Topic: Easter, Holy day or Pagan Tradition?
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Sat 12/08/07 03:20 PM

just because the original meaning behind easter is pagan, doesn't mean that christians worship anything besides christ on easter. i use the day to remember his sacrifice for me and his resurrection. the only thing in common with the pagan tradition is the day is happens on, and the name. other than that i am just remembering what christ did for me on that day. i don't think any practicing christians would claim they are worshipping anything else on easter, so i don't think they can be faulted for it.


It propagates a lie. I remember reading a book about kids when I was in charge of youth activities once. The author described a sunday school class in which the teacher asked the kids to draw Jesus on the cross. One young boy drew a picture of bugs bunny on the cross.

You think all is not damaging? Of course it is. Think about Christmas. We teach the children about Jesus, We mix him us with Santa and then they find out santa is not true, and today millions of people think that Christ doesn't exist eaither. Don't you understand why God is so agaist mixing His truth with such error.

In the minds of millions Jesus Christ is no different than Santa and the easter bunny. He is just a mythological figure dreamed up by men.

You want to propagate this? Do you want to continue the lie when Jesus said he would be in the grave three days and nights, and according to the Easter tradition, you can only get 2 nights and one day?

You want to mix truth and error? But what about God's word? He says:

sa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

You are saying that which is evil is ok. You are saying that which is darkness has some light.

It may be sweet to you, but it is bitter to God.

Show me a verse in which God says it is ok to worship Him the way pagans worshiped their god.

But, you don't have to. I see that you have made your decision that it is ok to mix these things. I know it is not motivated by scripture. I know it is not from the spirit of God. He does not want us to mix these things.

So, in that context, you have always been very sincere and honest in your posts. What is actually and truly motivating you to make this deciion?

Art

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Sat 12/08/07 03:31 PM
Thanks Art.

Shalom and Blessings to you. I understand now. I can be thick headed. Glad we agree. Thier are many teachers out in the world who have come up with all kinds of stuff about the passover to make them distinct from everyone else. Trying to draw the elect away. This is the most contraversial subject amoung Yahwists. It is sad. To me Yahweh says this so this is what it means. Shalom...Miles

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Wed 04/22/09 08:17 PM
Great post to read even if Easter is over. laugh

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Thu 04/23/09 12:55 AM
Dreamer you are a valuable resource and a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work.

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Thu 04/23/09 02:47 AM

If Easter was a Christian Holy day, wouldn't it fall on the same day every year? Hence because it is a PAGAN HOLY DAY, it changes with the Wheel of the year and the Esbats. Let's not even start with X-mas either.


Yes I think you are right. Dreamer's information also appears valid. Easter and Yule are examples of Christian "absorption" that occurred historically. The feeling was we cant kill all these people so lets just keep their sacred groves so to speak and gradually ease the Jesus on them. You can clearly see the pagan influence on the Catholic church. Who is the Virgin Mother but a Goddess in disguise? huh

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Thu 04/23/09 03:14 AM
Pagan

The one instance of Easter is a mis translation of Paschal or Passover,

comes from Ishtar a fertility goddess, had orgies and all kinds of stuff, eggs represent fertility and bunnies, quick like a bunny, if you know what I mean.

I think it came near passover and was an attempt to get more people into church, wether with good intentions or just to fill the coffers I don't know.

We should observe Passover and not Easter as a holy day

Easter sunrise service, there was worship of the sun by some pagan beliefs as well

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Thu 04/23/09 03:23 AM


dreamer, i am a christian and even if easter falls on a pagan holiday, i still worship christ on that day, not any other god or goddess, so i dont break any commandments by doing that. just because it's the same day does not make it the same THING.


I know that you are not worshiping Easter in your mind. However, there are other minds besides yours. For example, I think in the devils mind, he thinks that he has got you to worship her while in your mind you are worshiping Christ.

But, lets play it your way. You are not worshiping Easter, you are worshiping Christ using her day, her name and her symbols. Does Jesus approve. Here is what He said to Israel.

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.

So, Christ does not want us worshiping Him using any part of the way that the pagans used to worship their gods. Its wrong. In fact when Israel made the golden calf, they did not do it to worship the calf. They made that feast to worship God. the Almighty say it was a great sin!

This is exactly what you are doing. you are worshiping Christ using the day, the name and symbols of Easter, the goddess of fertility.

In that context, please realize that Easter does not fall on a pagan holiday. Easter is a pagan holiday.

Easter is the actual literal name of the goddess of fertility.
In other languages and cultures she was called Ishtar, Ashtoreth, and Istarte.

You do break the first commandment by observing this day. Nothing about it is Christian. Nothing. You cannot find one single thing about it that is Christian or is in the scriptures. There is actually one verse regarding Easter in which God punishes Israel for worshiping her (Ikings 11:33).

The name is pagan. The day is pagan. The symbols are pagan and the entire doctrine of it is unscriptural.

Consider that Jesus did not rise in the morning, He was already gone when it was still dark.

Paul tells us to keep the day He observe which was the Passover and not Easter. As I cor 11 shows it was an evening celebration, not morning.

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Are we keeping the Passover this way like Jesus said? Or are we keeping Easter and thinking it is ok because I love Jesus?

Jesus said he would only give one proof he was the messiah. That proof was that he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Count them in the Friday crucifixion scenario. There is only 2 nights and one day. Its lies my friend. Do you want to be a part of lies?

I'll post a thread on the three days and three nights if you ask me to, but for now, I tell you that before God it is all lies, every bit. You can worship Jesus every day of the week, but when you celebrate Christ on her, Easter's holiday, when you worship Christ the way that Easter is worshiped, a morning sunrise service, and when you say happy easter, do you really think Christ thinks you are worshiping Him? Really?

Put yourself in His shoes, and consider an analogy. What if your girl friend who you intended to marry told you that she wanted to celebrate her love for you. Then she picks a day to do this, and it just so happens to be the birthday of her old boy friend. Then, she makes a special dinner for you, but it is the food he liked, and it is the dinner she always made for him on his birthday. Then when you are there eating, she calls you by his name. Ok, who does she really love?

She loves you of course, in her mind she is doing this for you.

Then, finally on another level, Jesus died a terrible death. He was beaten by a professional lictor who knew exactly how for to whip a man until he was almost dead.

His whip had pieces of iron and bone it it. The lash would break the skin, but the pieces of bone would stick in and then when he pulled it back they would rip out the flesh so that he could see his ribs.

Then he went through the agony of crucifixion. He would have to push himself up to breath putting all the pressure on that nail in his feet. Then when the burning throbbing pain was too much he would sink back down and hang on the nails in his hands. This process went on for hours,

Our response? Why we have easter egg coloring. We have easter egg hunts and easter egg rolling contests. We give our kids baskets with easter colors, easter chicks and easter chocolate bunnies and eggs.

Do yu really think any of this honors God?

Art

Put so much better than I did, you are correct too. Good job Billings

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Thu 04/23/09 03:43 AM
Edited by Cymbeline on Thu 04/23/09 04:15 AM
Well Im assuming if you are Christian then you celebrate passover or the aspect that relates to Jesus. Easter would have been the original holiday and sacred pagan observance. If you cant completely eradicate something, the next best solution is to simply absorb and manipulate its meaning. This is why all of the pagan symbolism is so ingrained. The little bunnies, chicks and colorful eggs, flowers and baskets. All symbols of the springtime. Im sure the tradition of painting eggs runs back quite far but I would have to look all that up. I know its common for Catholics to have Easter egg hunts for the kids sponsored by the church. Nowadays its all so intermingled just like with Christmas.

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Fri 04/24/09 04:46 PM
HalleluYAH! Accurate information Dreamer! Now if if we could only get you to stop calling the Heavenly Father Yahweh, g-d, and Yahushua jesus! flowerforyou

All in all great post!

Shalom Brother Miles!

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Fri 04/24/09 05:33 PM
laugh Its NOT a pagan holiday (whatever that is).laugh Its the Passover.flowerforyou

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Fri 04/24/09 05:34 PM
:smile: JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ANCIENT DOES NOT MAKE IT PAGAN:smile:

:smile: THE MODERN DAY NEO-PAGANS DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT:smile:

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Sun 04/26/09 04:46 AM
Well according to what I could gleen from Dreamer's writings,the actual holiday Easter is pagan in origin. That is why it has all of the Pagan symbolism associated with it. But the Passover aspect of it came much later and is essentially the Christian observance. It was a process of "absorption" that took place not unlike Yule/Christmas. In fact that was the exact same situation by all accounts. These earlier Pagan observances of the solstices and Equinoxes would gradually be melded with the essential portions of the Christian religion.

So you take the two, mix them up and poof! You get Jesus on a cross with painted eggs and bunnies and ham supper. bigsmile huh

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Mon 04/27/09 06:57 PM

Well according to what I could gleen from Dreamer's writings,the actual holiday Easter is pagan in origin. That is why it has all of the Pagan symbolism associated with it. But the Passover aspect of it came much later and is essentially the Christian observance. It was a process of "absorption" that took place not unlike Yule/Christmas. In fact that was the exact same situation by all accounts. These earlier Pagan observances of the solstices and Equinoxes would gradually be melded with the essential portions of the Christian religion.

So you take the two, mix them up and poof! You get Jesus on a cross with painted eggs and bunnies and ham supper. bigsmile huh
:smile: Wrong.:smile: All cultures celebrate the changing of the seasons:smile:

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Mon 04/27/09 06:58 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 04/27/09 07:05 PM
laugh The ancient Hebrews celebrated the changing of the seasons(just like everyone else)laugh

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Mon 04/27/09 07:06 PM
happy At the Passover Seder, a hard-boiled egg dipped in salt water symbolizes both new life and the Passover sacrifice offered at the Temple in Jerusalem.happyThe ancient Persians painted eggs for Nowrooz, their New Year celebration falling on the Spring Equinox.happyThis tradition has continued every year on Nowrooz since ancient times.happy

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Wed 04/29/09 10:22 PM

happy At the Passover Seder, a hard-boiled egg dipped in salt water symbolizes both new life and the Passover sacrifice offered at the Temple in Jerusalem.happyThe ancient Persians painted eggs for Nowrooz, their New Year celebration falling on the Spring Equinox.happyThis tradition has continued every year on Nowrooz since ancient times.happy



1 Problem with the Passover Sedar.. It is not biblical and you can not find it anywhere in the scriptures. Yahweh condems the practice.

Peope always want to says the Jews and not ever speak of the other tribes. Thier are 11 more tribes and they , the 12 for now are spoken of in Rev. 7.. each being of 120000.. Equal to each other.

The Jews is a misnommer that completely takes away from understanding what the scriptures are saying.

Yahshua came to do away with these un biblical practices the religious elite were doing to control the peopple.

Now the chr-stian do the same thing which will be done away in the future.

Hebrews 11 says if after confessing Yahshua raised from the dead and is the son of Yahweh. That you spirit in the face of the spirit of grace.

That is Yahshua. He pardoned our sins by his death and it goes on to say that since you rebell and do this and thier is no more sacrafice as Yahshua was the ultimate one.

That you will die in your sins and have to appear at the judgement in Rev 19 when the book are opened. The Book of Life.

Because you turned away and count Yahshua's death as nothing and lie when you say you believe.

It is a very serious matter in the scriptures.

Blessings of Shalom..Miles


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Thu 04/30/09 01:46 AM
Mirror Mirror Im not sure I understand. All of these earlier cultures were pagan at one point and practiced pagan observances of the Solstices and Equinoxes. They did this long before the period of time that Jesus existed. Christianity is about 2000 years old...

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Thu 04/30/09 05:26 AM

Mirror Mirror Im not sure I understand. All of these earlier cultures were pagan at one point and practiced pagan observances of the Solstices and Equinoxes. They did this long before the period of time that Jesus existed. Christianity is about 2000 years old...
:smile: I didn't say anything about Christianity, and what do you consider Pagan?:smile:

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Thu 04/30/09 05:45 AM


Mirror Mirror Im not sure I understand. All of these earlier cultures were pagan at one point and practiced pagan observances of the Solstices and Equinoxes. They did this long before the period of time that Jesus existed. Christianity is about 2000 years old...
:smile: I didn't say anything about Christianity, and what do you consider Pagan?:smile:


I would consider anything not of Judaic/Christian origin to be Pagan. I found this on Wikipedia and I would agree with this definition.

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic") is the blanket term given to describe religions and spiritual practices of pre-Christian Europe, and by extension a term for polytheistic traditions or folk religion worldwide seen from a Western or Christian viewpoint. The term has various different meanings, though, from a Western perspective, it has modern connotations of a faith that has polytheistic, spiritualist, animistic or shamanic practices, such as a folk religion, historical polytheistic or neopagan religion.


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Thu 04/30/09 09:15 AM



Mirror Mirror Im not sure I understand. All of these earlier cultures were pagan at one point and practiced pagan observances of the Solstices and Equinoxes. They did this long before the period of time that Jesus existed. Christianity is about 2000 years old...
:smile: I didn't say anything about Christianity, and what do you consider Pagan?:smile:


I would consider anything not of Judaic/Christian origin to be Pagan. I found this on Wikipedia and I would agree with this definition.

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller, rustic") is the blanket term given to describe religions and spiritual practices of pre-Christian Europe, and by extension a term for polytheistic traditions or folk religion worldwide seen from a Western or Christian viewpoint. The term has various different meanings, though, from a Western perspective, it has modern connotations of a faith that has polytheistic, spiritualist, animistic or shamanic practices, such as a folk religion, historical polytheistic or neopagan religion.


flowerforyou That's a little over encompassing in my (humble) opinion,(but what do I know).laugh But I basically have to agree with that definition of paganism.flowerforyouYet, not all ancient non-Abrahamic religions were paganism.flowerforyouPaganism is rather loosely defined.flowerforyouSome things are obviously pagan yet there are others that seem to be something a little different.flowerforyou