Still no plan of action?
I'll call back in a week

If you ain't tooled up, your not getting in

Actually, there are a few really good action plans in this thread alone.
The problem is, nobody in this thread has the power to place such an action plan into action.
Just like in the real world, nobody can seem to find the unity to make anything work.

Just heard (news) some company is coming out with a new game called "Active Shooter". The person playing can be the person shooting or a police officer but people are being shot. THIS IS SICK. It's also part of our societies problem. No doubt courts will let it go.

News story from Memphis, TN:

two gun toting burglars have shootout with home owner. The home owner and a friend walk in his home faced by two burglars carrying hand guns. Home owner reaches into a closet and retrieves his AK-47. A shootout ensues. Both burglars are killed. Police deem the home owner shot in self defense.

While the burglars got what the asked for I feel for their families. I assume this was a burglary for drug money. One wonders if ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN will cover this news article:

Semiautomatic weapon saves home owners life!

about as likely as they cover an illegal immigrant saving a life. Im for responsible people doing responsible things, and people who are actual THREATS being dealt with for their threat status, not their tools or labels.


Though I still dont support AK-47 in the civilian environment. A gun in a private residence, in response to a gun, makes logical sense.

They must have been useless burgers if he had time to get his Russian made rifle out of the cupboard

A civilian version of the AK-47 is semi-automatic. Automatic weapons are illegal for American citizens.

The big issue is how people with psychiatric problems are obtaining any kind of weapon. To the best of my understanding it is against the law in every state in the country for people with psychiatric problems to purchase or own a firearm. When one listens to the news weeks or months after a mass shooting the phrase psychiatric problems always surfaces. I'm not sure why but there are sectors in society that do not want psychiatric problems to be part of the discussion: which I find dodging the issue. If local medical professionals, police and even military know these facts why isn't this info being relayed to the people responsible for federal back ground checks?

yes,sensible gun laws ARE coming!!!
that is one of the big platforms that a lot of the new candidates who are appearing from the ranks of the country are running on.

all of the new real-time social media that we have available has made it impossible to continue to sweep the complicity of the current members of government with the super lobbyists of the N.R.A. under the carpet any more,and people have gotten fed up,and are demanding change.

and,if the current politicians are not willing to give them the change that they are demanding,then they will vote them out in november,and replace them with people that WILL!

the fact that the N.R.A. has to use so many scare tactics,and fake news stories to try to control the narrative just shows how truly desperate they actually are.

but,even when we DO get new,sensible gun laws,we still will not see a great deal of change,because the problrm is not actually with the fsct that the guns are out there,so much as it is that our society has run amuck with people who are not firmly rooted in reality.

they have seen this sort of thing play out s often on the news that,unfortunately,NOW,they think that THAT is the 'normal' way that they are supposed to deal with things,and do not have any close social circles to pull them back down off of the edge,like prior genaerations of people have.

so,until we make some radical changes to our SOCIETY,as well as to our gun laws,we are STILL going to be between a rock and a hard place,which people on BOTH sides of this argument are going to try to play to their advantage,disregarding reality in favor of their own sides ideals,instead of what is best for society as a whole.

there was somebody on a popular TV show a few years back whose motto was..."i reject your reality,and substitute my own!!"
unfortunatley,THAT is what our whole country has come to,nowadays,and until we realize that there is only ONE true reality,then we are going to continue to spiral further out of control as people with their own agandas grind their own axes.

Do tell.
Please enlighten us with this "ONE" true reality that you speak of.

Go easy on the exclamation points please.

The big issue is how people with psychiatric problems are obtaining any kind of weapon. To the best of my understanding it is against the law in every state in the country for people with psychiatric problems to purchase or own a firearm. When one listens to the news weeks or months after a mass shooting the phrase psychiatric problems always surfaces. I'm not sure why but there are sectors in society that do not want psychiatric problems to be part of the discussion: which I find dodging the issue. If local medical professionals, police and even military know these facts why isn't this info being relayed to the people responsible for federal back ground checks?

How can you differentiate between someone who is mentally unstable and someone who is just pi##ed off with a situation?

A mental issue will have a track record. Family, friends, school, business, police doctor, etc.The usual comment one hears is "we knew he had issues but no one did anything". Anyone can get upset with a situation but the VAST majority never take it to murder.

There are two other reasons:

1. Drug wars
2. Gangs

With Drugs and gangs most (at least where I live) obtain their guns illegally.

Well there is no such thing as sensible gun laws, guns laws for the most part punishes law abiding gun owners and for those who are not eligible for purchasing a gun they either obtain it illegally or through other channels .

All the gun laws you have in your country doesn’t prevent criminals from getting their hands on the weapons, every gang banger, organized crime syndicates all have guns.

Mental health issues have been a problem for 100’s of years, look back at every major crime since the turn of the last century and you will see the majority of the crimes were committed by those with mental health issues.

It’s only now Society is finally realizing that mental health is a major problem that needs to be addressed, not new gun laws.
Tell me how is gun free zones working so far in your country?

We have a gun free zone across our nation and look at how many gun crimes we have, every day there is a gun murder or shooting.

Anti-gun people can’t tell me that gun violence doesn’t happen in Canada.

Violence happens everywhere, as does theft, and rape and many other crimes. It is illogical for anyone to argue that a law eradicates completely ANY Crime, but it is not logical to therefore conclude laws are not needed.

Laws are what DEFINE the crimes so they can be prosecuted WHEN they occur. they also DEFINE the social and cultural expectations of a nation. Sometimes the law and its consequence can be enough to make the crime less appealing to those who might otherwise commit it. And those potential victims are saved by that deterrent, and the actual victims or their families can expect some type of justice for the offense against them.

what does that have to do with gun control?

it is in response to the statement

All the gun laws you have in your country doesn’t prevent criminals from getting their hands on the weapons, every gang banger, organized crime syndicates all have guns.

Except that Criminals dont give a damn about the law

Mentally unstable people hell bent on killing innocent people dont give a rats azz about the law.

some Irresponsible gun owners do care about the law and there should be laws to punish them for their irresponsibility.

Most law abiding citizens are being punished because of the aforementioned people.

To be fair msharmony, it's not criminals or gangs doing these school and mass shootings is it? Mostly it's crazy kids that get hold of there parents gun's! So less gun's about the less chance of it happening.

actually Mikey4you, less guns isn't the answer.

The answer isn't really simple, if you have less guns, criminals will have a field day, if you dont believe me ask anyone that lives in the inner cities in low income housing and most of them dont have guns, 90% of gun owners in those neighbourhood are gang banger's and drug dealers.

If you take away semi automatics, you will create an underground market for criminals.

And even if you outlaw them they will grandfather the clause and then you will see spike in automatic sales to beat the deadline

If you dont grandfather it and you make it all illegal, they dont have enough law enforcement to enforce the law and they you will have people who will not give up their guns and they will be branded as criminals.

And if you make everyone take a mandatory psyche test,it will hold up the process and that could be a violation of their second amendment.

There is no simple solution.