So for the last few weeks I've haunted this side of the forums giving my thoughts on things and pretty much being silly about it. But not this post.

I've seen believers writing collage thesis's on the proof of creationism, and then seen people aggravating the belivers in suppose "debates". All it boils down to is "i'm right and your wrong bwahahahhaha" kind of stuff and yet we call ourselves adults.

So wtf!?

If you believed you had the answer to life, wouldn't you upset a few chairs to let it be known. That's WTF!!!

I can't disagree with the there cloudy....

It's the debate that has been going on since the beginning of time...

A wise man (not sure who) once said, "Never discuss Religion and Politics at the dinner table." Meaning of course that in both of those issues people have such varying beliefs and are so passionate about it, that you are almost guaranteed to get an argument from talking about it.

Or possibly indigestion, Joshy.

I don’t know about you, but I come onto the Internet to play with the kids.

Beep Beep! Varooooooommmmmm!

When I want to talk with intelligent adults I just drive over to the college and talk with the science professors.

Was I supposed to be a groan up???


I didnt get that memo..

Jess:

Was I supposed to be a groan up???

Groan up???? Fruedian slip?

Where, oh where is Artsy? She would appreciate this...

No Michael...always intentional..

D'OH, that was your husband Marge.

this is for the magnificent abra

Matthew 11:25

Invitation to come to Jesus....

At the time Jesus answered and said, "I praise Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise (you) and intelligent and didst reveal them to babes......understand that one Abra????????>

Nothing in your belief system makes any sense to me honey.

This one just sounds like a lame excuse for lazy people to pretend their ignorance is somehow better than actually thinking. These are the same freeloaders who take advantage of all the technological marvels but buck their development all the while.

Nope, it makes no sense to me. Just sounds like a cop-out for people who are afraid to think.

And probably more correctly, with respect to the time these things were said, it refers to the higher-class Romans who were educated as opposed to the Jews who were being oppressed and therefore could not obtain an education even if they wanted one.

The whole story of Jesus is taken out of that oppressed context and when it refers to things like the wise, intelligent, or ‘Pharisees’ its referring to Romans, or to high-class Jews who brown-nosed up to the Romans in order to obtain a better life for themselves.

Trying to suggest that these ancient stories apply in our modern free culture is quite misguided.

To suggest that God would want mankind in general to remain ignorant and uneducated is the epitome of ignorance itself. To suggest that it’s better spiritually to remain stupid rather than to try to discover truth can only be utter nonsense.

This history you are referring to took place over 2000 years ago in an entirely differnet situation than today. To quote verses from that ancient history to people today like as if they hold meaning in today’s world is truly misguided.

By the way, that same man “Jesus”, said that everything he foretold would come to pass within his current generation. So that story is clearly over by now anyway.

Not the beginning of time the thought of one god like Christianity is actually a baby religion only a little over two thousand years, still a baby religion.

If a person believes their belief is right, they believe it is right for all and those who do not believe as they do have something wrong with them or they are ignorant of the believers truth. Each person has their own truth, regardless to how right you think yours is. Respect this concept and the baby fights will end.

He just wanted to know WTF!!?

Geesh, the debate stuff is over there--------->

if one believes passionately that

their belief is the correct one

yet when in a debate of said belief

they lower themselves to

loss of temper and begin

abusive and cutting remarks

to whom they are debating

such action does more to discredit

said belief than anything that

the person debating with you can do

so maybe a little restraint is in order



not that kind of restraint well maybe

Over...theeeere........donkey----------------------------->


YAH MULE!!!!!......YAH!!!!

Regarding this statement:

Christianity is actually a baby religion only a little over two thousand years, still a baby religion.

Christianity does not agree with this statement. Christ said that no one had seen God or heard His voice. He said it was Him that the Scriptures spoke of. Thus, He was the one who created the worlds. He was the one who took Israel out of Egypt. He was David's lord, and the I am who spoke to Abraham.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Luk 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Yes, Christianity claims its beginnings to be before the world existed.

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Art

Billings, didn't you read the sign man? I'd make it blink if I could. ------------------------------------------->

No offense, but of course not, billings, all religions believe they are timeless and all ending. This does not discredit the fact that the religions were all created by man and another many religions preceded them. The question is: as with the egg or chicken, did god create man or did man create god? Every religion in the world was created to answer that question. They create the religion to explain in many forms and details of how their god or gods created man. But in the mere creation of the religion they answer the question the other way. Catch twenty-two