Topic: Jc son of Yahweh or imposter?
Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 12/07/07 01:48 PM
John 5:37-43

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

41 I receive not honour from men.

42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.


KJV
John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV
Miles

MrBuccio's photo
Fri 12/07/07 02:09 PM
Jesus Christ is the son of the Almighty Yahweh (Jehovah) God.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Fri 12/07/07 02:26 PM

Jesus Christ is the son of the Almighty Yahweh (Jehovah) God.


I agree. and to the topic starter, dont try to confuse things with by quoting to different translations... after all Man translations are rather confusing

wouldee's photo
Fri 12/07/07 03:30 PM
Edited by wouldee on Fri 12/07/07 04:19 PM
Jesus Christ = JHWJ

JHWH (3068..Strong's Concordance) Yehovah; from 1961; (the)self-Existent or Eternal ; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. comp. 3050, 3069

3050. Yahh, yaw; contr. for 3068, and mean. the same; Jah, the sacred name,: -Jah, the Lord, most vehement. Cp. names in "-iah." "-jah."


Root 1961.hayah, haw-yaw'; a prim. root[comp. 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary) : - beacon, X altogether, be(-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, _+follow, happen, Xhave, last pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.


Root 1933. havah, haw-vaw' ; a prim. root[comp, 183, 1961] supposed to mean prop. to breathe; to be (in the sense of existence): -be, X have.

Root 183, avah, aw-vaw'; a prim. root; to wish for: -covet, (greatlt) desire, be desirous,long, lust(after).



The sense, being, of coming to pass in manifestation.




Whereas, the phrase, "the LORD God" uses the term (3068)+(430...elohiym...a plurality.) to pronounce particular distinction in scripture,most noticeably in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 at the earliest.

430. elohiym, el-o-heem'; plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the pluraal thus, esp. with the art.) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: -angels, X exceeding, God,(gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Root 433. eloah, el'-o-ah; prob. prol. (emphatic) from 410; a diety or the Diety: -God, god. see 430




Root 410. el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty(but used also of any diety): -God(god), X goodly, X great, idol, mighty (-y one), power, strong. comp. names in "el."


The distinction is evident of being from a singular source but not the source itself, implying it's existence is incumbent upon another existent entity or identity.



Now, we see in Exodus 3:14.(1961) is used as "am".(an emphatic distinction)

Exodus 3:14.

And God(430..elohiym...a plurality) said unto Moses, I AM(1961) THAT(834) I AM(1961) : and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

THAT-(834)asher, ash-er'; a prim. rel. pron.(of every gender and number); who, which, what,that; As it is indeclinable, it is often accompanied by the personal pronoun explitively, used to show the connection.

This is regarded to mean "the Father."




Now notice what is said in the next verse.

Exodus3:15. And God(430) said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God(3068+430) of Abraham, The God(430) of Isaac, and the God(430) of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
[note that the Son(JHWH) only spoke to Abraham in this passage.]



Now, this must be grasped. The God(as a definite order within430) of your people has sent me to tell you this.


This is a message sent by a specific plurality of God to the people to signify the singularity of one particular plural derivative of God, being expressed concretely as JHWH(3068 only)


This is the most significant distinction between the Father and the Son.


If this is not recognizable, your understanding is unfruitful.



It is what it is.





The Father (1961) speaks through the Son(3065+430exclusively) to man and Creation itself. Only through the Son.


As opposed to Satan who spoke to Eve in the Garden of Eden without being the Son( who speaks for the Father). Get that?

Can there be any God other than the Son to speak truth? No. Hence, the distinction in scripture that the Holy Spirit testifies of the Son(John 15:26.).

BillingsDreamer's photo
Fri 12/07/07 05:29 PM
Jesus was not the Son of God until He was born on the Earth.

Before that He was YHWH, David's lord, and the Word.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Christ is God's first born son.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Art