I always appreciated what luther did with the reformation. But now that I found out he hated jews I consider him a hypocrite. He wanted religious toleration. He believed in his own interpritation of the bible. Jesus preached love and peace and what Luther said made me furious. Christianity regardless of denomation is hypocritical. This is what he said about Jews.

Luther wrote that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[1] They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,"[2] and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."[3] He argues that their synagogues and schools should be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[4] afforded no legal protection,[5] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[6] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."[

May I ask where your information is from ?

Nevermind I googled it .

Insane. That's all I have to say about that. Seems that some of the most brilliant minds are completely insane and hypocritical as you put it.

Hitler talked that way.
Sadaam Hussein talked that way.

The speech he gives, that purposes to denegrate and defame a people, set as an example for us to learn from and dear to God,is the kind of speech that very much falls under the auspices of "do unto others, as you would have them do to you."

Now, Luther lived and breathed among the Germanic peoples of his time and I do not believe his remarks are without consequence upon the national phsycie (sic) of the Germanic people that eventually led to their involvement in two world wars that had devestating consequences for more than just themselves.

It is despicable and the same slur directed at the Judaic peoples could very well have been addressed to organized Christianity for all of its wealth, prestige, power and influence over governments.

Yeah, some of you will get angry at what I am saying, but look at the words and tell yourself that the Roman Catholic, or some large and powerful Protestant denominations don't fit the description.

He did bring down on his own head, his own words.

Here it is a link and the article. I hope you have a strong stomach...Blessings miles

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html




Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies
(1543)

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At the beginning of his career, Luther was apparently sympathetic to Jewish resistance to the Catholic Church. He wrote, early in his career:

The Jews are blood-relations of our Lord; if it were proper to boast of flesh and blood, the Jews belong more to Christ than we. I beg, therefore, my dear Papist, if you become tired of abusing me as a heretic, that you begin to revile me as a Jew.

But Luther expected them to convert to his purified Christianity. When they did not, he turned violently against Jews.

It is impossible for modern people to read the horrible passages below and not to think of the burning of synagogues in November 1938 on Kristallnacht. Nor would one wish to excuse Luther for this text.

A number of points must, however, be made. The most important concerns the language used. Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career....We do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century. Second, although Luther's comments seem to be proto-Nazi, they are better seen as part of tradition of Medieval Christian anti-Semitism. While there is little doubt that Christian anti-Semitism laid the social and cultural basis for modern anti-Semitism, modern anti-Semitism does differ in being based on pseudo-scientific notions of race. The Nazis imprisoned and killed Jews who had converted to Christianity: Luther would have welcomed them.

None of this justifies what follows, but it may help to comprehend what is happening. In 1994, the Church Council of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America rejected Luther's anti-Semitic writings.


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Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies
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I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.


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He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.



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Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...


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Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.


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...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.


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Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...


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Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self­glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.


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Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch­thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.


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However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.


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If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies­­ that is, longer than two thousand years.

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...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.


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Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?


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Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.


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No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.


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...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!


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Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.


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I brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule­­ if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe­conduct, or communion with us.... .With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my

conscience.


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Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.


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However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly


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Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.


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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death.


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What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:


First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly ­ and I myself was unaware of it ­ will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.


Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.


Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)


Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17 [:10 ff.]) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16 {:18], "You are Peter," etc, inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.


Fifth, I advise that safe­conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let they stay at home. (...remainder omitted).


Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they have stolen and robbed from us all they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's blessing in a good and worthy cause.


Seventh, I commend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow, as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen 3[:19]}. For it is not fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the stove, feasting and farting, and on top of all, boasting blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.


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But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.


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Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:


First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss in sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire. That would demonstrate to God our serious resolve and be evidence to all the world that it was in ignorance that we tolerated such houses, in which the Jews have reviled God, our dear Creator and Father, and his Son most shamefully up till now but that we have now given them their due reward.


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I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God's wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated."


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My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.

From Luther's Works, Volume 47: The Christian in Society IV, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971). pp 268­293.


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Source: Internet Medieval Sourcebook

I think the Denominations in the "chruch" as a whole are very wrong and send a bad meaning to people that are not "Christian". I think denominations are mans way of justifying the bible to their own liking, which god talks about, in the false prophets section in the bible. Not saying their false prophets however im saying, Watch what your listening to, make sure the pastor preaches the bible and not his opinion.

watch the movie "luther". he was quite insane, but hey, at least he got many christians away from the stranglehold of the catholic church. because of him i get to worship in a non-denominational church with 80 or so other people, in regular clothes, with a band. no hymnals. no suits and ties. just worshipping god who you are. thanks luther!

and andrew, put a shirt on dude. haha. just messin.

The Church has gone through a number of transformations to become what it is today. Luther was but one of those transformations.

As an aside, when the serfs thought they could reject the authority of the German lords, Luther told the lords to kill the peasants and by doing so they would get a free ticket to heaven.

That said, here is an except from a book called the 144,000 under the chapter Not Defiled by Women:

The Woman’s Transformation Begins
A transformation within God’s Church started soon after Christ’s resurrection. The process began with Gnostic corruption from within, and it continued as the church absorbed Roman paganism. It was finally made complete by the birth of many daughter churches, who now reflect their Roman mother.
The doctrines instituted by Christ, and observed by the apostles, were first perverted by men influenced by Gnosticism, an esoteric religious system based on the acquisition of knowledge. False teachers, swayed by Gnostic heretics such as Simon Magus and Cerinthus, infiltrated God’s Church. While professing belief in Christ, these false teachers brought in damnable beliefs (II Corinthians 11:13-15; II Peter 2:1).
At the core of the Gnostic system was a belief that anything physical took a person away from God. Those things that were intellectual, and therefore believed to be spiritual, brought one closer to the Deity. Consequently, only those things of the mind were valued by disciples of this false religion.
In time, two sects emerged from this belief. An ascetic view was propagated which advocated that, since the physical led man away from God, individuals should avoid all pleasures in life in order to become more spiritual. The Apostle Paul described this branch of the movement when he spoke of those who taught “touch not (and) taste not” (Colossians 2:21).
Another sect of this movement also developed, carrying the name Epicurean. These believers put an ironic twist on the teaching. They advocated that, since only thoughts of the mind mattered, a person should partake of every kind of physical pleasure in order to gain more knowledge. The perversion actually went so far as to teach that an individual could perform any depraved act. The belief was propagated that as long as a person had love in their heart and mind, it was not sin.
When addressing this part of the gnostic movement, Paul writes, “shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid” (Romans 6:1). The Apostle John also combated this first century heresy, writing that whoever says that they do not sin deceives himself (I John 1:8).
This gnostic movement continued to affect the church for two centuries. It caused the importance of following God's law to be minimized as false teachers propagated the belief that love for God in the heart was more important than actual obedience to His commands. Then, in the fourth century, a historic precedent catapulted the church into greater apostasy.

Emperor Constantine furthers the Transformation
The Roman Emperor Constantine came to power in the early 300s when it was still a violation of Roman law to practice Christianity. During this time in history, those who professed the Christian religion were hated by the state and subjected to great persecution. This included torture, and even burning at the stake.
The new Emperor took control of the Roman Empire at a period when it was beginning to crumble due to excess. At the same time, the now corrupt Christian religion was growing. Despite great persecution, these professing Christians seemed dedicated to their faith. They taught moral living and hard work, coupled with loyalty to the state. Constantine was so impressed that he decided to use this religion as the glue to hold his failing Empire together.
Constantine issued “The Edict of Toleration” in 313 A.D., and later made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. State persecution of Christians stopped immediately with this edict, and believers throughout the empire rejoiced. They were convinced that God had saved them through this pagan dictator.
Few could have anticipated what would occur next. Because Christianity was now the state religion, the church became political. The woman began to ride the beast described in Revelation, chapter seventeen, and professing Christianity was further metamorphosed. Jesse Hurlbut describes this, stating:

The establishment of Christianity as the state religion became a curse. Everybody sought membership in the church, and nearly everybody was received. Both good and bad, sincere seekers after God and hypocritical seekers after gain, rushed into the communion. Worldly, unscrupulous men sought office in the church for social and political influence . . . The services of worship increased in splendor, but were less spiritual and hearty than those of former times. The forms and ceremonies of paganism gradually crept into the worship. The old heathen feasts became church festivals with change of name and (a change in) worship (The Story of the Christian Church).

The Transformation becomes Complete
Legalizing Christianity solved one problem for the church, but caused yet another. Millions of pagans were made “Christians” overnight, but they had no desire to give up their old ways. The priests tried to change the new converts from the paganism their culture had embraced, but could not! Finally, the church decided to accommodate the pagan practices. The church historian, Guignebert explains how this process occurred. He writes:

At the beginning of the fifth century, the ignorant and the semi-Christians thronged into the church in numbers. They had forgotten none of their pagan customs . . . The bishops of that period had to content themselves with redressing, as best they could and in experimental fashion, the shocking malformations of the Christian faith which they perceived around them. [To properly teach new converts] was out of the question; they had to be content with teaching them no more than the symbol of baptism and then baptizing them en masse, postponing until a later date the task of eradicating their superstitions, which they preserved intact . . . This “later date” never arrived, and the church adapted to herself, as well as she could, them and their customs and beliefs . . . [converts] were content to dress their paganism in a Christian cloak (The Early History of Christianity pp. 208-210).

This so-called Christianity attempted to bring the pagan world under its control through a process of assimilation. But instead of converting the pagans to their beliefs, this practice actually fueled the spread of the false pagan worship, like a cancer from within. Ultimately, this attempt at mass conversion worked to further defile true religion. Will Durant writes:

Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it . . . From Egypt came the idea of a divine trinity . . . and the adoration of the Mother and Child. . . . From Phrygia came the worship of the Great Mother . . . The Mithraic ritual so closely resembled the Eucharistic sacrifice of the mass that Christian fathers charged the devil with inventing these similarities to mislead frail minds. [Modern day] Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient pagan world (The Story of Civilization, p. 595).

Instead of being separate from the world, this form of “Christianity” was driven by a desire to increase their numbers. They invited the world inside.
Believing they could “Christianize” the pagans, the church began accepting a wide range of Babylon’s beliefs, symbols, and practices. In so doing, it became more corrupt. Alexander Hislop writes:

This tendency on the part of Christians to meet paganism half way was very early developed (The Two Babylons, p. 93).

This form of Christianity believed it could meet the pagans half way by accepting them, if they in turn would accept Christ. What occurred in actual practice was that the pagans so defiled this church that it was assimilated by them!
The church remained in this state for more than a thousand years. As it grew more and more powerful, it was finally able to take control of the holy Roman Empire— fulfilling the prophecy, “the woman rode the Roman beast.” The formerly persecuted church became the persecutor. She lived deliciously—drunk on the blood of the true saints (Revelation 17:6).
In the 1500s, the Protestant reformation was born. Millions believed they were now free from defilement by the woman. While free from Papal authority, their new freedom was actually a birth of the daughters of the whore who would bear her likeness in belief, tradition and symbol.

Art

wow art. where did u learn all this stuff? are u a pastor or something?

See all the books behind my picture? I love the Bible and have been studying since 1971. I am a pastor of a small group in Billings. Most of the quotes I reproduce are from my books or booklets.

Just so you know, I have enormous respect for your balanced and sincere approach to the Scriptures.

Art