Are you trying to say that God can make apples “fall” upwards and nuclear weapons give up mc cubed energy if m is the mass fissioned? I think that being a believer of such a God will be nothing less than being a gullible irrationalist, if not superstitious.

Outside the fact that once you get past Spinoza's valid attempt at physically characterising God (God is the only substance in the universe, and everything is a part of God. “Whatever is, is in God, and nothing can be or be conceived without God”[3].), he does make a bright action by giving skills to God.

He begins, ( Spinoza says that man’s ideas do not come from himself, but from some sort of external cause). And ends with God is "Thought and Extension."


So, due to God's Thought of Gravity, being something pulled to the bigger energy force. He could have Thought it to be just the opposite, to where apples do rise as they fall.

But what purpose would that serve when Gravity, Electromagnetics, Force, Energy, Speed have a purpose for keeping God's Thought together? It's only an explanation to attempt some form of logic at what we believe is happening. We only assume we know every Law of Physics. We have only given our terms to those we have witnessed. There is a Reason and actual Harmony to the flow of Everything. And those Laws that keep the Universe growing while individual Galaxies are being maintained, are also keeping Life itself in its many forms safe and subject to those Laws.

As once mentioned, to God, the Universe is contained. It's His Personal experience. It's like set up in a display that God oversees. Nothing would ever be able to grow beyond what and Who God is. So to us, as the Universe expands, it is reaching its purpose to God.

I do like Einstein, but sadly he had many learned traits. If he could have been gifted in his emotions, he would not have been a genius in his vision, he would have been someone who could relate on many levels and areas that actually mattered in life.

It’s a matter of opinion, as I already said in my first comment. We can give no authoritative answer, but only opinions.

In my opinion God couldn’t possibly think it to be the opposite and make the world a place where apples rise instead of falling. Coz God CANNOT disobey the natural laws.

“I cannot then believe in this concept of an anthropomorphic God who has the powers of interfering with these natural laws. As I said before, the most beautiful and most profound religious emotion that we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. And this mysticality is the power of all true science.”

Albert Einstein; from Peter A. Bucky, The Private Albert Einstein, Kansas City: Andrews & McMeel, 1992, p. 86

You say that in your opinion God can disobey natural laws. The only thing prudent here is to respect each other and continue to AGREE TO DISAGREE, for none of us is presenting an authoritative FACT. We’re both just presenting opinions.

I’d, not in disdain but due to my firm beliefs, call you a gullible irrationalist. You can wisely accept that. Just as I accept that you call me a COSMIC RELIGION IDEALIST.

No we NEVER do.


“His [Einstein] was not a life of prayer and worship. Yet he lived by a deep faith — a faith not capabIe of rational foundation — that there are laws of Nature to be discovered. His lifelong pursuit was to discover them...”

Abraham Pais, Subtle Is the Lord: The Science and the Life of Albert Einstein, New York: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. vi.

What we have found out so far is just what we know. There are things we’re yet to find out.

“I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.” - Sir Isaac Newton.

The point of my attention in the earlier comment was that what we have found out, despite being only a little of what all can be found out, is true. It’s not the set of all the truths, but it is true and cannot be falsified.

For God is “an orderly system obeying rules which could be discovered by those who had the courage, imagination, and persistence to go on searching for them...”

The rules that God obeys is the set of all the truths that can be found out. We know only a little of it, but we know something. And that something is part of the set of all the truths. God has to obey this something.

That apples fall according to Newton’s laws, is part of this something. God is bound to obey it. God can’t disobey it. He can’t make apples “fall” upwards. Just as he can’t make nuclear weapons give up mc cubed energy if m is the mass fissioned. Coz mc squared is what God has to obey, he can’t make it mc cubed.

sounds like Spinoza is preaching directly from The New Testament... and everything he said is based not on any evidence but solely on Faith ..this is why any belief in God including agnosticism and spiritualism automatically make one religious


perhaps that's why it's so hard to get something patent ...but anyway Spinoza clearly got all of his ideas from an external source (The Bible) ... could it be that Spinoza lacked any original thoughts of his own or perhaps was programmed not to think beyond the Bible? ...

Yes, God obeys the Rules He Created, because they are true in every sense. God may set in motion, but what diverts that motion is generally interference.

You do know, the God they are speaking about, they are claiming He did this by His Reasoning. The fact that it works and can be calculated, is just like what Galileo stated, "Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God created the Universe." He was Catholic, which most everything was Catholic back then.

And yet, Einstein defined his own beliefs based upon the Deity of Spinoza. That does not mean Einstein agreed with Spinoza, but that his idealisms were more in line with his own.

Einstein couldn't have based his beliefs upon Spinoza because Einstein was Jewish and males can only be jewish by making a special covenant with God and then cutting the tally off their whacker...other than that they're either Hebrew or an Israelite but not a Jew ..that's why being Jewish is of a religion and not an ethnicity because technically women can't even be Jews

OK so for one minute let's say every god and godess that everyone has believe in is true and cause they can all see and hear everything. Why don't they save the other ones people right there was all that with the Muslims being killed by the Buddhists in Burma so why didn't the Christian big fella come down and sort em out and say to the Muslims look guys I had to come and save you cause your mate didn't care.

Not every Deity and gods/goddesses were about the point you are trying to make. Some were made in the idea of war, others made in the idea of peace, so it automatically creates good vs bad scenario.

But you do make an excellent point because people do not have the passion to care for someone or themselves. People wanted the "Me Movement" and it has erupted to a complete full scale of my wants first.

No matter how much a message is stretched, the idea being understood is "Self," when it was instructed to be "Selfless."


It's a far cry from what should be happening. People have become complacent. Even leaders have lost their zeal and for some it's all about the "Big Show."

Personally, on his own account and merit of sound mind, he would easily have denounced his Jewish traditions. He was looking at a place somewhere within his current Universe, and was witnessing first hand at glimpses of serenity, harmony, peace, and determined this is Who God really is. And it does not have to match Spinoza's identically to be considered similar views.

What Einstein could not conceive, was the idea of this place of Awesomeness, Serenity, Harmony, Peace, being concerned about small matters like life.

And that is where we must remember that Darwin's Theory was meant to be a model of how we keep standards to continue learning. His Theory never was completed and he picked at it until his death, looking for his missing links and reasoning.

Einstein took for grant it the things he would not be aware of after their change, like the Theory of Evolution with proofs of DNA. It would be interesting to know, Einstein's thoughts concerning DNA.

perhaps it's best to denounce Jewish tradition before one gets the circumcision ..ouch ouch ouchhhhhhh...but other then that he would have to break his covenant with God and in doing so he would no longer be a jew ..maybe to him back in the day it was preferable to say you were a jew then a german


was that during the times Einstein was computating equations to create weapons of mass destruction capable of blowing up the world


for the sake of argument let's go with your theory about Einstein preferring the Spinoza God ...that would explain why he join the "Weapons of Mass Destruction Club" ...The Spinoza God being a God or anarchy with the sole commandment that all his creations simultaneously annihilate themselves from existence would fit right into Einstein's Plans perfectly

Circumcision is done at 8 days old. I doubt Einstein was concerned about traditions at the moment of his life.




It's very good he did not have the Tesla approach.



hahaha ok.

if a baby cries when someone is chopping around the family jewels it can be deem a sign of concern ...but anyway ...if Einstein was already circumcised and refuse to break his covenant with God which means he would stop referring to himself as a jew .. then what else could he have done to denounce his Jewish tradition when circumcision and a covenant with God was the only two things that matter


unlike Einstein ...Tesla's Approach wasn't to have his inventions dropped on Hiroshima ,Nagasaki and Bikini Atoll in relations (according to your theory) to Spinoza's God ...the god of anarchy

Einstein had an IQ around 160, I doubt he got up like other boys his age and thought like the other boys were thinking. I am sure the reason he was a tinker, thinker, problem solver, inventor, genius enabled him to excel in his earlier educations. School back then would be easy to handle gifted children unlike today's system. Today, you will learn more after all of your education just by surfing the web, and reading other thoughts and idealisms towards your questions.

But I hardly doubt Einstein was too involved in his biblical reading, although he had them memorized, he just had other views towards them. You are making him normal and caught up in foolishness. A genius is anything but normal!!



I'm sure the money he made off the patent, schematics, efficiency, success, was a nice chunk of change to help further his work.

Actually NO
But some people still believe it, I don't find any reason why

but you said that Einstein defined his own beliefs based upon the Deity of Spinoza and then you quoted Spinoza as stating that man’s ideas do not come from himself, but from some sort of external cause ....so which is it ...is Einstein a Genius or is he getting his genius ideas fed to him by an external cause ...because it can't be both


that would depends on the "External Cause" you are referring to that fed Einstein his ideas ...I'm still waiting on the big reveal..who is Deepthroat?


actually a genius is anything but omniscient which means one can be a genius in one area and dumb as a brick in another ..everyone is born with a special set of skills that would qualify them as being a genius in a particular area ..they just have to figure out what it is.. and that is why Einstein was just a normal person ..imagine if he as a jew existed during the biblical times...what area would he be a genius in that wouldn't get him stoned

I also assumed you would be able to understand that I was imposing the thought that we understood there are differences from a boy to a middle aged man in how his thoughts are molded. But that is not reflected in your thought processing.



To think in terms of God, I would believe Einstein would revert to man's idea of interpretation of what the Hebrew Scripture refers to.

But in terms of God, Einstein saw the Universe as being God itself. How it continually expanded away from him. And everything we can see and witness from pictures, included throughout the entire Universe; if there was and end to end view scope, this was Einstein's idea of God being Everything and working in its own Harmony.

So yes, he had 2 very separate idealisms of God. But he deducted by his terms of Reasoning that God was too busy being Creative as in examples of new stars erupting into life while some smoke out waiting to be consumed for energy. New life living off of the old life. The Same Concept works from the furthest point away, to the Laws in action enabling Earth to be, and past Earth to where that ending point may be. New life living off of the old life!!





Typically a genius suffers from a form or two of Psychological Disorders. We all see the same picture. Some however see that picture in their own way of understanding the meaning of that picture. This is where the fine line of Genius dances with the deception of Insanity and the view has 2 views where a choice is made. The majority of the time, the Learned Traits hide the few select Traits that give themselves away. But each one still has something quirky about them that can be spotted a half a moon away.

I do believe that Einstein was actually born into the lineage of the Hebrew People where he might be a spokesperson. More than just a Rabbi, but someone who Envisioned God being in touch with humanity like Einstein envisioned God being the togetherness that held the Universe together in a working order that no one will ever know the full meaning to it all.

wouldn't his I.Q.been the same whether as a child or an adult or with molded thoughts especially since you claim that the ideas were not of his own and was from an external cause ...you're basically saying that Einstein heard voices


so the hebrew God is the external source that was feeding Einstein ideas the same as with Abraham and Moses ? ...so are you saying that Einstein was a Hebrew Prophet?


mixing science with Faith makes Einstein a Scientologist ...


in that case there is only a handful of people on this planet that's not geniuses...but generally it's religion that acts as a litmus test for those that may have questionable mental issues

an all seeing being who sends you to heaven or hell?

no.