Topic: Toronto: #BLM Shuts Down Gay Pride Parade
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Mon 07/11/16 06:36 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Mon 07/11/16 06:36 PM
when we don't do what a cop says to do, we get shot just as quick...


Absolutely. Not too long after the ferguson fiasco, a white man decided to commit suicide by cop.

He aggravated the police and waved an air gun at them, and they shot him dead. He had a note in his pocket saying he was sorry for being such a coward and traumatising the police, but that he wanted to die and wasn't willing to pull the trigger himself.

I found this interesting because one of Michael Browns relatives commented on some suicidal thoughts that Michael Brown had been having before he forced the police to shoot him.

Too many black people have a victim complex. They celebrate their perceived victimhood. They don't want to take any responsiblity for their lives, they just want to blame 'racism'. Its truly bizarre behavior in 2016. Generations of black people before them had lived through rather severe racism; black people in the USA today have more freedom, more rights, and more wealth than most people have had throughout all of human history.

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Mon 07/11/16 06:41 PM



As I see it, parties on both sides of this argument don't want to hear what the other side has to say.

For example, if a white party has a legitimate grievance against a black party, then the former will be accused of being a bully who is trying to silence a victim.

Acknowledging that all races are equal means acknowledging that all racial parties may have legitimate grievances.



I agree , 'legitimate' being a subjective standard




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Mon 07/11/16 06:41 PM
I consider it possible that an individual police officer might treat blacks more harshly than whites.

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Mon 07/11/16 06:42 PM

Yes, black lives do matter.. so I suggest they stem the tide of black on black crime... thus stop killing their own. Seems like a good start.. a logical start.




Most BLM activists who are active on twitter have NO interest in reducing black violence against black people. Worse, they are in denial of the basic facts. They insist that there is no issue here - that the stats are made up. Or they insist that black violence is a result of white racism. laugh




and there is no 'start' , there are many different areas for improvement and many different people and groups to address the simultaneously


It seems that most BLM activists have no desire to make any improvement, they just want to cultivate hatred and intolerance.

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Mon 07/11/16 06:46 PM

when we don't do what a cop says to do, we get shot just as quick...


Absolutely. Not too long after the ferguson fiasco, a white man decided to commit suicide by cop.

He aggravated the police and waved an air gun at them, and they shot him dead. He had a note in his pocket saying he was sorry for being such a coward and traumatising the police, but that he wanted to die and wasn't willing to pull the trigger himself.

I found this interesting because one of Michael Browns relatives commented on some suicidal thoughts that Michael Brown had been having before he forced the police to shoot him.

Too many black people have a victim complex. They celebrate their perceived victimhood. They don't want to take any responsiblity for their lives, they just want to blame 'racism'. Its truly bizarre behavior in 2016. Generations of black people before them had lived through rather severe racism; black people in the USA today have more freedom, more rights, and more wealth than most people have had throughout all of human history.




we can agree on that, too many black people have a victim complex and too many white people have a superiority complex,,,where inferior character of black people, allegedly, is the only reason for their woes and racism cant possibly still be a reason for systemic problems

having more of what you were supposed to have anyway isn't the same as having everything you are supposed to have

certainly, a woman who was beaten , forbidden to leave the home, and repeatedly raped, can feel some relief if hubby stops beating her and raping her,, but that has nothing to do with whether she should feel good enough to continue therefore putting up with being locked away,,,,just because she has 'more' freedom,,,



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Mon 07/11/16 06:48 PM


Yes, black lives do matter.. so I suggest they stem the tide of black on black crime... thus stop killing their own. Seems like a good start.. a logical start.




Most BLM activists who are active on twitter have NO interest in reducing black violence against black people. Worse, they are in denial of the basic facts. They insist that there is no issue here - that the stats are made up. Or they insist that black violence is a result of white racism. laugh




and there is no 'start' , there are many different areas for improvement and many different people and groups to address the simultaneously


It seems that most BLM activists have no desire to make any improvement, they just want to cultivate hatred and intolerance.



'seems' is right, with no actual facts to back it up


but twitter, yeah, good name for most the posts I have read there,,,twits


people taking the time to participate in these vigils and protests however, 'seem' to me to be people that want to see something change

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Mon 07/11/16 06:50 PM

I consider it possible that an individual police officer might treat blacks more harshly than whites.


it is possible, but even if it cant be agreed that is the case,, the accountability for those police who haven't done their job and the screening for police that are going to be able to do their job


appears to be lacking in many communities



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Mon 07/11/16 06:57 PM
Edited by massagetrade on Mon 07/11/16 07:01 PM


It seems that most BLM activists have no desire to make any improvement, they just want to cultivate hatred and intolerance.



'seems' is right, with no actual facts to back it up


Its an obvious fact that many BLM activists seek to cultivate hatred and intolerance. I can't say 'definitely most' because I'm not aware of any polls, and I don't know how many people are silently participating in BLM activism. The overall rhetoric, however, which comes from BLM activists across the country (and in Canada as well) demonstrates how hateful and self absorbed the movement has become.


but twitter, yeah, good name for most the posts I have read there,,,twits


Many recognized leaders within the BLM movement use twitter. You can see the thoughts and feelings of the BLM leaders in their own words, uncensored and undistorted by journalists.

people taking the time to participate in these vigils and protests however, 'seem' to me to be people that want to see something change


(Edited to add) The most frightening aspect of the BLM movement (and SJWs in general) is that there are well intentioned people who are being manipulated by the rhetoric and the belief systems of the thought leaders, and are wholly unaware of how they are participanting in making the world a uglier, more hateful place.

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Mon 07/11/16 07:00 PM
I agree here too

there are parasites, that attach to legitimate causes and use them for illegitimate gains


especially during the early years of a new movement

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Mon 07/11/16 07:07 PM
On a technical side note, I'd like to say that I found the use of Periscope interesting during the protests.
If you don't know what it is, its an app that let's people live stream events and view them via their twitter acct.
I was able to follow the Baton Rouge protests fairly well....with the right streamer of course....and even the ones wanting to spew commentary more than stream events had their moments....hilariously stupid moments, but moments nonetheless.

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Mon 07/11/16 07:09 PM

there are parasites, that attach to legitimate causes and use them for illegitimate gains


This is interesting. See, I actually agree with several points on the following platform:

http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

But who gets to define the 'real movement'?

I judge the BLM movement based on the behavior and words of the people who say they are BLM activists.

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Mon 07/11/16 07:10 PM

point is, police are paid and trained and given resources to both serve and protect,, not to be juror and executioner

and if there is a problem with some officers choosing lethal force before deescalation, those officers need to be held accountable by the system

point blank. PERIOD




There's no question, the justice of it all needs to come from independent inquiries into the killings. Here, there's a policy of a different police force that investigates, if the shooting was by municipal cops, they get investigated by provincial cops.

Police wouldn't need to de-escalate if the subjects relaxed on the escalation part. Black or white BLM is not helping

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Mon 07/11/16 07:12 PM
in every system,, the good and the bad

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Mon 07/11/16 08:34 PM





Yea they high jacked that otherwise pleasant parade, as far as i'm concerned, they lost any credibility and their demands makes this even more of a farce, the legitimate black community should denounce this embarrassment right away and replace the leaders with quality representation but they can't attract anyone able to guide the movement properly, it was created out of hate and in that case should be dissolved.


Soros has a different agenda for the BLM right now, he's trying to divide the people so the dems can stay in control of the government...

has anyone noticed how they are not educating the people on not arguing with the police? they blame the police in every case a black man gets shot, while never saying anything about just being nice to the police in the first place...

all people have to do is do what the police tells you to do, and the shootings will slow way down/stop...



also, if people learned less inherent fear and bigotry for black males,, the shootings would slow way down

disobedience to authority should never be acceptable reason for death,, except in the case of defense FROM lethal force, or penalty for taking life


fewer slaves would have died if they had been 'obedient',, but should their lives have hinged on how obedient they were? no


the only "inherent fear" is the lie black people keep telling themselves that everyone is against them...

slaves this, slaves that... get over it, not one black alive today has ever been a slave...

in case you forget, white people have to deal with the same laws as well, and when we don't do what a cop says to do, we get shot just as quick...

so just cry me a river on your "poor black man" speeches, it only works with the stupid liberals that don't know any better than to listen to these lies...


this is not about black and white,, that is the lie some white people tell themselves as an excuse to be dismissive and unconcerned and well, ,superior




laugh laugh laugh


why should i be concerned? when a cop tells me to put my hands up, i put my hands up... when a cop tells me to take my hands outa my pockets, i take my hands outa my pockets... whatever the police tell me to do, i do it, without mouthing off... it's not that hard, and it has nothing to do with my color... dismissive and unconcerned? sure, why not? i'm not mouthing off to cops and i do what they tell me to do... and a cop has never even pulled his gun outa their holster on/around me...

so, please continue to spread the stupidity around, whenever a young black man reads it from a nice black lady, it's just lowering his chances of surviving a police encounter because he reads and believes the message you, the BLM and obarry are spreading...

in other words, you're doing the KKK and skinheads work for them by continually saying it's all the police's fault...

sad thing is, only a few black people seem to understand what i'm saying here... Ben Carson and David Brown (Dallas police chief) are among the few...


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Mon 07/11/16 08:36 PM
sad thing is when non black people feel like such experts on what black people are experiencing and why....that they need to advise said black people about it,,

shrugs

no concern for the unconcerned,, many others are


what ever floats your boat

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Mon 07/11/16 08:45 PM
If anyone cares to read it, a recently-published Harvard study reveals that "On non-lethal uses of force, blacks and Hispanics are more than fifty percent more likely to experience some form of force in interactions with police."

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Mon 07/11/16 08:48 PM

sad thing is when non black people feel like such experts on what black people are experiencing and why....that they need to advise said black people about it,,

shrugs

no concern for the unconcerned,, many others are


what ever floats your boat


my boat is afloating... so, please don't let me interrupt you on your white racist comments, you're really getting your message out there...

i'll just sit back and pretend i'm an expert on what black people are feeling and thinking...

funny thing is that people are people, we all have the same feelings and goals in life... but from what you just said, blacks are different from the rest of the world, and only blacks can understand other blacks...drinker

so by all means, keep arguing with the police and getting killed, that seems to be the smartest thing to do... i'm not as smart as the black folks, but like i said, the cops have never pulled a gun on me... the only logical reason is because i'm white, right??...laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 07/11/16 08:54 PM
point out anything I posted that initiated racism,(not responding to it) and we can address it


its not rocket science that people are people

but what is not so easy for some to understand is that demographic, by their very nature , are DIFFERENT



as far as us all being the same, does that mean men can tell women what cramps feel like? no, we don't all have the same experience and feelings

implying the killing of blacks by cops is a simple matter of some inferior character of not being obedient enough is insulting


but many continue to excuse the real loss and injustice that many black people are finally speaking up about by pointing out some other irrelevant flaw some of them may have


so, yeah, whatever floats your boat,, be unconcerned with whatever isn't hurting you, its your perogative

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Mon 07/11/16 09:07 PM

point out anything I posted that initiated racism,(not responding to it) and we can address it


its not rocket science that people are people

but what is not so easy for some to understand is that demographic, by their very nature , are DIFFERENT



as far as us all being the same, does that mean men can tell women what cramps feel like? no, we don't all have the same experience and feelings

implying the killing of blacks by cops is a simple matter of some inferior character of not being obedient enough is insulting


but many continue to excuse the real loss and injustice that many black people are finally speaking up about by pointing out some other irrelevant flaw some of them may have


so, yeah, whatever floats your boat,, be unconcerned with whatever isn't hurting you, its your perogative


if i don't understand blacks enough to offer my opinion on what they could do to stop the problem, then why would anyone expect me to care? solve your own damn problems, since whites just aren't smart enough...

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Mon 07/11/16 09:12 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 07/11/16 09:15 PM
no, smart people come in all races


smart is not racial

condescending is not either

but smart people don't condescend about what another demographics concerns are in THEIR communities by telling them what they should be concerned about 'first' or instead