https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/29244e73-1e11-3190-9569-030bc6dd53cb/ss_suspected-drunken-driver-in.html

When police approached Zellmer, he then get out of his vehicle and began to fight the officer.

"Things turned south pretty quickly," Racine County Sheriff Christopher Schmaling told FOX6. "When he was asked to come out, you can see it in his eyes, he was not willing to give up his night of partying and he became violent."

In the video, the deputy can be seen falling to the ground as Zellmer attacked him.

Officers were able to eventually place Zellmer under arrest, and he was later charged with operating a vehicle while under the influence, one count of resisting an officer/substantial bodily harm/soft tissue injury and one count of resisting or obstructing an officer.

The 20-year-old made an initial appearance in court on July 5, and is scheduled to appear in court again on July 12.

The officer involved in the scuffle suffered a knee injury and was transported to the hospital. Schmaling told FOX6 the officer was back on the job by Thursday.

Non fatal response ... Kudos

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Kudos for sure :).. because it happens 10,000 times a day

Exactly, we only really hear about it the rare times they use lethal force.

Police officers aren't there to be used as punching bags. I would say the guy was very lucky. A knee injury is something that can cause problems for the rest of the officers life. People need to lay off the drugs.

So... are you saying we are only imagining that we are hearing about this?

And you wonder why police are sometimes jumpy when approaching certain people?

yes its a dangerous job, and a thankless job because as some famous people have said " its what they signed up for"

bah

What gets me is the insinuation that this is somehow out of the norm. This gets played out continuasly..1,000's of times all day... everyday. With no fanfare.

It's called resisting arrest and battery on a police officer.. happens everyday.

The notation that this is somehow a unique thing.. a novelty... that police did not use deadly force.. is a insult to cops and to people with common sense.

Its not unique at all, which is why its not so hard for OTHERS to do as well, instead of going lethal as a FIRST response.


we should hear more about these so other cops dont have the excuse of how hard their job is when they tense up and shoot first ...


THESE incidents should be held up as the EXPECTATION.

Do you know the stats regarding how many law enforcement officers are assaulted each year?

Does any one ever talk about that?

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/assaults-police-officers-increase-dramatically/

see what you want to ...

like I said KUDOS (that means job well done) to these cops who found non lethal means to do their job. They should be given more press and set as the EXPECTATION for the job from the public.

thank you for the information. Good on those who find non lethal means to address these 'assaults' and what I can imagine are the various DEGREES of threat they actually involve.

there are literately 1000's of cops who dont use lethal force but it depends where they are too, I mean if you're a cop in Mayberry with Aunt Bee and the major crime is breaking and entering is different from lets say South side Chicago where every hood rat wants to take the cops out

would you say that WHEREVER you are being 'assaulted' by a suspect is potentially dangerous, and more so than lets say, watching one run away?

and would you say that the training and wherewithall to find non lethal means to deal with said 'assaults' is a testament to how well a cop does their job compared to one what has to use lethal force against running suspects?

soft tissue damage...he skinned his knee... Press embellished it to make it seem worse...

then why did the press single this one out? Was he white? Gotta be a reason why this case was mentioned and not the millions of others...

whats BS is that a cop ACTUALLY being assaulted can make an arrest without killing someone, yet a cop who sees someone RUNNING away doesnt see an option but to use lethal force.

that doesnt matter WHERE one is at, assault is assault, and running is running.

Yea, I thought so...he is white...now it makes sense...

as much sense as illegal immigrant rape gets so much more press than the thousands of domestic rape cases

there is far too much crime for them to catch them all, so they pick and choose, but there are enough different sources, local and national, to find the crime with a bit of review ....

There's a huge difference between "found non lethal means to do their job" and "(just happened to have) used a non lethal response to a situation."

IMO, based on what you've typed there, you're assuming the cop sat there, had time, to think to himself "Hmmmm, should I shoot this guy? Nawwwww...I'm going to find a non lethal way to do my job."

Or at least went through a decision making process of what to do, either cognizantly eschewing a lethal force solution, and/or actively looking for a non lethal means.

For all I know the cop was half asleep and should have used lethal force. For all I know the cop tried to go for his gun but was so scared couldn't work the holster release. For all I know the suspect had a gun in plain sight, he just didn't happen to grab it, being too drunk, and if any of a billion other variables were slightly different, the cop would be dead or stabbed or shot or whatever, and the perpetrator escaped, going to do who knows what else.

IOW, offering kudos or judgment of any kind is highly inappropriate except as a means of promoting your own agenda based on your biased interpretation of events.


I wouldn't.
If you live in Mayberry USA and know everyone and you're being "assaulted" by your 10 year old nephew because you didn't give him candy, it's less dangerous than being in Chicago and watching a guy run away towards their gun safe.

But of course you used the lazy word of "potentially."
"Potentially" is little different than "hypothetically."
"Potentially" the 10 year old nephew may have AIDS and a cut on his finger and slaps the cop who shaved that day cutting his cheek, with the slap infecting him, and killing the cop eventually.
"Potentially" the suspect running away from the cop could trip and fall and hit his head and forget the combination to his gun safe.
"Potentially" and "hypothetically" anything "could" happen.

It's fun to use the word on the forums, because you can't really lose an argument. You can make your statements mean anything you want.


I'm not sure you really understand training, especially the training police go through.
Kinda like the military. Some "training" is for "finding" alternatives.
A lot of "training" is for conditioning automatic reflexes and muscle memory and overcoming social and emotional dictates (such as don't kill people).


Yes and no.
A lot of "training" has to do with how to fill out paperwork correctly.
I mean for all I know the cop from the article wanted to shoot first and would have, but he wanted to go molest a kid, and wouldn't have time to do it if he shot the guy because of the scene and paperwork and time involved, and he always fills out his paperwork wrong, so has to do it again and again, and that just ruins his free time.

sorry but facts are facts, you praise the police in Racine County Wisc, for not using lethal force when you dont understand that in that city there aren't a lot of homicides to start off with

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Racine-Wisconsin.html

ooops facts

Here is a major story from Racine County this year, 9 charged in firing paintball bullets at pedestrians ( see below)


https://www.cbs58.com/news/two-suspects-now-charged-after-allegedly-firing-paintball-gun-at-pedestrians-homes-in-racine

Compared to what police deal with in Pittsburgh , see below an article I found out of 114 homicides in 2015, 91 of them were black folks.

https://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2016/01/08/91-of-114-homicides-black-lives-2015-deadliest-year-since-2008/

you have to compares apples to apples not apples to oranges