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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 11:49 AM
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 01/30/19 11:55 AM
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. lol ... like that phrase , huh? providing data is not so much of a "soap box" as providing mere opinions. It was once illegal for a slave to run away too .. nothing to do with the value of human life or how humans should be treated. other things that were once illegal: (should they have been bountied for round up or death as well?) producing and selling alcohol interracial marriage using birth control playing pinball public profanity describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ... |
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It was once illegal for a slave to run away too
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 11:53 AM
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Were you a union worker by chance? |
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Were you a union worker by chance? no. I was not. |
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 12:02 PM
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describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ...
Freedoms and liberties are taken away from those taking part in illegal activities. |
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. You need to straighten up your context. Immigrants and illegals are not the same. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 01/30/19 12:12 PM
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describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ... Freedoms and liberties are taken away from those taking part in illegal activities. Yes, the 'freedom' to live free from incarceration and persecution, like all those listed above previously. But I doubt any of people in the above groups would ignite the over zealous fervor that the term 'illegal' immigrant does, except maybe slaves, who were also seen with less value because of the definition of documents. |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 12:16 PM
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describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ... Freedoms and liberties are taken away from those taking part in illegal activities. Yes, the 'freedom' to live free from incarceration and persecution, like all those listed above previously. But I doubt any of people in the above groups would ignite the over zealous fervor that the term 'illegal' immigrant does. The simple fact of living here beyond legality whether through lapse of work visa or what ever is illegal. I didn't own any slaves and generations of my earlier family didn't either, that term is aging quickly! Burn that soap box sister it's long dead. |
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describing people based on involvement in something illegal isnt verification of lesser character or value of life ... Freedoms and liberties are taken away from those taking part in illegal activities. Yes, the 'freedom' to live free from incarceration and persecution, like all those listed above previously. But I doubt any of people in the above groups would ignite the over zealous fervor that the term 'illegal' immigrant does. The simple fact of living here beyond legality whether through lapse of work visa or what ever is illegal. I didn't own any slaves and generations of my earlier family didn't either, that term is aging quickly! Burn that soap box sister it's long dead. this soap box thing is too much ....lol anyway ... I guess I could go all elementary school now and say Im not your sister? but we are grown ups here so lets try to speak like grown ups. I am aware you did not own slaves. I am also aware that mere documentation also caused people to see them as inferior and dangerous people that should be 'rounded up' and some even believed death was appropriate for such a breech as trying to be free when it was illegal. I am making a comparison, and therefore using an example that would be widely recognizable to the average reader. |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 12:33 PM
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"I am also aware that mere documentation also caused people to see them as inferior and dangerous people that should be 'rounded up' and some even believed death was appropriate for such a breech as trying to be free when it was illegal. "
That would be your projected perception, not mine. Your belittling terminology might fly in a school yard, I think it's time you grew up a little at least. |
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"I am also aware that mere documentation also caused people to see them as inferior and dangerous people that should be 'rounded up' and some even believed death was appropriate for such a breech as trying to be free when it was illegal. " That would be your projected perception, not mine. Your belittling terminology might fly in a school yard, I think it's time you grew up a little at least. what terminology was 'belittling'? I am very grown and trying to have a civil discussion. |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 12:47 PM
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"I am also aware that mere documentation also caused people to see them as inferior and dangerous people that should be 'rounded up' and some even believed death was appropriate for such a breech as trying to be free when it was illegal. " That would be your projected perception, not mine. Your belittling terminology might fly in a school yard, I think it's time you grew up a little at least. what terminology was 'belittling'? I am very grown and trying to have a civil discussion. Conduct yourself accordingly than. Edit: You started the school yard talk |
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. You need to straighten up your context. Immigrants and illegals are not the same. |
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. You need to straighten up your context. Immigrants and illegals are not the same. Damn it! It looks as though I read you out of context and blamed you! LOL! I'm very much against rewarding illegals with work visas or even letting them back into the country on work visas after being caught here illegally. We all should pay our dues. My ex was an immigrant and we played it to the letter. |
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An Eisenhower wouldn't be out of the question IMHO. The system is being bled dry by people not paying into it. Increased incomes would help that problem, but it is easier to scapegoat those who dont have as much to pay .... Toss the soap box, illegals aren't paying into the system but manage to collect from it. well, firstly children dont pay taxes, regardless of immigration status, so that's irrelevant second, of those which are of WORKING age, Out of the nearly 11.1 million undocumented immigrants estimated to be living in the U.S., Pew Research projected that there were about 8 million in the workforce in 2014. Nearly half, or 3.4 million, of those workers paid Social Security taxes, according to 2014 estimates from the Social Security administration. And while the agency doesn't have a figure for how much this group paid in taxes that year, it said that unauthorized immigrant workers and their employers contributed $13 billion in payroll taxes in 2010, its most current estimate. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/economy/undocumented-immigrant-taxes/index.html so the argument that they all need to go because they are leeching off the system and dont pay in is also nonsense .... Undocumented = illegal. Get off your soap box you're fighting a losing battle just as so many American citizens are to the lower wages illegals are willing to work for feeding the canted laws for those with the wealth. This reciprocates to the political level being money driven as well. You need to straighten up your context. Immigrants and illegals are not the same. Damn it! It looks as though I read you out of context and blamed you! LOL! I'm very much against rewarding illegals with work visas or even letting them back into the country on work visas after being caught here illegally. We all should pay our dues. My ex was an immigrant and we played it to the letter. |
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First report I've seen on today's meeting:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/30/no-deal-border-security-talks-2594735 |
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Edited by
Wylie
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Wed 01/30/19 02:45 PM
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"You remove 8+ million people from an already under supplied worker pool, you will put us back into a recession"
I'm afraid not, if all is done above board we lose no work force and illuminate the illegals bleeding the system. "A penalty, yes; back taxes, yes; time limits, yes; but removing them, not feasible. That issue won't happen again with improved border security and an abundant supply of legal visa workers." I don't agree, these people are on a time limited visa in the first place that they know of, as well as their employers. Penalize the employer for the lapsed visas and ship the illegals out, the best taught lessons are not always the easiest learned. "There will be no jobs available for illegals." As long as employers are willing to take the chances they do and have for decades there will be work for the illegals. I grew up in SoCal, immigration would pick up an illegal that worked as a meat cutter who was working with my friends father and the illegal would be back in time for work the next day. This is far from the only case I know of first hand and I'm only one person. |
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