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A miracle is therefore something we can't currently explain.
a lack of knowledge is not a miracle ..perhaps the opposite "GOD" exists whether all you non believers disagree with me yep ... everything exist on the sci-fi channel just like the "Devil" exists as well..... probably the only character in the bible that didn't lie I know the entire world is going to wake up soon.. ah wake up come up out of their graves...The Zombie Apocalypse ...so it begins but right now most of you are like Sheeples all following each other believing their is no GOD aren't the sheeples supposedly refer to as being the Faithful ..sheep, lamb etc.... supposedly "WTF? in religion means "What The Flock" Some people will say Proof to me GOD exists... well I can say to that Proof to me that he doesn't exist? it's rather difficult to prove to someone that their delusion doesn't exist BTW you cannot proof me this cause you would know where to find him.
can't you find God inside you ...oh wait that's Gas No one has see Jesus no one knows what he looks like.. actually it's supposedly that no one has seen God .....Jesus is not God . But the Bible says some of the people have seen him... yes..as a talking burning bush and as a talking donkey Soon you will see a judgement day coming and then your eyes will be opened... when that day comes no one knows ... yep Jesus admitted that he does not know ....that's why he's not God because God knows I dont mean by going to church... church cannot save you only GOD can! excuses believers make so that they don't have to pay those tithes If you want to have a true relationship with GOD ... get out of Church.. and ask him into you lives.. that is the best advice I can give you.
actually that's the worst advice...because once you leave the church you're inviting Satan into your life |
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You say don't go to church. That is contrary to all the Christian religions which all build churches for their faithful to fall on their knees once a week. You say that is not necessary, the religions say it is a requirement. It is a 'mortal sin' (the most serious kind) for a Catholic not to go to church every Sunday. And whoever said the format, by which the Catholics use, is the example from God suffers from great DELUSIONS. No, the church (body)(people) met at one another's houses, they they broke bread together, they were a body that supported things beneficial to humanity. Buildings are a place so you can gather in greater numbers, nothing else. I can guarantee you if I picked through the scriptures on what we are supposed to do, the Catholics are doing it the opposite. The Apostles baptized you submerged under water, Catholics sprinkle you. And there are so many examples of what those in Acts did that the Catholics do just the opposite, like they baptized trinity. |
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...miracles are real and happen more often than none. only the close minded will not be able to detect differences and one from another because they don't believe they can see. An interesting concept. If (in your opinion) someone's mind is 'closed' does that mean they cannot see what you can see? Sounds like the circular flat earth arguments to me! I am delighted you do believe in miracles!! But no circular flat Earth here on my end, I love science and Mathematics too much not to see where its truths are found. I believe the miracle is much like you said, breaking the Laws of Physics. But the Laws of Physics were Thought and Designed by God, and He can break His Laws any moment He desires. And that is where the unnatural occurs, when God breaks a Law and your miracle is provided. You and I cannot defy these Laws, we are conformed to them. So for all of the miracles happening, equals to the Laws being broken, resulting in the unexplained, unprovable, connection between Creator and creation. |
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Yep, miracles are real!
It's a miracle that other humans suffer, starve and get raped and trafficked instead of us. It's a miracle that the homeless person on the other side of the street can suffer while you walk past pretending not to notice. It's a miracle that a wall can be built to keep out those seeking a better life. Yep, shore is a miracle, and God created people as equal? Yep as long as it doesn't affect your own dreamy little life! |
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I am delighted you do believe in miracles!! But no circular flat Earth here on my end, I love science and Mathematics too much not to see where its truths are found. I believe the miracle is much like you said, breaking the Laws of Physics. But the Laws of Physics were Thought and Designed by God, and He can break His Laws any moment He desires. And that is where the unnatural occurs, when God breaks a Law and your miracle is provided. You and I cannot defy these Laws, we are conformed to them. So for all of the miracles happening, equals to the Laws being broken, resulting in the unexplained, unprovable, connection between Creator and creation. I actually said the opposite of that. I believe in 'miracles' - defined by me as 'things we do not yet understand'. It is not possible to break the laws of physics. The clue is in that word 'law'. When something quite unexplainable happens we can call it a miracle until such time as science has caught up and offered a perfectly clear explanation. Then we can say that until recently, we used to call this phenomenon a miracle, but now we know better. There is no god involved, that sort of woolly thinking is nothing more than ascribing to a god all those things we don't yet understand. One by one these 'miracles' are demolished until one day the god concept is no more than a footnote in the history books describing something that used to be popular and is now discredited, just like the belief in a flat earth was popular until we learned better. There is no need to invent a god concept for all the things we don't know about. That is very lazy thinking. Just accept that we understand some things and do not yet understand other things. |
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I am delighted you do believe in miracles!! But no circular flat Earth here on my end, I love science and Mathematics too much not to see where its truths are found. I believe the miracle is much like you said, breaking the Laws of Physics. But the Laws of Physics were Thought and Designed by God, and He can break His Laws any moment He desires. And that is where the unnatural occurs, when God breaks a Law and your miracle is provided. You and I cannot defy these Laws, we are conformed to them. So for all of the miracles happening, equals to the Laws being broken, resulting in the unexplained, unprovable, connection between Creator and creation. I actually said the opposite of that. I believe in 'miracles' - defined by me as 'things we do not yet understand'. It is not possible to break the laws of physics. The clue is in that word 'law'. When something quite unexplainable happens we can call it a miracle until such time as science has caught up and offered a perfectly clear explanation. Then we can say that until recently, we used to call this phenomenon a miracle, but now we know better. There is no god involved, that sort of woolly thinking is nothing more than ascribing to a god all those things we don't yet understand. One by one these 'miracles' are demolished until one day the god concept is no more than a footnote in the history books describing something that used to be popular and is now discredited, just like the belief in a flat earth was popular until we learned better. There is no need to invent a god concept for all the things we don't know about. That is very lazy thinking. Just accept that we understand some things and do not yet understand other things. it's not possible for us to break the Laws, I agree with you 100% But in my experience, miracles are clear interference of what is taking place real time but you find yourself in a different place going to be ok. Now only, with a story of an experience that only You can understand. And you can think of it however you like. But the Laws were more than just broken, there were moments when an obvious Secondary Law was redirecting Physics itself. |
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You think........when you die....... you go to heaven.
yoooouuu do not. YOU COME TO US. besides.... there's only four humans in heaven. they are all cleaning ladies, and they speak Spanish. If you do not speak Spanish, and...... if you are not a cleaning lady.... you will come to us..... we are doing this upon The Powers That Be's, request. |
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You think........when you die....... you go to heaven. yoooouuu do not. YOU COME TO US. besides.... there's only four humans in heaven. they are all cleaning ladies, and they speak Spanish. If you do not speak Spanish, and...... if you are not a cleaning lady.... you will come to us..... we are doing this upon The Powers That Be's, request. Maybe the 'cleaning ladies' need to come back and do there jobs properly and get rid of the drug dealing child trafficking scum bags that roam about having miracles bequeathed to them |
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Sun 07/28/19 11:56 AM
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it's not possible for us to break the Laws, I agree with you 100% But in my experience, miracles are clear interference of what is taking place real time but you find yourself in a different place going to be ok. Now only, with a story of an experience that only You can understand. And you can think of it however you like. But the Laws were more than just broken, there were moments when an obvious Secondary Law was redirecting Physics itself. Again you make things too complicated! It's quite simple. As I have said the laws of physics are laws that can't be broken. Newton's laws had to be modified to take account of new discoveries that he could not possibly have made when he was alive. I can assure you that laws have not been broken. Never. There is no such thing as a 'secondary law'. Physics does not get 'redirected'. If you think that's true, can you give me the reference for several peer-reviewed journals that explain this? I think it's something you've just made up! What you call miracles and secondary laws are nothing more than things we humans have not yet discovered, just as all of the science we understand today was at some point in the past not yet discovered. I think you're being arrogant (a typical human trait among the religious) and think you already have the answer to everything. You do not. Nobody does. That's why scientists are busy discovering new things all the time. Testing their discoveries against thories that might help to explain and understand them. Even the 'Big Bang' theory is just that: a theory. It is the best current explanation we have of what happened at the 'start' of things. I am among those who have a slightly different idea. I think time is infinite, the universe expands to some sort of maximum and then starts to contract. It gets smaller and smaller until there is the most enormous explosion - another Big Bang - and it all starts again. Some scientists are proposing this as an alternative to the current idea that time itself started at the Big Bang. I have no idea what actually happened. Nobody does. People have theories that appeal to them. There is no room for the entirely man-made concept of a god in all this. Just doesn't fit in. Nothing more than another of man's arrogant feelings that we can't be just like animals. When we die, somehow our 'spirit' lives on in another dimension, like a badly written science fiction novel. Come on, grow up and accept that we are learning all the time and will for goodness only knows how many thousands of years into the future. KISS - 'Keep It Simple' is the motto I follow! |
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Sun 07/28/19 12:10 PM
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You think........when you die....... you go to heaven. yoooouuu do not. YOU COME TO US. besides.... there's only four humans in heaven. they are all cleaning ladies, and they speak Spanish. If you do not speak Spanish, and...... if you are not a cleaning lady.... you will come to us..... we are doing this upon The Powers That Be's, request. Maybe the 'cleaning ladies' need to come back and do there jobs properly and get rid of the drug dealing child trafficking scum bags that roam about having miracles bequeathed to them what's a cleaning lady gonna do about that????? besides, they've done their time, and some are my good friends. Maybe you forgot that this is ALL NATIVE AMERICA... From the tip of Barrow Alaska to Cape Horn, South America... These people, no matter how much you dislike them, were here always, since long before human history was invented... long before "borders".... You've been here, what? 500 years? You don't like it? I don't know what to tell ya... maybe you're one of them that wants us all to "go back to where we came from?" and maybe........ you follow suit too? I actually humbly asked the Cherokee, Addai Caddo, Seminole, and Ojibwe Nations if I can be allowed to stay here, and they gave me permission.... I would have left to Norway, Mongolia, and Senegal (my body's heritage) if they told me to pack up. Remember..... we might be far more than the sum of what we might appear to be. I have an IQ of 2... lick windows and drive the short bus. |
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Sun 07/28/19 12:40 PM
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Again you make things too complicated! It's quite simple. As I have said the laws of physics are laws that can't be broken. Newton's laws had to be modified to take account of new discoveries that he could not possibly have made when he was alive. I can assure you that laws have not been broken. Never. There is no such thing as a 'secondary law'. Physics does not get 'redirected'. If you think that's true, can you give me the reference for several peer-reviewed journals that explain this? I think it's something you've just made up! I speak of the LAW that created the Laws to which Newton spoke about. the LAW that spoke and the "BANG" took place. and from that "BANG," Astrophysicists confirm the Laws of Physics took shape. Are you noticing a pattern here, yet? First the BANG Second the Laws of Physics the ONE who caused the BANG to happen in order for the Laws of Physics to take shape and begin what they were designed for, would be that Secondary Law, Greater than All of the Laws, who redirects the Laws of Physics in the case of a true miracle. one to which there was nothing possible to stop the outcome, which should have been sure death, and one to which at least one of the Laws of the physics applied and were involved short circuited during the exact moments as the miracle took place. |
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Peer-reviewed journals?
No. Sorry but you're living in a fantasy world of gods, fairies and mythical creatures. I'm living in the real world where we learn about our planet and ourselves through careful research, announce theories, test those theories and move on to hypothesies, then finally to announcing a law. Don't be frightened to let go of your Santa Claus type beliefs. They really aren't necessary to living in the year 2019! |
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who reads journals, when there are more than enough things that have happened in my own life and time I have witnessed/experienced that no one has an explanation for. I have given scenarios to gifted thinkers and not a single one, even the over 51% of Scientists who believe opposite of you that there is a God, one on a personal level still had no answer for me.
Flukes and miracles were the only 2 explanation ideas given. And the 2 flukes was not even supported, it was the other option to miracle. By the way, in 2019, 51% of today's Scientist, whom you get your beliefs from, believe in the Creator God and personal Lord and Savior of their personal lives and families!! |
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Frankly, I find it amusing y'all need to argue about it?
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I hope I am not arguing, just attempting to explain my point of view. I wouldn't dream of trying to 'convert' anyone. Each to their own, but I have to contain myself when I see apparently intelligent human beings who appear to believe in these fairy tales!
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If you're going to quote statistics please be sure not to bias your quote to support your viewpoint. Here is the whole quote which gives a rather different perspective:
"A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view." |
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If you're going to quote statistics please be sure not to bias your quote to support your viewpoint. Here is the whole quote which gives a rather different perspective: "A survey of scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in May and June 2009, finds that members of this group are, on the whole, much less religious than the general public. Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power. According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power, according to a survey of the general public conducted by the Pew Research Center in July 2006. Specifically, more than eight-in-ten Americans (83%) say they believe in God and 12% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view." I polled correctly, And of course the general public and scientist are going to view things differently. That is rather obvious. My poll was between scientist themselves. Amongst each/one/another, there is a stark reality of 51% of those scientist believing in a Personal God!! |
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Frankly, I find it amusing y'all need to argue about it? it is amusing. the more i explain God, the more a certain poster has to announce his denial. it's funny to see how easily that poster is manipulated. |
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I hope I am not arguing, just attempting to explain my point of view. I wouldn't dream of trying to 'convert' anyone. Each to their own, but I have to contain myself when I see apparently intelligent human beings who appear to believe in these fairy tales! my intelligence is based and graded off a curriculum designed by humans my intelligence quotient is from knowing who God is that has given light to the subjects i enjoy most [Mathematics-Science-Idealisms-Philosophies-Doctrines] |
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actually you were contradicting yourself again and quantum leaping from Jehovah to Spinoza, which doesn't matter since according to you and Spinoza all men including Einstein are part of "The Borg Collective" actually, my mind works to where it reflects to how someone like Einstein, being Jewish, was raised and then became Einstein might have been conducive to specific patterns. I could mention several aspects applied to Einstein and be possibly correct. I am just going off things I've read from him, what others have claimed of him, his friend Max who claims his views of God challenge what most think Einstein envisioned. He believes later in life Einstein applied God into other areas of his idealism. No one really knows. But none of that removes or adds to his Genius!! is that the same magical tape measure God use to measure Noah's Ark because how else would it be mathematical possible for two of all the animals in the world to be able to fit on such a small thing... i think someone caught a glimpse of bigfoot on the ark in ancient mesopotamia times, cubit was an actual term for like how we say "yardstick," and it means 36 inches or 3 foot. this is actually ancient mesopotamia we are speaking about. imagine if the term God was also mistranslated and was actually meant to mean Satan ...this is why to even suggest that one word in the bible was mistranslated would mean the entire Bible is incorrect actually Satan, Lucifer are incorrect terms. these were the translated terms. in reality, the entity you speak about is called, "the Adversary." the wind must be taken into consideration since it is part of the laws of physics..the laws of physics is not like the passages in the bible that people get to pick and choose which ones to follow or not follow it's why Yeshua spoke about the wind to Nicodemus. he was explaining the Laws of Physics in terms of how to detect and see. |
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