well there is a shortage of educated counters too, NH and Mich cant find any educated libs qualified to count.

The system was beautifully written in this case, I don't see anyone disputing the popular vote vs the electoral vote difference

only here?

you know, I did not expect Trump to win. I voted for him, but didn't expect him to win. I was reserved to what I thought would happen. Clinton winning. I think the vast majority of the people that voted for Trump would have accepted that, had it happened. And accepted it with class. Would we be " bummed out".. yeah.. for a little while, but that's about it.

Your candidate wins or loses. that is it.

And the vast majority of the people on Mingle who did chime in pre and post race and who did vote for Clinton took the loss with class.

The system does work.. an it did work.

apparently it doesn't 'work' for a lot of people

time will tell how it is 'amended' through the years

Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder,
(TARD)

The TARDs unhappy with the election results,
have made themselves, the entertainment.

An education doesn't guarantee better decision making abilities.
Higher I.Q. doesn't guarantee better decision making abilities.


Not really.
It's specious at best, moronic at worst.
"Stop labeling people racist, or bigots, throwing insults doesn't work anymore...talk to them, have a conversation with them!"

That's not really a solution, it's wishful thinking either having no clue as to human nature or possibly reality, or simply assuming your beliefs define reality for everyone else.

I mean look at the guy, he's ranting on a Youtube video.
Did he invite a bunch of people to have a conversation?
Nope.

Seems basic George Carlinesque "NIMBY." Not In My Backyard.
"You need to build more prisons!....just not in my backyard."
"You need to stop labeling and insulting and have a conversation!...but not me, I'm just going to rant on Youtube and tell you that you should do it."


The only thing that needs to be dispelled is the idea that a formal education somehow makes someone "smarter" or better informed and therefore the decisions made by those people are "better."

Look at the paradox of choice. Not all decisions need, or are helped by, more knowledge or information.
And in many cases a decision is hurt by more knowledge and information.
Different people choose a president as a means to fulfill different needs.

If we need need to dispel anything it's the idea that a formal education degree matters at all for highly personal decisions that fulfill a perceived subjective need.


Most of them will, given time.
As most were made by people who just don't matter.
Or won't matter for very long.
Do you really go back to public message boards from the 90's to source the condescending comments made by Clinton voters in the 90's against Perot that you just can't forget?


Only for people that don't really understand the system, or don't realize it's the "United States of America" and not "America, conveniently divided into randomly shaped states for no real reason or purpose" choosing to identify themselves as "Americans" and completely discounting the region they live in.

Since states exist, the electoral system is what makes your vote actually count.
California, Florida, Texas, and New York comprise approx. 1/3 of the nations population.
California itself has a population of approx. 40 million people.
Texas approx. 27 million people.
If you lived in most any other state your vote wouldn't matter at all, and every election would be decided by maybe the 5 most populous states in the country.
The electoral system helps equalize states representation in the election.

As a side and probably way off topic, what do you think is the "real" reason for Obama's pushing HUD mandates for building lower income and section 8 housing in more "affluent" neighborhoods?
You really think it's for diversity and economic benefits and racial lovey dovey altruism rather than a loophole for democrat gerrymandering?
Amazing things can happen when you shove a bunch of consistent democrat voters into districts that predominantly vote republican and thereby trigger the "winner take all" state electoral laws garnering all votes (or apportioned votes) towards a certain candidate.
But no, politicians never think in terms of how to do things like that.
They just worry about the people.

Exactly. The system works, but the sore losers say that it doesn't.

Guess what?

Its not going to be amended. Certainly not because a very very small ( a fraction) of the general public want it to.

This " system" has been in place since the mid 1700's, put together by the forefathers of our country. Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison.. to name a few. Time tested and accepted by generations of Americans.

This system has been accepted by BOTH side since then, to include most recently, Clinton and Obama... no complaints from them.. are there?

So, sorry, no one is changing anything.

I prefer to think those guys on my paper money knew more about this then any web surfer.

The Electoral College prevents a majority of states from being disenfranchised by a minority of states.

I think the 'real' reason is because part of his constituency is the underserved and impoverished, and CONCENTRATED poverty (poverty surrounded by more poverty) is one of the greatest obstacles a child can face,,, because an environment that has some hope and some success is better for children than environments with nothing but concentrated poverty, failure ,and hopelessness

thank goodness for the 'sore losers' who thought a womans vote should count

and the 'sore losers' who thought a black persons vote should count

and the 'sore losers' who thought slavery wasn't a good idea to continue

and possibly, one day, the 'sore losers' who think electoral college should be discontinued,,,

those guys new nothing about a population of hundreds of millions

or world wide web

this isn't our founders world,, it has changed,,,and some things may need to change with it

Alabama 8th-grader paddled for writing "Trump" on blackboard, parents say

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/11/alabama_8th-grader_paddled_for.html





What the hell are ADULTS doing ?
Inflicting opinion and pain and punishment on children. Why? Because they are children themselves having a temper tantrum, because they didn't get their way?

Why, is this country or the world acting as if Americans never voted before? And as if we are incapable of making a decision?

This is madness

lol

parents are doing what they have been doing on the internet, long before now

laughing at the reactions of others,,even their own children

Like the things you don't agree with?

Well, it would appear Clinton agrees with it as I don't see her bellyaching. Obama either. But then again, she realizes she lost.. fair and square.. by the rule.. that the Dems agree with.

And as I stated in another tread. The same situation happened in 2000... Bush.., was any attempt made to address this when the Dems took control after him.. for 8 years.

Any attempt at all?

two people ,regardless their position, do not make the whole USA

in 2000, resistance was in the form of recounts and challenging contested ballots

it was the first time this century with the disconnect between 'states' and 'people'

but neither candidate ran on a campaign of bigotry and fear


this is the second time this century and the president elect set a stage to put fear in many groups that he targeted during his campaign

Iowa lawmaker tells Trump protesters to “Suck it up, Buttercup”

http://wqad.com/2016/11/14/iowa-lawmaker-tells-trump-protesters-to-suck-it-up-buttercup/

WILTON, Iowa --

Iowa Rep. Bobby Kaufmann, (R) Wilton, is borrowing a saying for disgruntled farm hands to describe legislation aimed at anti-Trump protests.

"I have named the bill, 'Suck it up, Buttercup'," he said on Monday, November 14, 2016.

It's inspired by recent gridlock on Interstate 80 when drivers had to wait it out during a post-election protest.

The proposal is grabbing national attention and requests for interviews, sparking thousands of online comments.

"You've got a right to be a brat," he said.  "You've got a right to protest, that's constitutionally protected.  But you do not have a right to throw a temper tantrum on I-80 and put my constituents' lives in danger."

Kaufmann wants the House Oversight Committee to clarify state laws and look into fining Iowa colleges for any tax dollars spent on so-called "Cry Rooms" for students upset over the election results.

"Using our tax dollars when tuition rates are skyrocketing is absolutely unacceptable to me," he said.

But Iowa Rep. Phyllis Thede, (D) Bettendorf, says the proposal does threaten free speech.

"I don't want to go after somebody because they're fearful, upset or angry," she said.  "That's not what legislatures do."

Kaufmann thinks the bill will have traction in Des Moines early in the 2017 session.

Thede disagrees and calls it "kind of odd."

"The legislature can be a leader," she continued.  "Not by restricting them, not by criminalizing them, but by helping them -- helping them get through the whole process."

For Kaufmann, his farm saying could motivate A NATIONAL MOVEMENT

"People say, 'Suck it up, Buttercup, that's kind of over the top,'" he concluded.  "But so are the protests that are happening."

I've seen other examples of people comparing apples to oranges, but this one is amazing.

SMH

the heartache of defeat.......... try Alka-Seltzer Plus :)

no,, not if one is not jaded toward one side or another

throughout history , people have decided that how things 'are' and 'have been' is not good enough

any would fit the current charge of 'sore loser'