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Topic: Why do you believe what you believe?
Up2youandme's photo
Thu 01/17/19 11:59 AM
In the famous words of Siddhartha

" question everything " .....

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/17/19 12:00 PM

From msharmony
IN fairness, she said NONE of those things were true to point out how repeating falsehoods can lead to false beliefs.


From JustBeHonest
The books of the New Testament were written centuries after the events they describe.
According to the Bible, the earth is flat.
The earliest New Testament manuscripts go back only to the fourth or fifth centuries AD.
The Bible teaches that the earth is the center of the universe.
The English Bible is a translation of a translation of a translation (etc.) of the original, and fresh errors were introduced in each stage of the proces


That is a direct quote from her posts. This is some type of debating tactic. Yes, it is. No, it's not. It's designed to cast doubt.

Some people help promote faith. Some promote doubt. It is obvious to me which one the dishonest "justbehonest" is.

As I have said, most of what she promotes is not true. For example, I do not fall into her categories. I was NOT exposed to much religion as a child. I can count on one hand how many times I was taken to church. So, no indoctrination here.

I went on a quest of my own choosing. I visited many churches when I was a teenager. Including some that were not Christian. I read the Bible when I was 14. Not because I had to. I read it because I heard so much about it from others that I thought it to be an important book. It is obvious that she has never read the Bible. So all of her information on the Bible comes to her second hand. That list of things that are supposed to be in the Bible she got off a web site. Copy and paste. No muss, no fuss. And no studying.

I have run into many people like her. They have been blinded to the truth and try to ignore their own spirituality. All the time trying to fool others and probably herself that she is practicing "critical thinking."

Proverbs 23:7 As a man thinkest, so shall it be...

Such people have not learned the purpose of thinking. They have never learned how to use thought. Often times it is called prayer.

I can understand someone trying to approach Christianity from a neutral standpoint. But this poster has obviously been swayed from the dark side. One-sided.

Besides, as I have said before, she is greatly outnumbered. Christianity is represented by 2.3 billion people. That is about 32% of the population.




you have to read the full post. she ended it with

"How many of the above statements do you think are true? The answer is none; all of them are false. Yet these false impressions persist in the minds of many, and misinformation like this produces a skeptical attitude toward the Bible."




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Fri 01/18/19 08:01 AM
From msharmony
you have to read the full post. she ended it with

"How many of the above statements do you think are true? The answer is none; all of them are false. Yet these false impressions persist in the minds of many, and misinformation like this produces a skeptical attitude toward the Bible."


I will never understand how anyone can comment on a book that he/she has not read.



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Fri 01/18/19 10:27 AM

From msharmony
you have to read the full post. she ended it with

"How many of the above statements do you think are true? The answer is none; all of them are false. Yet these false impressions persist in the minds of many, and misinformation like this produces a skeptical attitude toward the Bible."


I will never understand how anyone can comment on a book that he/she has not read.




Your ability to understand "how anyone can comment on a book that he/she has not read" is not being questioned.On two occasions msharmony has pointed out to you that you appear to be ignoring a very relevant part of JustBeHonest's post.You have misquoted that post by omitting (deliberately in my opinion) part of that post,which is disingenuous and dishonest.You then have the gall to question the honesty of the post.
Your responses to msharmony are evasive at best.In the light of your persistent criticism of the various versions of the bible,what would be the point in reading these so called inadequate translations ?

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/18/19 12:24 PM
Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.

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Fri 01/18/19 02:00 PM

Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.


On the contrary,many of us have opinions on things we know very little about laugh We don't have to be an expert to hold an opinion and we have the right to express that opinion,even if it is not an informed opinion.

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Fri 01/18/19 02:25 PM


Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.


On the contrary,many of us have opinions on things we know very little about laugh We don't have to be an expert to hold an opinion and we have the right to express that opinion,even if it is not an informed opinion.


there is a difference in knowing little about a topic, and knowing nothing about a movie or a book. but yeah, everyone can have an uninformed opinion about a book they havent read or a movie they havent seen. Maybe I should have said it is more difficult to take that opinion into serious consideration.


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Fri 01/18/19 06:32 PM



Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.


On the contrary,many of us have opinions on things we know very little about laugh We don't have to be an expert to hold an opinion and we have the right to express that opinion,even if it is not an informed opinion.


there is a difference in knowing little about a topic, and knowing nothing about a movie or a book. but yeah, everyone can have an uninformed opinion about a book they havent read or a movie they havent seen. Maybe I should have said it is more difficult to take that opinion into serious consideration.


Just jesting with you.Your posts are usually courteous,thought provoking and well informed.flowerforyou

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Fri 01/18/19 06:41 PM




Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.


On the contrary,many of us have opinions on things we know very little about laugh We don't have to be an expert to hold an opinion and we have the right to express that opinion,even if it is not an informed opinion.


there is a difference in knowing little about a topic, and knowing nothing about a movie or a book. but yeah, everyone can have an uninformed opinion about a book they havent read or a movie they havent seen. Maybe I should have said it is more difficult to take that opinion into serious consideration.


Just jesting with you.Your posts are usually courteous,thought provoking and well informed.flowerforyou


flowerforyou

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Sun 01/20/19 05:48 PM
Edited by greeneyes148 on Sun 01/20/19 05:50 PM
I believe in the Catholic religion because I was raised to. I went to " release time " at Saint Mary's catholic school every Wednesday afternoon. Me and all the other Catholic kid candidates from public school number 13 in NYC

There Sister Margaret Mary and her goon side kick ( never got her name) would hit us with that God damn ruler every chance they got.

Until we understood and believed

And that is how I became a Catholic

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Sun 01/20/19 09:19 PM
I am a Christian, because God brought me back to life. I was in a bad accident Dec. 18, 98' and it put me in a coma, till May 2, 99'. So, you ask me why? May 2 is my birthday and it made me turn from bad to good, before my wreck I was breaking into a house. I kicked the door into the house and a house alarm went off. I jumped in my vehicle and drove down a long, gravel drive-way. When I left the drive-way a truck pulling a bobcat hit me. was over 18 year's ago and the doctor's told my parent's, I'll never walk, talk, or past the 10th grade and I've done it all. All from the grace, compassion, and time that God has for us. I'm not trying too convert anyone, but all I'm asking for is for people need to think about this, Jesus died for our sin's, point blank. Thank you for letting me share, R3N

msharmony's photo
Sun 01/20/19 11:14 PM
thank you for sharingflowerforyou

BigD9832's photo
Mon 01/21/19 09:45 AM
Again, in honesty, it is a good point that its difficult to have an opinion on a book if you have not read it. Its like having an opinion on a movie that you havent seen.


there is a difference in knowing little about a topic, and knowing nothing about a movie or a book. but yeah, everyone can have an uninformed opinion about a book they havent read or a movie they havent seen. Maybe I should have said it is more difficult to take that opinion into serious consideration.


:thumbsup:

anggi's photo
Thu 01/31/19 10:48 PM
Because of my experience

babai mondal's photo
Tue 11/19/19 07:14 PM


People believe “what” they believe based on life experiences. Their perception is altered by many different factors including geography., parents upbringing, parents lack of upbringing etc etc!!! Depending what a person experiences in there life gives them “facts “ to make a decision or belief


This. Really ANY belief, whether framed in the box of religion or not, will be affected by and solidified by these many different factors. I feel belief is only the counter to the natural instinct to wanting to know. For anything there is that we are curious about, we are hardwired, so to speak, to be prepared for BELIEF in what we find or what we are taught or experience or any combination of those things.

While I agree with some of what you say, I have to balk at the idea of being 'hardwired'.
The God I believe in today is not the same God i believed in last year or in my youth. It changes as I understand my belief and I am open to new beliefs as my knowledge and wisdom grows.
Religion is what stops that expansion of belief. It doesn't want you to grow, its power resides in the "Hardwiring Baseline'.
Religion isn't flexible like life experiences are.
It expects you to change your life experiences to fit the baseline, the 'hardwiring' and anything else is an abomination of the doctrine.
I've lost count with how many times I have been told my belief in God is wrong. Its my belief?


tdion's photo
Thu 11/28/19 09:06 AM

Everyone of course may have different answers to this question but maybe not so many people have actually thought about it at all.

The interesting thing about this question is that most people regardless of their faith will find the real answer is the same.

Let me begin by saying something all intelligent people can agree is a fact, and that is there are hundreds of different religions practiced around the world. In fact,if you break down "religions" into sects or versions, there are thousands. Scholars estimate there are 30,000 different versions of Christianity alone(I was a bit shocked at that number myself). Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc., all have varying versions or sects that comprise the various beliefs across the planet.

If I ask a Christian why they believe it might be something like this, "His word is preserved and the Bible says this or that..".
A Muslim might have a similar response like, "The Profit Mohammad says in the Quran this or that..". And so down the line of beliefs it goes.

All of them would be wrong of course. Because these answers only espouse WHAT they believe, not WHY they believe.

Although there are exceptions to every rule, for example, people who convert from one faith to another. It may seem this happens often, it is actually a very tiny percentage in relation to the global population.
With the advent of modern science and technology like micro-biology, astrophysics and planetary sciences to name a few, some have digressed from religion to a more agnostic or atheistic view.But again these represent a very small portion of the world population.

So for the majority of the population, why do they believe what they believe?

The surprising and simple answer is: Geography!

To make my point, If I took an avid, devout Christian from the Bible belt who recites biblical verses here on this site and went back in time a hundred years or so where his grandparents, parents and themselves were born and raised in India instead of say Georgia, They would most likely be a Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu now rather than a Christian.

This is true not just in global or country regions, but also in smaller degrees like states, cities and towns.

You would be less likely to be a Mormon if you were born and raised in Tennessee then in Utah.

So there are two things to ponder here.

1) The first is that it is impossible for all the religions and beliefs to be "the right one".
Which leaves the possibility that none of them are "the right one".

2) Secondly, and probably the hardest pill for some to swallow here is: Your faith and what you believe is based more on geography than any truth or reality!





Point 1: Right, all religions are false. God doesn't deal with religions but laws.
Point 2: Right, that's why Christ said that, ye shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free.

tdion's photo
Thu 11/28/19 09:11 AM

In the famous words of Siddhartha

" question everything " .....


Siddharta should have learned from God but he was rejected. The bible tells us to trust on the lord with all our mind and souls and to do his works, with the faith in Christ. There is NO question here.

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