Well, Karmafury.

If you want to lean about the Christianity, then I guess you read the
bible. If you don't then don't read it. Reading the bible doesn't mean
you have to suspend your belief in Pangan/Wiccan either.
I have correspond with Pagan's and Wiccans who actually study the Bible.
They want to understand all religions. Because all religions have
important things to say that help them as well.

there are different religions because there are different faiths not
different Gods. One believes in speaking of tongues where others may
not. If you don't believe in God that's your privelage and your problem.
The bible, king james version) or whatever, speaks of things to come,
and so many things have. There are discriptions of things in the bible
done in times that there was no way to describe them other than with
what they had seen then but fits things we have here today.

ooops sorry different religions are for different gods, religions was
not what I meant i meant different churches.

hardmansoftwinkie gad and jesus make 2 gods? well if I have a son does
that make 2 of me? lol

OK NOW I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY IN REGARDS TO GOD. I MAYBE 33. I GREW
UP IN A BAPTIST ENVIRONMENT FOR17 YEARS. WHEN MY GRANDMA AND I WOULD GET
TOGETHER ON WEEKENDS I WOULD START THE TOPIC OF RELIGION. I ALSO STUDIED
THE BIBLE FRONT TO BACK AND BACK TO FRONT. I HAVE A READING DISORDER
CALLED MIRROR-IMAGE AND REVERSE-HEIGHT DYSLEXIA. I HAVE FOUGHT THROUGH
LIFE PRAYING FOR HELP TO OVER COME THIS DISORDER. I AM A SMOKER BUT IF
ANYONE CAN PROVIDE 2 SCRIPTURES THAT STATE "THOU SHALT NOT SMOKE
CANNABIS OR TOBACCO" I WILL BEG LIKE A DOG FOR AN ADDRESS TO MAIL
$200.00 TO. I HAVE READ MANY VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE AND I TO THIS DAY
HAVE NOT FOUND EITHER SCRIPTURE IN ANY BIBLE WHATSOEVER.

I DO NOT GO TO CHURCH AT ALL. I AM BAPTIST THROUGH AND THROUGH. I
NOTICED THAT NO ONE HAD STARTED DISSING THE BAPTIST RELIGION. BUT IT
SAYS IN AMOS 9:7 "ARE YE NOT OF THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL?"
MEANING WE ALL ARE DESENDENDANTS FROM ONE. AND THAT ONE IS/WAS ADAM. I
COULD THROW POINT AFTER POINT ARGUMENTS ON HERE. I HAVE BEEN TO 45
DIFFERENT CHURCHES. YES 45 CHURCHES THAT ARE SO CALLED BASED ON ONE
BOOK. I HAVE WON NUMEROUS ARGUEMENTS WITH THE "B.S.J.W.'S" AND WON TIME
AND TIME AGAIN. FOR 5 YEARS NOW WHEN THEY SEE ME ON THE STREET THEY
STUTTER WHEN THEY SAY "HI".THEY ALSO AVOID MY DOOR LIKE I AM GOING TO
KILL THEIR BELEIF AGAIN. THE KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE ON THE BIBLE HAS BEEN
CALCULATED TO THE POINT OF MY AGE IS 4,736 YEARS OF AGE. IN OTHER WORDS
MY KNOWLEDGE IS OLD BUT WISE. IT ALSO SAYS IN THE BIBLE THAT "GOD SO
LOVED HIS PEOPLE THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON". IF SOMEONE WOULD
DO A TRUE TRANSLATION OF THE WORD "SON" THEY WOULD FIND OUT IT MEANS
ARM! GOD BLESSE US ALL WITH UNIQUE TALENTS. SO GOD BLESSES ALL OF
US.AMEN.

ANYONE CAN PROVIDE 2 SCRIPTURES THAT STATE "THOU SHALT NOT SMOKE
CANNABIS OR TOBACCO"

I only got one. It's not specific, but it DOES say, that our body is a
temple and to keep it holy.

Now, that being said, I don't believe the Bible is against intoxicants
as Jesus drank wine. However, it's the abuse of substances that I
believe It is referring to.
When those substances become necessary for us to get thru the day, and
we miss them when we don't or can't partake, then I believe it becomes
"sinful".
I just don't believe that the person that comes home from work and has a
drink or two after to unwind after a stressful day, is going to heaven
while I'm going to hell cuz I smoke a joint after work to relax?? Just
because SOME tunnel visioned governments have made it illegal? Since
when does some man made law presume to speak for God?

Oh and btw, I have several pot smoking friends and with the repeal of
anti marijuana laws in Canada, they are now pardoned of the ONLY crimes
they've ever commited, which was the possession of pot.

I've even heard that in MASS (I don't know if this is a federal or state
law) those convicted of even simple possession not only get a criminal
record but they also lose their driver's licence. wtf???

We even had a Church of the Universe in our city for a while. Which was
a church of pot heads LOL

P.A.N.09 SORRY NO BISCUIT. I CAN ARGUE ALL YEAR ON RELIGION. BUT
REMEMBER MAN ADDED CHEMICALS TO TOBBACCO. NATIVES SMOKED IT AND
WORSHIPPED THE GREAT SPIRIT FOR ONE. THEY ALSO SAIDIN PRAYER TO THE
GREAT SPIRIT THANKS FOR TOBBACCO.

yep, they did joe, BUT, they didn't abuse it like smokers do today. The
KEY word is abuse. Yeah smokin a pipe from time to time isn't abuse.
Smokin a pack of cigs a day is..sry
It doesn't matter the substance joe. Food isn't a sin, but gluttony is.
It all come down to dependancy. Once you're dependant on something
besides God's Love, you have a problem.

tuche or is it touche{?}

it's touche lol...and ty. I definitely DO agree with you in principle
tho joe. There is nowhere in the Bible that says pot is a sin, nor
tobacco. Altho tobacco wasn't in use over there at the time, but I bet
opium was lol. Pot was too.

" but I bet
opium was lol."

Well, then dose that explain their hallucination then of a God or a man
that defied the normal laws of nature and walked on water and cured ppl?

No of course not. How heretic of me.

are you all insane? dont you know that no matter what you say or belive
in there is always someone who will argue it with you until you are both
blue in the face? joe is one of those i know he is my ex we had a few
"LONG WINDED" debates over religion,politics,the "evolutionary
theorhetics",the "BIG BANG" and numerous other things regarding religion
and political studies. so i once again ask who was the insane lunatic
who wants to start numerous arguments over such NO WIN schmuck i mean
really dont we all have better things we can dissagree on? lol.

LMAO...So true Fire!

aww since when do you dissagree with me there hun lol

HEY FIRE! YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TRULY LIKE WHEN I GET WOUND UP ON A
SUBJECT. MAINLY THIS TYPE OF SUBJECT. SO ENLIGHTEN THEM A LITTLE ABOUT
THE TRUE SIDE OF RELIGION AND POLITICS. HECK FIRE DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR
EX DAN ADMITTED TO ME THAT HE FIRST THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE "SATAN DRESSED
AS A WOMAN"? YEP HE DID. THEN HE SAID THAT THERE IS NO PROOF OF GOD OR
THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE. BUT THEN AGAIN HE WAS MORMON THEN ANGLICAN.OH BY
THE WAY HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN HONESTLY QUOTE 12 SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE
WITHOUT CHANGING A SINGLE WORD AT ALL? SOMEONE ON HERE SAID THAT THEIR
IS 12(OR WAS IT MORE?) DIFFERENT BIBLES. WELL THERE IS IN GRAND TOTAL 49
DIFFERENT BIBLES OUT THERE ALL TOTAL! I MAYBE LIKE I SAID BEFORE 33 BUT
KNOWLEDGE WISE ALOT OLDER.

OH I FORGOT SHANI(FIRE) ABOUT THE SLUT THAT IS YOUR AUNT "PATTY". THIS
"THING" PATTY CLAIMS THAT ALL RELIGION IS FALSE AND THAT LIFE IS JUST AN
EXPLOSION THAT JUST HAPPENED. FOR THIS THEORY TO BE TRUE THERE WOULD
HAVE TO BE A CREATOR TO CAUSE THIS EFFECT TO HAPPEN. THUS FAR THE
SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION IS A FALSE RELIGION THAT IS PURE BULLSHIT. THEY ARE
SO MUCH LIKE THE MORMONS AND J.W.'S THAT IF YOU ARE A MEMBER THAT X
AMOUNT OF YOUR INCOME MUST GO TO THEM AND IF YOU DON'T THEN YOU ARE NOT
ALLOWED IN THE CHURCH.MORMON'S REQUEST 10 PERCENT OF YOUR MONTHLY
INCOME, J.W.'S REQUEST 14 PERCENT, SCIENTOLOGY DEMANDS THAT YOU GIVE
THEM 45 PERCENT OF ALL THAT YOU
OWN.CATHOLIC,BAPTIST,PENTACOSTAL,ANGLICAN,LUTHERAN JUST ASK FOR A
DONATION THAT YOU CLASSIFY AS SUFFICE. ANY THING FROM A PENNY ON UP. NO
SET FEE OR ANYTHING AT ALL.

I really don't think you guys have issues with religions, I think you
have issues with God Himself. You don't understand
that tithes/offerings/alms/seed offerings are not man's ideas.
It is biblical. When I moved to SA, I was skeptical myself.
I believe in Amighty God, His Son, Jesus Christ, and His Holy
Spirt. So, me, myself and I did some research before I just
gave ten percent. I have the knowledge and understanding of
giving. I found a church in SA that focuses on restoring lives
of drug addicts, alcholics, and men that need a fresh start
getting out of prison. This takes a lot of work on the entire
church, not just the Pastor. He has to have committed, faithful men to
stick it out. They also need an income to do
effectivelly do this. God is all knowing and knows the heart of men.
There are more scriptures on money than you know.
If you understand that pretty, cute, lovely,beautiful,gorgeous,
etc. mean the same thing, you will understand that the different
transalations make the same point. For example, let's
do three transalations on tithes (10% of your All your income)
Then you can take this up with God and not pastors, preachers,
reverends, etc. I understand the issue of bling-bling pastors,
and misuse of monies in the church, but that's why YOU go before the
Lord and ask HIM to guide you to church or place where HIS work is being
fulfilled. I am a giver and not a robber. I am a cheerful giver. I am
obedient to God's Word, not
men's ideas, excuses or foolishness. I am blessed to be a blessing, not
cursed. God is faithful and having covenant relatinship with HIM is
awesome. I would rather serve in the
armies of the Living God than be cursed in all areas of my life. Study
to show yourself approved UNTO GOD( 2 Timothy 2;15 ). Where I serve God,
we all go with the Pastor to feed
the homeless, pray for the veterans at the VA Hospital, go to
homes and pray for the sick, clean their homes, do yards, bless
the orphans, send monies to missionaries in third world countries, help
the children from abused homes, children with
cancer, etc, and we are a small church in SA. If you REAllY
seek God with your whole heart, He will give you a pastor after
HIS own heart because He made you and HE alone knows what you
need and where you need to serve Him. God says to ask HIM for
wisdom and He give it freely to all who ask.

King James Version:
Malachi 3:8-10
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me.But ye say, wherein have we
robbed thee? IN tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse for ye
have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Bring ye ALL the tihtes into the storehouse, that there may be
meat in my house,AND prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of
HOSTS,If I will not open the windows of Heaven. and pour out a
blessing, that there will not be room enough to receive it.

New Internatinal Version
Malachi 3-8
Will a man rob God? Yes, you rob me.
But you ask "How do we rob you?
In tithes and offerings. But you ask, How do we rob YOU? In tithes and
offerings. You are under a curse-whole nation of you-because you are
robbing me.Bring the WHOLE tithe into the
storehouse,that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,
says THE LORD ALMIGHTY,and see if I will not throw open the
floodgates of Heaaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not
have room enough for it.

New Living Translation
Malachi 3-10
Should people cheat GOD? Yet you have cheated ME. But you ask,
what do you mean? When did we ever cheat you? You have cheated
ME of the tithes and offerings due to me. You are under a curse, for
your whole nation has been cheating me. Bring all the tithes into the
storehouse so there will be enough food in
my Temple.IF you do, says the LORD ALMIGHTY, I will open the
windows of Heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great
you won't have room to take it in.

I hope someone receives this lesson with their whole heart
because it's not my word, it's HIS.
I have so many testimonies of blessings from giving my tithes and
offerings from big to small. I was in a hit and run accident, and I
asked God to help me because He says to prove Him. Long story short, the
lawyer was only expecting a 2 thousand to fix my bumper and medical
expenses. It took a year
to settle. I got close to 8 thousand and I tithed with that also. I also
blessed my pastors with a thousand to further the
Kingdom of God or their personal expenses or for the church
maintenance. I was blessed to be a blessing! Thank-you Jesus!
Small blessing. I was going to go work a HS football game and
I was rushing, I hadn't eaten. I stopped by the dollar store to
buy a 25 cent oatmeal cookies cuz that's all the change I had before
payday. As I get in my car, I dropped my cookie, and
just said. Lord Jesus, I trust YOU in all things. When I got
to the parking huge parking lot, as I got off, there was a quarater by
the door on the ground. I looked up and thanked
HIM and I waved and smiled AT HIM! Then, I got a free hamburger
from one of the police officers at the game. I got a free coke
and nachos and one of the ticket seller decided for no reason
to bring a homemade cake and cookies. Now, that's blessing and
favor from the Lord. When the Lord blesses you, He adds no
sorrow to it, only joy! Halleluia to the Lamb of God! If you
haven't given your life to Jesus, you're missing out on alot.
Jesus came to give life and life more abundantly. Satan, the
father of lies, comes to kill, steal, and destroy. (from yourlife).
Choose you this day whom you will serve. Today is
the day of salvation, if you hear HIs voice, harden not your hearts.

Publicanimal9,
I will get back with you on scriptures about following
the law of the land and keeping your body holy. I do encourage you to
get a concordance. If you're going to study God's
Word, you need at least 4 different Bible transalations,
a concordance, a bible dictionary and a regular dictionary.
It would also help if you had a Greek/Hebrew Translation.

King James Version 2Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

New Internation Version 2 Tim 2:15
Do YOUR BEST to present yourself to GOD as one approved, a workman that
who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the Word of
Truth.

New Living Transalation 2Tim 2:15
Work hard so God can approve you. Be a good worker, one who does not
need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the Word of Truth.

The key is not to know Scriptures, it is to actually do them.
And by the way, with men it is imposssible, but With God, ALL
thing all possible. Be strong in the Lord and the power of HIS MIGHT!

Let the Apostles rise up!
Let the Evangelists rise up!
Let the Prophets rise up!
Let the Pastors rise up!
Let the Teachers rise up!

Let the ministry of the Prayer Warriors arise!
Let the ministry of the Interessors rise up!

Let's take the nations for JESUS!
LIFT UP THE NAME OF JESUS
PRINCE OF PEACE
SAVIOR
REDEEMER
LAMB OF GOD
ADVOCATE
THE RESURECTION AND THE LIFE
KING OF KINGS
LORD OF LORDS
HIGH PRIEST
BRIGHT MORNING STAR
AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR LIFE
MEDIATOR
TEACHER
RABBI
KING OF THE JEWS
THE HOLY ONE
MAN OF SORROWS
SON OF MAN
JUDGE
TRUE VINE
THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE
IMMANUEL
ALPHA AND OMEGA
JESUS CHRIST

Polytheism, Christianity......believe what you believe. I openly believe
in a non-Christian path of religion and no-one will ever convince me I
am wrong. To do so would be wrong. It always amazes me the "God fearing
Chritians" post some major statements on threads like this and get
soooooooo judgmental of those that believe differently. Wasn't it Jesus
Christ and YOUR bible that told you it was not for you to judge? Maybe I
just read your bible wrong.............36 times. Hahahahahaha. LOL
Everyone take it easy and stay true to yourselves and whatever you
believe. Hello Ghost and blessed be to all of you. Thanks for your input
CCP you do well at explaining OUR views.

A question to the Pagans, Wiccans and other type religions not including
christianity.
What do I get for not beleving in your religion/s and following it's
laws? (The Punishment or price to be paid). And also what is the upside
of such? (such as life/spiritual gains).