Subs don't have headlights as they navigate the oceans.
Lights are only important when your vision is restricted to our specific optical abilities.
We have animals on this very planet that can see into spectrums we can't detect with our eyes.
So, why do UFOs have lights?

Can anyone tell what are the
Kids with solid black eyes
Are they demonic

What kids with solid black eyes?
Have you ever met a kid or anyone with solid black eyes?
I haven't?
Are you getting your information from first-hand experience or are you relying on someone else's story?
If you have, great...were they demonic?
Did you ask them?
Did you sit and talk with them?
My first question would be, Do you know your eyes are solid black and does light hurt your brain?

Demons only exist for people that fear demons.
A crucifix is only protection for people that believe they need protection.
If you faith in the power of your God is so fragile, what does that say about your faith.
If an alien is real, you will certainly know it and you won't need someone to explain it to you.
A UFO is a flying object that is unidentified.
Once it is identified, by anyone, it is no longer a UFO.
While I won't say that there are no unidentified objects, I will stress that every object can be identified eventually.
The moment YOU claim that flying object is alien, YOU have identified it and it no longer can be a UFO. When someone else doesn't see the same thing, was it actually a UFO or a MISidentified flying object?
How can YOU be sure?

A diamond is only a diamond because people agree it is a diamond.
Its really, just a rock.