=) which after this comes my question

U can not control what another does or says.... u can only control u.... so u be who u need to be and well the rest will come to play....

I have seen the same imposed on women.
So, what is it you are looking for in women, Kal.....cheaters, liars, etc. ......or a "real woman"..........
The implication that women turned men into cheats, jerks, etc. is very unfair and reeks of chauvanism.

Umm the question was why have women driven men to such acts? "stero-type" acts


Women drive men to cheat? Sounds like an excuse for poor behavior to me. Men do this of their own accord. (Of course, not all men, but the ones that do.)

But then again when it comes time to be your self, doesnt this somtimes leave you vulunerable? Seems that people nowadays have to put thier guard up in a chance that someone might just "walk away"?

If i had a short answer to the "real man" question i'd have to say....It's all relative baby, all relative...haha!

OOPs. thought the OP was at the top.

never mind.Sorry

Women drive men to cheat? Sounds like an excuse for poor behavior to me. Men do this of their own accord. (Of course, not all men, but the ones that do.)



Not saying specifically "cheating" since we make our own choices. However i am saying, People arnt born ass-holes.

Hell hath no Fury like a woman scorned...

To answer your question, I believe all men typically got the bad rap for the selfish horrible men because the women were hurt and as a defense, claim that all men are scum so they won't get hurt again.

I have no real Idea though, just a theory...

This isnt specifically me, i started to wonder other sayings "Niceguys finish last", "why do good girls, like bad guys" "says im just a friend".. Makes me wonder a little so id thought id post and see what negative feedback id get

Not saying specifically "cheating" since we make our own choices. However i am saying, People arnt born ass-holes.


Ya, but people have choices.....you make what you want out of yourself....if you want to be a cheat then fine. but then making excuses...well then thats not being a man(metaphorically speaking)

Well, maybe they aren't born that way.....but I've got a couple life long aquantainces that sure pretend well.....from infancy to beyond; the Natural Born A**holes......

because some are truly hurt and so they want to blame us and put us into naming those guys as well

but to tell dat most of us guys are jerks and playahs
is also a oxymoron itelf
cause girls can do tha same

I do believe some can be born such a way, for sake of the agrument im not going to go into the extreme here, granted you are correct. Im saying maybe women have somthing to do with "mens actions" .

Real Man
Composer: Todd Rundgren
Duration: 4:25

When I was a child
I thought as a child
I spoke as a child
I didn't know better
But now I'm a man
I look like a man
I'm old as a man
And I should know better
Got my head in the sky
And my mind knows what it wants
But my body just drags me down
And my world is something you can't see
But it's still very real to me
You can find it in the hole where I keep my soul
There it is - way down inside me
There's a real man
Forget about my body and be a real man

I see with my heart
I hear with my heart
I feel with my heart
Sometimes it works better
And some so-called friends put me down
And they pity me for trying
Bad emotions push me around
But the vision shines on and on
It will shine when we all are gone
And I'd like to add a little sparkle while I'm here
Light it up - way down inside me
There's a real man
Forget about bad feelings and be a real man

Some men's world is only hate and money
Afraid of everything and they laugh at nothing
And they only live to criticize
You can laugh at me now [ha ha ha]
But the time comes to everybody
When you must decide
When that day finally comes along
You might wish you'd been a little more strong
Then you'll wake up in the morning cryin'
"Oh my God"
There it is - way down inside me
It's a real man
You got to grow up sometime
Be a real man
Suffer them slings and arrows
Be a real man
Now be a real man
Don't sell yourself for nothing
Be a real man
Don't take no crap from no one
Be a real man
Get your trip together
Be a real man

Sorry folk I just had to put it here

someone sounds a little bitter

Me?

No one is accountable for another's actions.

Women don't 'create' men to be anything.

Men don't 'create' women to be anything.

People CHOOSE to adopt certain behaviours.


Casting blame on another is just the cowards way, of not doing the work necessary to be a whole HUMAN.

Im casting no blame on others, however i understand what your saying. Im proposing other thoughts to the table. Kinda the "if you want to judge, first look at your self" kinda thing. Im not openly saying women are responsible becasuse i would be rather ignorant would i not? Im however speaking to these women who are looking for "real men". Im asking them "Have you been preaching what you practice".?

It is really not that complicated at all, Kal. There are women who hurt men in terrible, unforgetable ways; Likewise there are men who tear out womens hearts and stomp on their spirits. There is good and bad in all of us. We have all caused someone pain at some time, so some of it may be Karma. Some is human nature. It also could be we have a tendency to seek out the same personality types repeatedly, thus why we are treated badly over and over. Everyone really just needs to take accountability for their own lives. Treat others as you wish to be treated, and always have your own back.