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Topic: black business owners up 400% in one year
shovelheaddave's photo
Thu 08/30/18 09:14 AM

there is no such thing as African american, Italian american, polish american etc...

THERE ARE ONLY AMERICANS!

YOU ARE EITHER AMERICAN OR YOU ARE NOT.

well,since people from 'MEXICO' live on the continent of north America,just like we do,does that mean that we can just call them 'AMERICANS',too?
shades

Easttowest72's photo
Thu 08/30/18 09:20 AM
Trump helping minorities. :thumbsup:

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Thu 08/30/18 09:39 AM
Would love to find out where you are getting your info, because you are the only one I have heard that from! Fake news!

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Thu 08/30/18 09:40 AM
Now that's funny!

petenh's photo
Thu 08/30/18 11:27 AM

New business is great news.



Hey, if this survey is true, it IS great news.

I am continuing to look at it with cautious optimism though. Worried that the survey cites a lot of barber shops, and not a more diverse base of businesses.

Last week I drove through one of the more ethnic cities in my area, and saw a whole two-block stretch of their main street with side-by-side barber shops and beauty parlors, on each side of the street, with the infrequent pre-paid phone store in the middle. I commented to myself then that it seems that the area would need a TON of customers to keep that many barber chairs full.

Barber shops are big cash businesses, which are also good for money laundering of dope sales (also a big cash business)

Pre-paid phones are also another favorite of the dope industry.

I am hoping I am wrong

petenh's photo
Thu 08/30/18 11:42 AM

there is no such thing as African american, Italian american, polish american etc...

THERE ARE ONLY AMERICANS!

YOU ARE EITHER AMERICAN OR YOU ARE NOT.


But yet, in another post today somewhere on this board, you identified as "Native American"

interesting.

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/30/18 12:01 PM
American is national identity (what nation one was born into)

African American is racial identity (the continent of your ancestry)

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Thu 08/30/18 12:22 PM
Yes, lets all be PC.
I am Irish American class 2, which consist of all Irish Americans not of the red hair and freckles species

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/30/18 12:46 PM
"We have found that the 400% statistic is being misrepresented in its context and therefore we have decided to pull that statistic from our info graph," public relations consultant for Guidant Stacia Kirby said in an email. "Our mission is to help people get started and funded in owning their own business."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/blog-posting/black-business-ownership-didnt-increase-400-percen/
The above quote was taken from someone in the ONE company that surveyed THEIR clients.



also from the same source

In November 2017, small business financing company Guidant Financial and online credit marketplace LendingClub Corporation sent out an email survey to their clientele nationwide; they received responses from about 2,600 "current and aspiring entrepreneurs." The companies both posted general articles about the results of that survey on their websites in January without making any distinctions about race or ethnicity except that 47 percent of "aspiring entrepreneurs" surveyed were minorities.

The 400 percent increase in black-owned businesses claim, however, was not made until a subsequent graphic was published on Guidant’s website on Aug. 8.

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Thu 08/30/18 01:43 PM


New business is great news.



Hey, if this survey is true, it IS great news.

I am continuing to look at it with cautious optimism though. Worried that the survey cites a lot of barber shops, and not a more diverse base of businesses.

Last week I drove through one of the more ethnic cities in my area, and saw a whole two-block stretch of their main street with side-by-side barber shops and beauty parlors, on each side of the street, with the infrequent pre-paid phone store in the middle. I commented to myself then that it seems that the area would need a TON of customers to keep that many barber chairs full.

Barber shops are big cash businesses, which are also good for money laundering of dope sales (also a big cash business)

Pre-paid phones are also another favorite of the dope industry.

I am hoping I am wrong


I see my share of new barber shops and businesses like that as well, but I have also recently seen a upswing in black owned construction type businesses here in my area. Especially sheetrocking,framing and Demo. companies. My mechanical contractor is a black business owner.. sharp as a whip and his crews ( mostly black) do good work. There is a lot going up in the greater NYC area, a lot of construction. and a lot of opportunities which it appears some are taking advantage of.

petenh's photo
Thu 08/30/18 02:18 PM



New business is great news.



Hey, if this survey is true, it IS great news.

I am continuing to look at it with cautious optimism though. Worried that the survey cites a lot of barber shops, and not a more diverse base of businesses.

Last week I drove through one of the more ethnic cities in my area, and saw a whole two-block stretch of their main street with side-by-side barber shops and beauty parlors, on each side of the street, with the infrequent pre-paid phone store in the middle. I commented to myself then that it seems that the area would need a TON of customers to keep that many barber chairs full.

Barber shops are big cash businesses, which are also good for money laundering of dope sales (also a big cash business)

Pre-paid phones are also another favorite of the dope industry.

I am hoping I am wrong


I see my share of new barber shops and businesses like that as well, but I have also recently seen a upswing in black owned construction type businesses here in my area. Especially sheetrocking,framing and Demo. companies. My mechanical contractor is a black business owner.. sharp as a whip and his crews ( mostly black) do good work. There is a lot going up in the greater NYC area, a lot of construction. and a lot of opportunities which it appears some are taking advantage of.


That is good to hear then.

I just can't see the survivability of a street foll of barbers. I mean, I tip generously, but no one is feeding a family on just my tips. And my hair is on a once-a-month cut schedule, so...

Easttowest72's photo
Thu 08/30/18 03:04 PM
I have a friend who is a barber. He easily makes $50 an hour. Still has enough time during that hour to eat lunch. It's mostly cash also. Down side is Saturday is the busiest day.

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Fri 08/31/18 10:43 AM
Black business ownership didn’t increase 400 percent this year. Now this is fake news.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/blog-posting/black-business-ownership-didnt-increase-400-percen/

This is another one of those lies that got started on FB.


Easttowest72's photo
Fri 08/31/18 10:52 AM
Most black businesses are under the table.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/31/18 11:46 AM

Black business ownership didn’t increase 400 percent this year. Now this is fake news.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/blog-posting/black-business-ownership-didnt-increase-400-percen/

This is another one of those lies that got started on FB.





people have to read the fine print to get the context(which even the surveyors realized afterwards) who is surveyed and for what purpose is important as well as what standards were used to meet the survey criteria

in this case, it was a specific survey of one firms clients (who we could expect to have higher business ownership) and there was no actual source of comparison given to know what numbers were being compared to come up with the percent of increase, or from what source.


it could very well be that within their business they saw an increase in minority CLIENTS who were owners, or it could be they were comparing some other source of ownership (that used different standard of ownership) and comparing it to their clients ... its just difficult to know with the slight information provided.


I give them credit for realizing how it was being falsely cited and taking it back down.



msharmony's photo
Fri 08/31/18 11:46 AM

Black business ownership didn’t increase 400 percent this year. Now this is fake news.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/aug/27/blog-posting/black-business-ownership-didnt-increase-400-percen/

This is another one of those lies that got started on FB.





people have to read the fine print to get the context(which even the surveyors realized afterwards) who is surveyed and for what purpose is important as well as what standards were used to meet the survey criteria

in this case, it was a specific survey of one firms clients (who we could expect to have higher business ownership) and there was no actual source of comparison given to know what numbers were being compared to come up with the percent of increase, or from what source.


it could very well be that within their business they saw an increase in minority CLIENTS who were owners, or it could be they were comparing some other source of ownership (that used different standard of ownership) and comparing it to their clients ... its just difficult to know with the slight information provided.


I give them credit for realizing how it was being falsely cited and taking it back down.



msharmony's photo
Fri 08/31/18 11:49 AM
According to Bloomberg, 8 out of 10 entrepreneurs who start businesses fail within the first 18 months. A whopping 80% crash and burn.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericwagner/2013/09/12/five-reasons-8-out-of-10-businesses-fail/#e8fbb066978d

filling in paperwork is what it takes to be a 'business owner' on paper, but actually being successful and maintaining business is a different matter, regardless of race.

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