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Topic: Middle class
IgorFrankensteen's photo
Wed 07/04/18 11:38 AM

7 things the middle class can't afford anymore.

1. Vacations

2. New vehicle

3. To pay off debt

4. Emergency savings

5. Retirement savings

6. Medical care

7. Dental work.


There have always been some people who are irresponsible, and some who live beyond their means.

The reason why the American middle class life is no longer widely possible, is NOT because of irresponsible people.


It is because for decades now, all the work has been put in to holding down or reducing middle class income, while ignoring the steady rise in middle class cost of living.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 07/04/18 11:52 AM
Edited by Tom4Uhere on Wed 07/04/18 11:56 AM
What constitues Middle Class?

If you look at City Data website it gives Mean Values for cities.
Look up your city or town and look at the Mean Values for your city.
Now, compare that value to your own income.
Do you fall above or below?
Middle Class would be the same as those mean values.

I live in Bay St Louis, MS
http://www.city-data.com/city/Bay-St.-Louis-Mississippi.html

Estimated median household income in 2016: $42,048 (it was $34,106 in 2000)
Personally I fall way below that amount.
However, you can see that middle class has increased substantially since 2000.

Estimated median house or condo value in 2016: $162,499 (it was $92,500 in 2000)
If I own a house valued at $160,000 I own a house in middle class.
Median gross rent in 2016: $755.

Look up your own city, make your own comparisons.
See if you truly are middle class now.

Mar. 2016 cost of living index in Bay St. Louis: 88.3 (less than average, U.S. average is 100)
Its cheaper to live here than the national average.
How does YOUR city fare?

People have the idea they are middle class but few truly are middle class.

no photo
Wed 07/04/18 12:03 PM

I get what you're saying.
This is why government entities are needed.
However, government entities should never be acting on their own agendas.

Here's a suggestion: (not sure if it would work practically tho)

Cities and towns are divided into divisions where meetings are held needing a decision.
The people elect an individual to represent their votes/concerns and that person then takes those votes/concerns to the next higher level and REPRESENTS the will of the people that trust him/her to represent them.

In this second level meeting, it is composed of representative of the people in each individual's charge. The represent the will of their people no matter what they personally vote or think.

The people elect a representative to take the findings of this second level meeting and pass the will of the people as represented by the first level representation to the next level and so on.

This continues up the ladder, maintaining representation of the people to the POTUS. POTUS then uses this consensus to enact or remove policy according to the will of the people.


it would be a great Idea Tom, the problem is corporations, current campaign laws and I hate to bring this up racial concerns of the various ethnic minority groups.



What is obvious is this is not being done. It fails at the first level.
It continues to fail thru all levels all the way to POTUS.

This is why property taxes rise uncontrollably. This is why we go to war over things we don't want to fight over. This is why the higher level representative enact their will instead of the peoples.
The system is broken.


I agree the system is broken, the solution would be to do what the framers intended the system to be but you cant reverse the course of action, hence the compromises and nobody is happy except the rich.

Elections are focused on what that person can do. Their beliefs on a multitude of subjects. The focus of elections should be on how well that person can represent the will of the people not how well that person can enact their own will.

Trump's wall.
Obama's health care

People in this nation should be saying "My Wall, My Health Care".
Trump's ideas for this nation should carry the same weight as any citizen's. If we want a wall, we will tell Trump we want a wall and its his job to get it done.
If we want the wall painted pink with green polka dots, its Trump's job to make it so. It doesn't matter what color he wants it to be. He still only has the power of one citizen.
and Trump represents the citizens that wanted the wall and repeal of Obama Care.


If you have a bushel of rotten apples you can pick the best of the rotten but you might just say, "ew" and throw them all away and look for fresh apples for your basket. If someone tries to put a rotten one in your basket you stop them.

Its past time to empty out the basket and fill it with fresh.


Except that money talks thanks to the Scotus decision in 1976.

the woman who won in New York 14th district, Ms.Ocasio-cortez is an example of someone who did it the unconventional yet old fashioned way, raised money through small donors,no corporate sponsors and knocked door to door

Today's politicians isn't willing to do that, maybe after the fact she won of course she has to win in November , we shall see if this will kick start a new breed of politician


Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 07/04/18 12:06 PM
The CIA World Factbook also gives information by country.

The USA:
http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

Population below poverty line:
15.1% (2010 est.)


Household income or consumption by percentage share:
lowest 10%: 2%
highest 10%: 30% (2007 est.)

According to THIS data, 68% is middle class.

Distribution of family income - Gini index:
45 (2007 est.)
40.8 (1997 est.)
country comparison to the world: 41

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 07/04/18 12:14 PM
we shall see if this will kick start a new breed of politician

We can only hope.

People in general seem to forget that corruption doesn't HAVE to be tolerated. Its a choice.
Ending the current fiasco of what we call government is not impossible but it is difficult and would require unity of purpose to a specific goal.
Since we can't seem to find our unity, its a very tough row to hoe.
Just because the challenge is daunting doesn't mean we should give up trying.
What we need is a shift in priorities and a dedication to the goal.
Unity means we would need everybody on board.
Nobody in power is going to easily give up that power - they will fight change with all they can muster.

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