Topic: Middle class
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Tue 07/03/18 10:45 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Tue 07/03/18 10:45 AM
They Haven't double taxed us on property transfers... yet.


Westmount... Fougetaboutit smokin




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Tue 07/03/18 11:00 AM

They Haven't double taxed us on property transfers... yet.


Westmount... Fougetaboutit smokin






hope and pray that they dont, we had a marxist mayor back in 2007 that introduced that tax and funny thing is he resigned one year after it was implemented in 2008, he knew that people here were unhappy with that decision and he was going to lose big time in the coming election.

I see some of the Americans complain about their taxes, I say come on up here and see what high taxes are.

One of my buddies has a rental property a condo in a building over looking Lake Ontario, its a 975 sq ft one bedroom, one bathroom and a solarium and he is getting 2000 dollars a month for it.

I cant imagine what the rent is like in Westmount or griffintown area of Montreal.


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Tue 07/03/18 11:11 AM


They Haven't double taxed us on property transfers... yet.


Westmount... Fougetaboutit smokin






hope and pray that they dont, we had a marxist mayor back in 2007 that introduced that tax and funny thing is he resigned one year after it was implemented in 2008, he knew that people here were unhappy with that decision and he was going to lose big time in the coming election.

I see some of the Americans complain about their taxes, I say come on up here and see what high taxes are.

One of my buddies has a rental property a condo in a building over looking Lake Ontario, its a 975 sq ft one bedroom, one bathroom and a solarium and he is getting 2000 dollars a month for it.

I cant imagine what the rent is like in Westmount or griffintown area of Montreal.




But most of us tax payers don't have free healthcare. Just 1 trip to the er is about $10,000.

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Tue 07/03/18 11:16 AM


IMO,anybody that pays over $1000 a month for 'rent' is an idiot!!!

for that sort of money,you could be paying to actually OWN a house,and gaining equity,instead of just throwing your money away by renting.

so,'renting' is just another one of those 'bad decisions' that i was talking about!


I disagree there. You could be building equity or HUGE debt, because housing value is not guaranteed. Owning a house is not really owning it for most people as they have a prerequisite 10 to 30 years before it ever becomes theirs and not the banks, and if they want to move before that time, they also have the hassle of being able to sell it for more than what they paid in order to not come out behind. At that to the HEADACHE of HOAs and their fees and fines for every little thing, property tax, maintenance and landscaping ... and some dont feel its worth the trade off, equity or not.



i disagree!
cuz,even if you dont sell it for more than you paid for it,you can still come out ahead if you recoup at least PART of the money that you would have spent on rent during the period that you lived there,which is money that you would have basically just been throwing away.
so,technically,you could sell it for less than you paid for it,and STILL come out ahead.
not to mention that there are several things that you could do to improve the home while you are living in it that dont cost very much money,so it could possibly be quite easy to raise the value of the home for an investment of very little money,and make a substantial profit on it.
[especially if you did your homework,and made a good buy in the first place,instead of just jumping on the first thing that you saw.]

but,money that you spent on rent is just a loss.


so,it all depends on if you are content to just live in the moment,or to invest in your future!

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Tue 07/03/18 11:27 AM



They Haven't double taxed us on property transfers... yet.


Westmount... Fougetaboutit smokin






hope and pray that they dont, we had a marxist mayor back in 2007 that introduced that tax and funny thing is he resigned one year after it was implemented in 2008, he knew that people here were unhappy with that decision and he was going to lose big time in the coming election.

I see some of the Americans complain about their taxes, I say come on up here and see what high taxes are.

One of my buddies has a rental property a condo in a building over looking Lake Ontario, its a 975 sq ft one bedroom, one bathroom and a solarium and he is getting 2000 dollars a month for it.

I cant imagine what the rent is like in Westmount or griffintown area of Montreal.




But most of us tax payers don't have free healthcare. Just 1 trip to the er is about $10,000.



Right, my income tax would make you hurl, My payroll tax would make you snap, My capital gains tax would make Americans buckle, Not even going near the Fuel taxes, those are just cruel.



10K for a ER visit eh? Try waiting 36 hrs in ER on a long weekend because there's only one dr on shift. noway

Anyways, I'm not trying to compare, taxes suck donkey balls, just sayin







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Tue 07/03/18 11:29 AM
Edited by diserli_gears on Tue 07/03/18 11:49 AM
its not free here, we pay for it through our taxes Easttowest.

while it may not cost us out of pocket money to go to the E.R. our working class, middle class, upper class and 1% pays enough taxes that its a rip off.

I will give you an example of liberal government policy and our high taxes.

We pay into the Canada Pension Plan, if you live in Canada, Quebec doesnt they have their own.johnn111 can give you the details as he lives in Quebec.

Our CPP is like your Social security.

Im divorced with no kids, If I die the Government pays out 2500 dollars towards your funeral expenses but keeps whatever Ive contributed, my beneficiaries dont receive one dime.

This has been going on for years thanks to Justin Trudeau's idiot phucking communist loving prick of a father Pierre Elliott Trudeau when he was prime minister.

the government keeps all that money so course the trade off is hospital visits are covered under the government insurance, and if one doesn't have a provincial health card they ARE BILLED, so If an illegal or an American or Foreigner uses our E.R they are billed, we are not, but we pay a steep price in our taxes

We are taxed to death up here, I believe you are rental property owner, think about when you sold your first rental property how much taxes you've paid on capital gains which I assume if you've had the property over 5 years, your capital gains is 25%

If you were up here your capital gains tax is 50%,I dont know what its like in Quebec as Johnn111 could better answer that.

We get taxed for every thing here, somethings are great here and somethings are not.

I rather pay your taxes , get my own insurance ( which I have) vs having government insurance being at the mercy of the medical system waiting 3 months to do an MRI on my shoulder vs driving to Buffalo and getting it done the next day is a better medical system in my books

Although I do get it if one is indigent in Canada its definitely helps and if you live in the city because if you live in a smaller communities Doctors are like Gold and in great demand and good luck finding one and if you do many of them are NOT taking on new patients.


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Tue 07/03/18 11:38 AM
I've only sold 1 property in my life. Here we live in them i think it was 2 out of 5 years. I think it's 4 out of 5 now to avoid capital gains.

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Tue 07/03/18 11:39 AM
We pay CPP as well,

Capital gains, the plan has the inclusion rate, now 50% of the capital gain, increasing to 75% for Quebec tax purposes. This would bring the highest marginal tax rate on capital gains in Quebec up to 35.4% from 24.1%.Oct 6, 2012

Quebec gas buyers are the most heavily taxed in North America. According to CAA, they pay 10 cents in federal excise tax, 19 cents in Quebec fuel tax, and 3 cents in Montreal tax for public transportation. Plus, five per cent GST and nearly 10 percent PST.Jan 19, 2015



I could go on but you'd spew chunks

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Tue 07/03/18 11:57 AM

We pay CPP as well,

Capital gains, the plan has the inclusion rate, now 50% of the capital gain, increasing to 75% for Quebec tax purposes. This would bring the highest marginal tax rate on capital gains in Quebec up to 35.4% from 24.1%.Oct 6, 2012

Quebec gas buyers are the most heavily taxed in North America. According to CAA, they pay 10 cents in federal excise tax, 19 cents in Quebec fuel tax, and 3 cents in Montreal tax for public transportation. Plus, five per cent GST and nearly 10 percent PST.Jan 19, 2015



I could go on but you'd spew chunks



Oh I know , I feel for you folks in Quebec its an absolute rip off , I remember driving from Ottawa to Gatineau and the difference in gas prices blew my mind.

I would assume many quebecers living in Gatineau/Hull probably fills up in Ottawa and drives back.




I've only sold 1 property in my life. Here we live in them i think it was 2 out of 5 years. I think it's 4 out of 5 now to avoid capital gains.


you are paying capital gains no matter what, its just the length of time you have the property determines your capital gain, Including your principal residence.

That is one thing I like about up here in Canada, our principal residence is exempt from capital gain tax.

We get a break on a few things including if we own American property mind you have to sign some type of agreement giving us tax credits etc.

I know you folks down there can write off your interest up to One million dollars, we cannot write off our interest here except if we have a line of credit on our homes and we use the line of credit for business/investment or education purposes.



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Tue 07/03/18 11:59 AM
That's what I'm saying. We make it out principal residence. Where I live now, has been in my family for 3 generations. We just quit claim it to the next generation.

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Tue 07/03/18 12:09 PM

That's what I'm saying. We make it out principal residence. Where I live now, has been in my family for 3 generations. We just quit claim it to the next generation.


American quit claim deed differs from our quit claim deed in Canada.

no matter what we do we cannot get around the capital gains, we can defer it but cant escape it.

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Tue 07/03/18 12:45 PM

For a 3 bed home... 2500$-3000$

Appartment, about 1500$ easy


Same here.. easy.

I know people paying monthly mortgages of $3,500 for a regular suburban home. I know people renting 2 bedroom garden apartments for $1,800. Hell it cost $25.00 per day just to commute to work, unless you want to try to swim the Hudson river.

So, the numbers put up by one poster do not reflect the real situation because it is based on one person living in what appears to be a low cost of living area of the U.S.




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Tue 07/03/18 01:30 PM
I live in a rural area. Less than 30,000 people in the county. Median income is only $42,000. My son works outside the county like a lot of the residents.
Atlanta is an hour away and cost of living there is much higher. But wages are a lot higher also.

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Tue 07/03/18 02:04 PM
wages are higher here too, no doubt. but it takes time before you are established enough to where you are making the kind of money it takes just to get by. On top of everything is expensive here... everything.

My sons stayed home a few years longer then maybe kids in other regions because they couldn't financially make it out there. and they both have skilled jobs. Other kids had to do the same as mine.
Eventually they made it but it took time to get up the Pay scale.

Its tough out there for young people here.. very tough.

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Tue 07/03/18 02:38 PM
I live here because the minorities in ATL are crazy. It just showed a man on the news who stabbed his sister to death for taking too long in the bathroom. :joy:

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Tue 07/03/18 03:05 PM
I would assume they are minorities where you live too ETW? yes

The problem isn't minorities its the ones (minority and not minorities) on the lower end of the economic scale that is the problem

You can go anywhere in America and find neighbourhood of upper class and the 1% and its racially diverse and you will notice opulence among other things such as a lower crime rate and a safer neighbourhood, compared to areas where abject poverty exist, of course its going to breed violent crime


Crime also affects better neighbourhood but you generally dont have to worry about someone car jacking you or breaking into your home.




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Tue 07/03/18 03:43 PM
It's 91% whites here. If you are poor, you are still expected to behave.

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Tue 07/03/18 04:34 PM
what is the other 9%

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Tue 07/03/18 04:39 PM



IMO,anybody that pays over $1000 a month for 'rent' is an idiot!!!

for that sort of money,you could be paying to actually OWN a house,and gaining equity,instead of just throwing your money away by renting.

so,'renting' is just another one of those 'bad decisions' that i was talking about!


I disagree there. You could be building equity or HUGE debt, because housing value is not guaranteed. Owning a house is not really owning it for most people as they have a prerequisite 10 to 30 years before it ever becomes theirs and not the banks, and if they want to move before that time, they also have the hassle of being able to sell it for more than what they paid in order to not come out behind. At that to the HEADACHE of HOAs and their fees and fines for every little thing, property tax, maintenance and landscaping ... and some dont feel its worth the trade off, equity or not.



i disagree!
cuz,even if you dont sell it for more than you paid for it,you can still come out ahead if you recoup at least PART of the money that you would have spent on rent during the period that you lived there,which is money that you would have basically just been throwing away.
so,technically,you could sell it for less than you paid for it,and STILL come out ahead.
not to mention that there are several things that you could do to improve the home while you are living in it that dont cost very much money,so it could possibly be quite easy to raise the value of the home for an investment of very little money,and make a substantial profit on it.
[especially if you did your homework,and made a good buy in the first place,instead of just jumping on the first thing that you saw.]

but,money that you spent on rent is just a loss.


so,it all depends on if you are content to just live in the moment,or to invest in your future!



id rather not have the headache, I like to get up and go easily when I want to get up and go ...



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Tue 07/03/18 04:40 PM








whatever class, people who are 'responsible enough" can afford all of it

my son, makes 3000 per month, he pays 900 for rent. He takes vacation twice a year. replaces his NEW cars at least every other year. is current on debt, has savings for both emergency and retirement, and has medical care


that is simply untrue about 'responsible enough'.

3000 a month is plenny. it would be irresponsible to make that amount and not be self sufficient, specially if he has no children.

the fact remains: everyone doesnt make that much. Many folks make less so if your point was that he has the lowest paying job and even he can take vacations because he's so good at budgeting....flawed.


$3,000 per month? ( $36,000 per year)? well I guess it depends where you live because in the Northeast.... that is not enough... not by a long long shot.


I agree. The numbers don't make sense. A person could get ahead on that amount but not if they are paying $900 rent and buying a new car every other year. Vacations vary in price. But it would definitely not leave any money for savings. Cars depreciate and the new car loans would be compounding. The rent is out the window.


they dont make sense to people who havent lived it

he has 2100 AFTER paying rent every month. He is young and healthy and has no dependents. His credit is excellent, so he simply trades in every couple years with the same dealer he has been with since his teens, being good for it, in a stable job with good credit, they make that deal with him ...

so with a car note, lets say 300 that means after paying the car and the rent he STILL has 1800 a month. if he spends another 800 on the utilities(for apartment), food (for 1) the gas and the insurance, that STILL leaves him 1000 a month.

Tell me how a young man with no dependents cant put something away on that budget?


$900 rent
$800 utilities etc
$300 car
=
$2000

Where can you get a New car for $300 a month? When you trade it in two years later more is owed on it than it's worth. So the next car payment would be even higher.



Here. In Las Vegas, NV. apparently....