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Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! I am not discussing 'lazy non working' people. I am discussing people brought here as children who could have another option of support AS CHILDREN, and an option to become legal when they reach the age to enter into a contract. |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Wed 08/22/18 04:38 PM
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Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! I am not discussing 'lazy non working' people. I am discussing people brought here as children who could have another option of support AS CHILDREN, and an option to become legal when they reach the age to enter into a contract. Parents are responsible, if parents have nothing then the Children have to LEAVE. with the parents. Deport All. Children belong with the parents. IMO BTW. I am talking about the laziness of thinking US owes them support and they were brought to US illegally. The PARENT knew it was a crime coming to US illegally. Many Illegals are lazy and want support for themselves, not only their children. |
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Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! I am not discussing 'lazy non working' people. I am discussing people brought here as children who could have another option of support AS CHILDREN, and an option to become legal when they reach the age to enter into a contract. Parents are responsible, if parents have nothing then the Children have to LEAVE. with the parents. Deport All. Children belong with the parents. IMO BTW. I am talking about the laziness of thinking US owes them support and they were brought to US illegally. The PARENT knew it was a crime coming to US illegally. Many Illegals are lazy and want support for themselves, not only their children. I have no problem holding parents accountable. I have problem holding KIDS responsible and turning our backs to them because of their parents choice. If the issue of support is not present(there is a legal sponsor that takes financial responsibility) what is the need to deport such children? and if they reach adulthood having the history of working through school like other Americans without troubles, what is the need to deport them with no option to make their status legal with 'time served' for having already been here? Instead of being in the back of line, waiting in their native country, like any other immigrant? |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Wed 08/22/18 06:36 PM
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Illegals adults and children should be stopped entering States illegally! US has enough lazy non working people to support off taxpayers now !!! I am not discussing 'lazy non working' people. I am discussing people brought here as children who could have another option of support AS CHILDREN, and an option to become legal when they reach the age to enter into a contract. Parents are responsible, if parents have nothing then the Children have to LEAVE. with the parents. Deport All. Children belong with the parents. IMO BTW. I am talking about the laziness of thinking US owes them support and they were brought to US illegally. The PARENT knew it was a crime coming to US illegally. Many Illegals are lazy and want support for themselves, not only their children. I have no problem holding parents accountable. I have problem holding KIDS responsible and turning our backs to them because of their parents choice. If the issue of support is not present(there is a legal sponsor that takes financial responsibility) what is the need to deport such children? and if they reach adulthood having the history of working through school like other Americans without troubles, what is the need to deport them with no option to make their status legal with 'time served' for having already been here? Instead of being in the back of line, waiting in their native country, like any other immigrant? Problem is Illegals in US sucking up government funds for support! Send them back. Adults and their Children! Nothing justifies coming to US illegally. It's a Crime. They are NOT American because they are ILLEGAL immigrants. BTW That includes their KIDS !! Hopefully the next President will see that also ! : 
Some Illegals are muderers!! We already have enough Crime in America, especially large cities with high crime areas. |
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This just adds to the list of reasons,
a varmint bounty should be offered on illegals. |
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FBI Statistic: an average of 4,380 people per year are murdered by illegal aliens in the US yearly. FBI Statistic: an average of 9,125 people per year are killed by illegal aliens during the commission of a felony in the US yearly. FBI Statistic:29% of the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens. FBI Statistic: an average of 4,745 people are killed by illegal aliens driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol ____________________________________________________________________ So, I guess this young woman just gets added to the 18,350 others that get murdered or killed during a felony crime each year by people that should not be here in the first place. terrible, as is any violence by anyone any link as to where I can read more of these statistics? http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/ One comment noted in it there was from a illegal alien who was arrested for crimes and deported 14 TIMES. " America is stupid.. we just keep coming back" The prisons currently hold 250,000 illegal aliens, MS.. these are prisons.. you get to prison by committing felonies which call for long sentences.. not for minor offenses... this is not the town jail county lock up... it is prison. MS-13? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ms-13-gangsters-suspected-long-island-quadruple-murder-article-1.3051319 above is the type of people walking into our country. 3 days ago the cops arrested yet 12 more MS-13 members on a different homicide and drug trafficking Out of the 13 arrested... 12 were ILLEGAL ALIENS. So your blanket " well, that's bad news for the slain woman and her family".. doesn't come close to addressing the core issue. They should have never been here in the first place. This girl should still be alive. _____ _____ _____ N.Y. Daily News: Members of the MS-13 street gang, already blamed for six Long Island slayings, emerged Thursday as the leading suspects in the execution of four young men. The butchered corpses were quickly linked to the violent crew because of the brutality of the suburban slaughter near the soccer fields at a Central Islip park. Yep... they came here to get a better life..........right? the vast majority, yes. and the link had no mention of the statistics. The reason I asked was because it claims to be FBI statistics. But I noticed there were a smaller number of people 'murdered' than there were "killed" during a "felony', which if I recall is also MURDER. So Im wondering why FBI in this case decided to not include felony murder (death during a felony) with the murder numbers. but back to the issue. I am not for playing minority report and assuming what someone might do because they are here. I am not for scapegoating an entire population's presence because there are criminals in that population, I cant think of any demographic which doesnt. I am for prosecuting people for their actual crimes retroactively, and proactively seeking to address the social, economic, political infrastructures that contribute to or inspire such crimes. I am for helping children, regardless of a political status or label, be safe and feel valued. Those who are here, with some record of obstruction or offense, send them where they cannot harm anyone else. Those who are here and not doing either, ESPECIALLY KIDS, should have a 'plea deal' type of option just like in the criminal justice system, that has a more lenient repurcussion for the offense of no documentation or expired documentation. All illegal immigrants are not the same in terms of their intent or social impact, and they should not be treated as such. I really don't care about the vast majority ( as you claim)because they too crossed our boarder illegally. So they started off in this country as a criminal. I will care about them when they follow the same vetting procedures as other LAWFULL migrants have. The hole in your logic is this: ILLEGAL...means.. not vetted.. not vetted.. means we know NOTHING about their background And as the 250,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS in our prisons will attest to that. The guy the other day.. you know the illegal taking his pregnant wife to the hospital when he was grabbed by ICE. Bleeding hearts screaming.. injustice!!.. wife crying.. this is not fair!!! The guy was wanted in Mexico.. FOR MURDER!!!!...ICE should get a metal for grabbing him.. they should not hearing cries of injustice. |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Thu 08/23/18 06:29 AM
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I have No Respect for ILLEGALS crossing US boarders!
Illegal Children growing up in US does not make them Americans UNTIL they are Legal. America needed to stop this Years ago! Better late than Never !!! |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Thu 08/23/18 06:25 AM
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Illegal immigrant
Parents knew they were committing a Crime by sneaking across US Boarders. Period !! |
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Has anyone ever come across a positive illegal immigrant story of any kind as I feel those illegal immigrants that come to the USA for a better life will clap and cheer to the rooftops like any normal person would when the illegal immigrant murderer is caught and fully gets what he/she deserves and the victims family also gets Justice too 
[/quote Well, with 250,000 illegal aliens already in state prisons for serious felonies against Americans and America, those cheering and clapping illegals must have very very sore arms by now. |
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we dont 'vet' children even when they are legal, they have nothing to 'vet'
children should not have their life turned upside down, beyond losing a parent, because of a parents crimes. its just vindictive to treat them the same as the adult who had the choice and knew better. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i
Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? no, I mean the more than three quarters who didnt ....lol. Immigration does not 'vet' kids because there is no record to vet, legal or not. |
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Has anyone ever come across a positive illegal immigrant story of any kind as I feel those illegal immigrants that come to the USA for a better life will clap and cheer to the rooftops like any normal person would when the illegal immigrant murderer is caught and fully gets what he/she deserves and the victims family also gets Justice too
What do you mean by glossing over the word "illegal", you misunderstand if I understand you correctly. I'm making the point that some illegal immigrants just like you and me i.e. want a better life for their families but are good people that will hate what happened to that poor murdered woman and also her family suffering like they are now, too. But I wouldn't condemn the son of a KKK member just because his father may have took part in all sorts of violence in that KKK members past. If the USA is like the UK then folk break the speed limit all the time going about their daily lives but they are still good people trying to live their lives as honestly as possible. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say. I would also say that even illegal immigrants contribute to USA society in good ways. Illegal immigrants are not all bad. Just as all humans on this planet of ours are not all the same, their individuals.....like Illegal immigrants. The USA seems so divided when looked at her from the outside. It's very scary sometimes when we think back over the past 200 years or so, and I think, could history repeat itself yet again..........I say yet again as the Rwandan tragedy is only a few years past in relative terms. I will bow out of this debate. Thanks |
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Has anyone ever come across a positive illegal immigrant story of any kind as I feel those illegal immigrants that come to the USA for a better life will clap and cheer to the rooftops like any normal person would when the illegal immigrant murderer is caught and fully gets what he/she deserves and the victims family also gets Justice too
What do you mean by glossing over the word "illegal", you misunderstand if I understand you correctly. I'm making the point that some illegal immigrants just like you and me i.e. want a better life for their families but are good people that will hate what happened to that poor murdered woman and also her family suffering like they are now, too. But I wouldn't condemn the son of a KKK member just because his father may have took part in all sorts of violence in that KKK members past. If the USA is like the UK then folk break the speed limit all the time going about their daily lives but they are still good people trying to live their lives as honestly as possible. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say. I would also say that even illegal immigrants contribute to USA society in good ways. Illegal immigrants are not all bad. Just as all humans on this planet of ours are not all the same, their individuals.....like Illegal immigrants. The USA seems so divided when looked at her from the outside. It's very scary sometimes when we think back over the past 200 years or so, and I think, could history repeat itself yet again..........I say yet again as the Rwandan tragedy is only a few years past in relative terms. I will bow out of this debate. Thanks thank you. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? no, I mean the more than three quarters who didnt ....lol. Immigration does not 'vet' kids because there is no record to vet, legal or not. That fact remains that these kids came here and killed . that is the undeniable... fact. And there are families here that surely would disagree with your logic. The families of the dead. So, as long as Mexican parents throw their kids over the fence into America we are to take them and do what??? Give them to who?...Who takes care of them?... MS-13?.. because that is where a lot are ending up. Going back to my post of yesterday 13 MS-13 gangbangers arrested for murdering 4 people. Chopping their bodies up with machetes ( their trademark) out of the 13 arrested. 12 were illegal aliens So spin your tail of %'s to the family of the 4 that were chopped up. I would love to see that. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? no, I mean the more than three quarters who didnt ....lol. Immigration does not 'vet' kids because there is no record to vet, legal or not. That fact remains that these kids came here and killed . that is the undeniable... fact. And there are families here that surely would disagree with your logic. The families of the dead. So, as long as Mexican parents throw their kids over the fence into America we are to take them and do what??? Give them to who?...Who takes care of them?... MS-13?.. because that is where a lot are ending up. Going back to my post of yesterday 13 MS-13 gangbangers arrested for murdering 4 people. Chopping their bodies up with machetes ( their trademark) out of the 13 arrested. 12 were illegal aliens So spin your tail of %'s to the family of the 4 that were chopped up. I would love to see that. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? no, I mean the more than three quarters who didnt ....lol. Immigration does not 'vet' kids because there is no record to vet, legal or not. That fact remains that these kids came here and killed . that is the undeniable... fact. And there are families here that surely would disagree with your logic. The families of the dead. So, as long as Mexican parents throw their kids over the fence into America we are to take them and do what??? Give them to who?...Who takes care of them?... MS-13?.. because that is where a lot are ending up. Going back to my post of yesterday 13 MS-13 gangbangers arrested for murdering 4 people. Chopping their bodies up with machetes ( their trademark) out of the 13 arrested. 12 were illegal aliens So spin your tail of %'s to the family of the 4 that were chopped up. I would love to see that. there is no spin. there is only logic, to treat a whole demographic based on what those violent members inside it do, is bigoted and discriminatory. as far as who will take care of them, I also addressed that. In our judicial system, we make plea bargains, we take deals, we decide who to prosecute or not. justice does allow DISCRETION and leeway. Causing someones death is considered homicide, but not all homicide is treated blanketly, but instead on intent and sometimes planning. children are guilty of no crime because their parents take them along while committing theirs. IF there is someone who can sponsor them (be legally responsible for their support) there should be an option for them to remain in the place that has become home for them. And if, after they reach an age to sign a legal document, instead of fear of deportation, there should be a way for them to receive a stay while applying for legal status. |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/21/ms-13-gang-members-gaining-numbers-by-recruiting-i Nearly a quarter of MS-13 gang members arrested or charged with crimes since 2012 came to the U.S. as part of the Obama-era surge of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC), including a staggering number who have faced murder charges, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, which looked at 506 cases __________________________________________________________________ You mean these kids? no, I mean the more than three quarters who didnt ....lol. Immigration does not 'vet' kids because there is no record to vet, legal or not. That fact remains that these kids came here and killed . that is the undeniable... fact. And there are families here that surely would disagree with your logic. The families of the dead. So, as long as Mexican parents throw their kids over the fence into America we are to take them and do what??? Give them to who?...Who takes care of them?... MS-13?.. because that is where a lot are ending up. Going back to my post of yesterday 13 MS-13 gangbangers arrested for murdering 4 people. Chopping their bodies up with machetes ( their trademark) out of the 13 arrested. 12 were illegal aliens So spin your tail of %'s to the family of the 4 that were chopped up. I would love to see that. there is no spin. there is only logic, to treat a whole demographic based on what those violent members inside it do, is bigoted and discriminatory. as far as who will take care of them, I also addressed that. In our judicial system, we make plea bargains, we take deals, we decide who to prosecute or not. justice does allow DISCRETION and leeway. Causing someones death is considered homicide, but not all homicide is treated blanketly, but instead on intent and sometimes planning. children are guilty of no crime because their parents take them along while committing theirs. IF there is someone who can sponsor them (be legally responsible for their support) there should be an option for them to remain in the place that has become home for them. And if, after they reach an age to sign a legal document, instead of fear of deportation, there should be a way for them to receive a stay while applying for legal status. Thanks you in return :-) |
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Mollie Tibbetts, 20yr old found dead. Student in Iowa was out doing her run and disappeared. Murdered by 24yr old illegal immagrant. CBS Evening News Beautiful young lady. It is time for our President to take drastic actions on these illegals killing our citizens on a regular basis. |
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