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I have been thinking about this lately. Crime rates are skyrocketing, assaults, rapes, kidnappings, pedophilia, rioting, cop killing, terrorist attacks. What if they created Law Enforcement units, vetted completely who are overseen by not other cops, we all know how that blue wall of silence works, but answer to a committee of say Congressmen or Senator's made up with equal numbers from each political party. Give them blanket immunity to do what they need to do to to go after the worst of the worst. The statistics don't lie. If a missing child isn't found in 24 hours, they are probably dead. If a murder isn't solved in the first 48 hours it rarely is solved. The criminals know the laws better then the cops, and they have no reason to talk. If getting a confession or someone to talk helps to save the child's life, solve the murder, prevent a terrorist attack or catch a rapist then it's worth it. This crap of the criminals having more rights then the rest of us is pathetic. This would send a clear message to criminals that were playing by a new set of rules, ones they cant adapt to and it will reduce crime. You cant adapt to Officer who have immunity to get information from you by any means necessary. Think about it. What if there was a terrorist attack that we knew was going to happen with in say the next 24 hours. We have someone who knows the details and we can prevent that attack if he talks. He knows the moment he is picked up for questioning to ask for a lawyer and the conversation is over. Take the same guy and you bypass the police station and hang his a$$ off a building, he will talk. I am not talking the wild west here and just picking people at random, I am saying people who they know are criminals who are tied to the crime or potential crime. It would work.   Like our Constitution and Bill of Rights hasn't been subverted enough over the last few decades?!
Back when the Constitution was written it was a much different time. They didn't have serial killers, child rapists, terrorists etc. |
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Edited by
nailcap
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Sun 10/16/16 12:42 AM
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I have been thinking about this lately. Crime rates are skyrocketing, assaults, rapes, kidnappings, pedophilia, rioting, cop killing, terrorist attacks. What if they created Law Enforcement units, vetted completely who are overseen by not other cops, we all know how that blue wall of silence works, but answer to a committee of say Congressmen or Senator's made up with equal numbers from each political party. Give them blanket immunity to do what they need to do to to go after the worst of the worst. The statistics don't lie. If a missing child isn't found in 24 hours, they are probably dead. If a murder isn't solved in the first 48 hours it rarely is solved. The criminals know the laws better then the cops, and they have no reason to talk. If getting a confession or someone to talk helps to save the child's life, solve the murder, prevent a terrorist attack or catch a rapist then it's worth it. This crap of the criminals having more rights then the rest of us is pathetic. This would send a clear message to criminals that were playing by a new set of rules, ones they cant adapt to and it will reduce crime. You cant adapt to Officer who have immunity to get information from you by any means necessary. Think about it. What if there was a terrorist attack that we knew was going to happen with in say the next 24 hours. We have someone who knows the details and we can prevent that attack if he talks. He knows the moment he is picked up for questioning to ask for a lawyer and the conversation is over. Take the same guy and you bypass the police station and hang his a$$ off a building, he will talk. I am not talking the wild west here and just picking people at random, I am saying people who they know are criminals who are tied to the crime or potential crime. It would work. Like our Constitution and Bill of Rights hasn't been subverted enough over the last few decades?!
in order to avoid the whole national wide loss the faith. thses two chapter should be denfending by the will of people of america forever. i don't against the obama's gun's controling solution but at least the civiliance still can be remain bearing sidarm. unless they needs more debates to proving the security is far more effective then civiliance their self. i don't want to recalling those huge details about the debates both loan but factors proving. |
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Easy way to lower crime rates?...raise up our kids right...teach 'em right from wrong...morals and such!!
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Easy way to lower crime rates?...raise up our kids right...teach 'em right from wrong...morals and such!! too old-fashioned they will tell you! |
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I have been thinking about this lately. Crime rates are skyrocketing, assaults, rapes, kidnappings, pedophilia, rioting, cop killing, terrorist attacks. What if they created Law Enforcement units, vetted completely who are overseen by not other cops, we all know how that blue wall of silence works, but answer to a committee of say Congressmen or Senator's made up with equal numbers from each political party. Give them blanket immunity to do what they need to do to to go after the worst of the worst. The statistics don't lie. If a missing child isn't found in 24 hours, they are probably dead. If a murder isn't solved in the first 48 hours it rarely is solved. The criminals know the laws better then the cops, and they have no reason to talk. If getting a confession or someone to talk helps to save the child's life, solve the murder, prevent a terrorist attack or catch a rapist then it's worth it. This crap of the criminals having more rights then the rest of us is pathetic. This would send a clear message to criminals that were playing by a new set of rules, ones they cant adapt to and it will reduce crime. You cant adapt to Officer who have immunity to get information from you by any means necessary. Think about it. What if there was a terrorist attack that we knew was going to happen with in say the next 24 hours. We have someone who knows the details and we can prevent that attack if he talks. He knows the moment he is picked up for questioning to ask for a lawyer and the conversation is over. Take the same guy and you bypass the police station and hang his a$$ off a building, he will talk. I am not talking the wild west here and just picking people at random, I am saying people who they know are criminals who are tied to the crime or potential crime. It would work. the problem is in a country where people are 'innocent' until 'proven' guilty ,, the precognitive idea of KNOWING someones guilt conflicts with their rights,,,,, I would not be willing to give that up about the only verifiably consistent proof is dna and that even only proves there is some connection and not who committed a crime,,,,,eye witnesses can be wrong and people can be coerced into making confessions,,,,,,I wouldnt trust someones 'knowing' guilt before it is ever proven as justification to have no boundaries in how we treat others,, at least you are thinking about it,, but I think the common denominator amongst those 'proven' criminals across jails is that they are most often undereducated and impoverished attacking those two areas : Improving education and decreasing poverty, would go a long way to decreasing crime,, people who have more have more to lose,, people who have less do not and may therefore be more desperate and willing to turn to crime I am not talking beating a confession out of someone I am talking to use any methods necessary to catch a serious criminal and get him\her off the streets. 'any methods necessary' would include beating but there are ways to coerce confession without ever laying a finger, by lying about evidence, or witnesses or alternate consequences and feeding the 'suspect' details and only requiring them to repeat what you have said as the 'confession' denying them food or water for hours on end and lying about how much 'better' the consequence of said confession will be... emotional and mental battery can be just as effective as physical Yes, beating not to get a confession. Beating of a know accomplice of the suspect to get the location of an offender. Once the offender is in custody then they can get the confessions the old fashioned way. |
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Easy way to lower crime rates?...raise up our kids right...teach 'em right from wrong...morals and such!! too old-fashioned they will tell you! 
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I am not talking the wild west here and just picking people at random, I am saying people who they know are criminals who are tied to the crime or potential crime. It would work. Like our Constitution and Bill of Rights hasn't been subverted enough over the last few decades?!
Back when the Constitution was written it was a much different time. They didn't have serial killers, child rapists, terrorists etc. Maybe you should ask an Indian or slave about back then. The laws were different and there weren't as many people but child rape was very common,they were out to wipe out the Indians. Slaves were often used as toys by their owners, and many crimes were not reported or taken care of in other ways. There has always been crime, there always will be crime. Today we have the Media that makes crimes known on a national level as in the past we may have not known about them. The threat of prison may stop most people from commuting crimes, but often in the heat of the moment that isn't a concern. Many of they people commiting crimes have no regard to life, including their own. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 10/16/16 10:46 AM
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truth be told, the work needed is working on poverty and education
coping skills are not what they used to be in a culture that has learned to expect such instant results and gratification in every area of life its hardest to cope when you or your family are struggling to eat or have shelter or just to live someplace that is decent (clean and secure) its hardest to cope when substantial work/income opportunities are not offered the combination of a culture of INSTANT, and the problems of poverty and subpar education are a deadly combination,, but if attacked will most likely precede a decrease in 'violent' crime as far as any means necessary to catch criminals innocent until 'proven' guilty these methods make police into judge and jury as well,,, presuming they can 'know' the guilt before it is proven,,,, |
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Yes, beating not to get a confession. Beating of a know accomplice of the suspect to get the location of an offender. Once the offender is in custody then they can get the confessions the old fashioned way. i don't believe you have the mental capacity to comprehend what you are advocating by making statements like this one....you should be ashamed of yourself... btw...you don't GET confessions the "old fashioned way" or any other way... confessions are GIVEN freely without coercion...at least they are in America... |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sun 10/16/16 11:25 AM
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PC, an economy broken by too many rules, taxes and regulation, bad trade deals costing us higher paying jobs, entitlements to illegals, lawmakers who don't have to live under the laws they create, lack of enforcement to existing laws or selective enforcement, manipulated markets and monetary policy, a corrupt justice system, the lack of morals and ethics in leadership, and the decline of the competitive will by legislation destroying the family value along with the American Dream..... It affects all, not just black.... or white.... lives! Our leaders and lawmakers have regulated us away from the values and laws set forth in our founding documents, assumed power they were never meant to possess, and the results are the world of today! Blame whoever or whatever makes you sleep better at night, but the rule of thumb is to follow the money.... and it's not here at the lower echelons of society where most reside! It begins with a respect and moral compass for the face in the mirror! |
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I really almost hate to bring this up because a lot of people have a problem with reality. But Evolution and Domestication have a fair amount to do with things. People that lived in the jungle 3 or 4 generations ago don't have the same workings as people that have been farming for thousands of years and in no way would I ever have the book smarts of someone who descends from India. Its nature, maybe you have a dog that has been domesticated for hundreds of years, however you would not bring a wolf into your house. It takes many generations for things to change, and depending on the reasons for adaptation it may not happen at all. Unless you want to get into rewiring peoples brains we just have to find ways to deal with the fact that there are, and always will be differences. They are now starting to explore DNA and can find "Evil" people. Do we do the test at birth? Do we lock them up? Or do we destroy them. Is science the future of fighting crime? Is understanding evolution the key to fighting poverty? There are jobs out there, and people looking jobs. What do we need to do to get things to happen? Better education does nothing if its not being used. Its really hard for me to get something done while I'm holding someones hand, at some point they have to let go and take care of themselves!
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I dont believe and will never trust science to define or find 'evil' , since it is an arbitrary concept to begin with
I dont buy that anyone is just born evil or that we can scientifically weed out babies based upon some scientific tests people can have identical dna(twins), and yet turn out totally different,, so the DNA and evolution argument dont really fly humans are impacted and constantly changing based upon their experiences in this world AFTER they are born,, |
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BTW Lie Detectors are not 100% accurate. I can tell you multiple ways to beat a polygraph right now. Just like the Wicklander and Reid methods I use on a daily basis aren't always 100%. Given the two facts above What criteria would you suggest for knowing some one is guilty of withholding information that is worth side stepping their human rights to extract the information? |
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Easy way to lower crime rates?...raise up our kids right...teach 'em right from wrong...morals and such!! The Man in the Glass Author Unknown When you get what you want in your struggles for self And the world makes you king for a day, Just go to a mirror and look at yourself And see what that man has to say. For it isn't your father or mother or wife Whose judgment upon you must pass, The fellow whose verdict counts most in your life Is the one staring back from the glass. Some people might think you're a straight-shooting chum And call you a wonderful guy. But the man in the glass says you're only a bum If you can't look him straight in the eye. He's the fellow to please, never mind all the rest For he's with you clear to the end And you've passed your most dangerous test If the guy in the glass is your friend. You may fool the whole world down the pathway of years And get pats on the back as you pass But your final reward will be heartache and tears If you've cheated the man in the glass. Unknown Author |
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