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I don't know anyone in the group or anyone that knows anyone those who publicly admit to being a part of it seem like decent and hard working folk all those Hollyweird-People? Leah Remmi and Katie Holmes didn't have anything good to say after they "excaped"... and i believe them, they both looked scared and exhausted... and you can bet they are still being hounded! |
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Yeah, Lpdon, "scientology" is defined in my "book" as being a "cult", a cult of enslavement, secrecy and some really, really strange practices. From what I have heard and read about, L. Ron Hubbard was more than a bit wacky and most, if not all, of "scientology" smacks of New Age quackery. And this is coming from my own purely non-religious agnostic point of view on religions in general and the "scientology" cult in particular. I'm not saying they don't have the right to be crazy, but they should be grouped in with the Heaven's Gate cult crazies, the Westboro Baptist Church clown parade and the Harold Camping "End Of The Universe Times" freaks! "Scientology" isn't a religion. Just because you can successfully bully the U.S. Government into granting you tax-exempt status DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RELIGION OR CHURCH!!! Don't believe me? Look to Russia! The "Church of Scientology" is BANNED in Russia. Seems old Vlad Putin is good for something after all, eh? It was banned in Germany (now there are warning labels anywhere near a Scientology center on their materials and there are many other countries it is flat out illegal in. They also have to have printed on their E-Meters that it is not a medical device. If you want to see something really interesting. It is the most accurate documentary on Scientology ever made. It has former high ranking Scientologists who escaped the church, including the guy who was second in command to David Miscavige and second in charge of Scientology, Their former spokesman and several Hollywood Actors and Driectors who have left after realizing the truth. You should check it out. You can stream it on Amazon, Netflix and HBO it won several Emmy's and also won at the Sundance film festival. It's called Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. It is a must see for everyone! That does sound interesting. Too bad it's on Netflix and HBO "paid only" streaming. I'm unemployed and broke, so I'll never be able to see this documentary unless it's on YouTube and for free. As for the compulsory requirement to put "This is not a medical device!" stickers all over their E-Meters, they can't possibly be taking that too well. Serves 'em right for dishing out bogus crap to mislead and disinform the unsuspecting masses! Again, the "scientology" crowd is just like the Heaven's Gate crazies, just not suicidal....yet... |
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It often seems to me, that what defines a cult, is the same thing that defines insanity: not anything objective, rather it's a matter of general sensibilities of a local majority over a local minority. There are still Christian religious orders, for example, which require those who join to do all the same things that the Scientologists do. Renounce all previous ties and loyalties, make regular "confession" to the leaders of the group, and so on. Most of the sub-cults within majority religions are accepted, simply because they've been around a long time, and because they are allied to the majority belief system. That's the challenge of dealing with someone who has set out to use our American desire for personal religious freedom, to craft a system designed for personal profit, or to allow abuse of members or even non-members. The recent fracas over whether we should let certain Christians conduct a public business, wherein they demand that their customers all adhere to their beliefs, or be refused service, is an example. If we decide 100% for or against that, we open doors to ourselves being abused, even as we act with the best of intentions. Hence my being "agnostic non-religious". I don't want to be associated with ANY belief group/church/monastery/whatever you want to call it that has segments or units within it that does that stuff. For me it's just safer to be not religious. I'm not saying there's no "God". But I'm also not saying that there is a "God". "Agnostic" means, roughly, "I don't know what to believe and I'm questioning what the mainstream culture at large says I should believe". My mind is open, but I hew to no single religious group or affiliation. It's just too dangerous to do so these days. |
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Religion is a organization or building to many tends to surround itself with money issues, Cults is control of others no freedom of worship. When you leave your cast out or shunded by your own congration, relatives,family.
The solution to religion is a Personal relationship with God is completely different. I enjoy my personal relationship with God. It is peaceful, love, joy etc. There is a song...."he walks with me and talks to me" try to feel or see his presents in everyday living I do feel his presents in many activities I really do. It manifests into love. love for others, loving yourself, accepting imperfection in others personality or actions, not being a pain in the ***, turning the other cheek another words no revenge! have a super day. Watch for him at sunrise to sun set. It can be truly amazing and exhilarating. |
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Yeah, Lpdon, "scientology" is defined in my "book" as being a "cult", a cult of enslavement, secrecy and some really, really strange practices. From what I have heard and read about, L. Ron Hubbard was more than a bit wacky and most, if not all, of "scientology" smacks of New Age quackery. And this is coming from my own purely non-religious agnostic point of view on religions in general and the "scientology" cult in particular. I'm not saying they don't have the right to be crazy, but they should be grouped in with the Heaven's Gate cult crazies, the Westboro Baptist Church clown parade and the Harold Camping "End Of The Universe Times" freaks! "Scientology" isn't a religion. Just because you can successfully bully the U.S. Government into granting you tax-exempt status DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RELIGION OR CHURCH!!! Don't believe me? Look to Russia! The "Church of Scientology" is BANNED in Russia. Seems old Vlad Putin is good for something after all, eh? It was banned in Germany (now there are warning labels anywhere near a Scientology center on their materials and there are many other countries it is flat out illegal in. They also have to have printed on their E-Meters that it is not a medical device. If you want to see something really interesting. It is the most accurate documentary on Scientology ever made. It has former high ranking Scientologists who escaped the church, including the guy who was second in command to David Miscavige and second in charge of Scientology, Their former spokesman and several Hollywood Actors and Driectors who have left after realizing the truth. You should check it out. You can stream it on Amazon, Netflix and HBO it won several Emmy's and also won at the Sundance film festival. It's called Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. It is a must see for everyone! That does sound interesting. Too bad it's on Netflix and HBO "paid only" streaming. I'm unemployed and broke, so I'll never be able to see this documentary unless it's on YouTube and for free. As for the compulsory requirement to put "This is not a medical device!" stickers all over their E-Meters, they can't possibly be taking that too well. Serves 'em right for dishing out bogus crap to mislead and disinform the unsuspecting masses! Again, the "scientology" crowd is just like the Heaven's Gate crazies, just not suicidal....yet... they're still waiting for the right comet... |
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Yeah, Lpdon, "scientology" is defined in my "book" as being a "cult", a cult of enslavement, secrecy and some really, really strange practices. From what I have heard and read about, L. Ron Hubbard was more than a bit wacky and most, if not all, of "scientology" smacks of New Age quackery. And this is coming from my own purely non-religious agnostic point of view on religions in general and the "scientology" cult in particular. I'm not saying they don't have the right to be crazy, but they should be grouped in with the Heaven's Gate cult crazies, the Westboro Baptist Church clown parade and the Harold Camping "End Of The Universe Times" freaks! "Scientology" isn't a religion. Just because you can successfully bully the U.S. Government into granting you tax-exempt status DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RELIGION OR CHURCH!!! Don't believe me? Look to Russia! The "Church of Scientology" is BANNED in Russia. Seems old Vlad Putin is good for something after all, eh? It was banned in Germany (now there are warning labels anywhere near a Scientology center on their materials and there are many other countries it is flat out illegal in. They also have to have printed on their E-Meters that it is not a medical device. If you want to see something really interesting. It is the most accurate documentary on Scientology ever made. It has former high ranking Scientologists who escaped the church, including the guy who was second in command to David Miscavige and second in charge of Scientology, Their former spokesman and several Hollywood Actors and Driectors who have left after realizing the truth. You should check it out. You can stream it on Amazon, Netflix and HBO it won several Emmy's and also won at the Sundance film festival. It's called Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. It is a must see for everyone! That does sound interesting. Too bad it's on Netflix and HBO "paid only" streaming. I'm unemployed and broke, so I'll never be able to see this documentary unless it's on YouTube and for free. As for the compulsory requirement to put "This is not a medical device!" stickers all over their E-Meters, they can't possibly be taking that too well. Serves 'em right for dishing out bogus crap to mislead and disinform the unsuspecting masses! Again, the "scientology" crowd is just like the Heaven's Gate crazies, just not suicidal....yet... they're still waiting for the right comet... LOL...That very well could be! 
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"Agnostic" means, roughly, "I don't know what to believe and I'm questioning what the mainstream culture at large says I should believe". My mind is open, but I hew to no single religious group or affiliation. It's just too dangerous to do so these days. It's worth pointing out, once again, the meanings of these independent terms. 'Gnostic' concerns knowledge. 'Theist' concerns belief. If you believe in a god or gods, you are a theist. If you do not believe in any gods (including being uncertain), you are an atheist. If you know there are gods, you are a gnostic. If you do not know if there are gods, you are agnostic. Most people who describe themselves as atheists are probably better described as agnostic atheists: they cannot be certain there are no gods but they don't believe there are any. |
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Technically all religions are cults, it's just that some get an "accepted" status. So the question one must ask is: How many members does a religion have to have before it no longer becomes a "cult?" 
To be or not to be cultivated? |
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Like many Religions, it is Philosophy of Life.
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I don't know anyone in the group or anyone that knows anyone those who publicly admit to being a part of it seem like decent and hard working folk all those Hollyweird-People? Leah Remmi and Katie Holmes didn't have anything good to say after they "excaped"... and i believe them, they both looked scared and exhausted... and you can bet they are still being hounded! Nichole Kidman and Jason Bighe also have nothing good to say about Scientology after leaving. |
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Personally, I've always thought of them as a business. That's all it is, excerpt for the slave labor, human trafficking, sex trafficking, abuse both physical and sexual, and their disconnect policy from family and friends. That part fits certain religious orders. Yea, it fits with Jonestown and the Branch Davidians. |
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Personally, I've always thought of them as a business. That's all it is, excerpt for the slave labor, human trafficking, sex trafficking, abuse both physical and sexual, and their disconnect policy from family and friends. That part fits certain religious orders. certain cults as well... one of the main red flags as a cult, not a religion... Also, everyone who is a former member who has spoken out against Scientology the "Church" has created websites for each one of them. For example Jason Beghe the Hollywood actor who has come forward they created a website www.whoisjasonbeghe.com every former member has one. lol, more like hate sites... did you read those post about the people there? Yup, I read every one. Some of them I couldn't believe what I was reading it was so wacky. |
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I don't know anyone in the group or anyone that knows anyone those who publicly admit to being a part of it seem like decent and hard working folk all those Hollyweird-People? Leah Remmi and Katie Holmes didn't have anything good to say after they "excaped"... and i believe them, they both looked scared and exhausted... Remember Katie Holms new best friend after she married Tom Cruise? She was a high ranking Sea Org member who was assigned to her. John Travolta also had one, and they became quite close friends for years and when she left the church he had nothing to do with her. |
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I don't know anyone in the group or anyone that knows anyone those who publicly admit to being a part of it seem like decent and hard working folk all those Hollyweird-People? Leah Remmi and Katie Holmes didn't have anything good to say after they "excaped"... and i believe them, they both looked scared and exhausted... and you can bet they are still being hounded! Nichole Kidman and Jason Bighe also have nothing good to say about Scientology after leaving. Nicole divorced tom because of it... |
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Yeah, Lpdon, "scientology" is defined in my "book" as being a "cult", a cult of enslavement, secrecy and some really, really strange practices. From what I have heard and read about, L. Ron Hubbard was more than a bit wacky and most, if not all, of "scientology" smacks of New Age quackery. And this is coming from my own purely non-religious agnostic point of view on religions in general and the "scientology" cult in particular. I'm not saying they don't have the right to be crazy, but they should be grouped in with the Heaven's Gate cult crazies, the Westboro Baptist Church clown parade and the Harold Camping "End Of The Universe Times" freaks! "Scientology" isn't a religion. Just because you can successfully bully the U.S. Government into granting you tax-exempt status DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RELIGION OR CHURCH!!! Don't believe me? Look to Russia! The "Church of Scientology" is BANNED in Russia. Seems old Vlad Putin is good for something after all, eh? It was banned in Germany (now there are warning labels anywhere near a Scientology center on their materials and there are many other countries it is flat out illegal in. They also have to have printed on their E-Meters that it is not a medical device. If you want to see something really interesting. It is the most accurate documentary on Scientology ever made. It has former high ranking Scientologists who escaped the church, including the guy who was second in command to David Miscavige and second in charge of Scientology, Their former spokesman and several Hollywood Actors and Driectors who have left after realizing the truth. You should check it out. You can stream it on Amazon, Netflix and HBO it won several Emmy's and also won at the Sundance film festival. It's called Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief. It is a must see for everyone! That does sound interesting. Too bad it's on Netflix and HBO "paid only" streaming. I'm unemployed and broke, so I'll never be able to see this documentary unless it's on YouTube and for free. As for the compulsory requirement to put "This is not a medical device!" stickers all over their E-Meters, they can't possibly be taking that too well. Serves 'em right for dishing out bogus crap to mislead and disinform the unsuspecting masses! Again, the "scientology" crowd is just like the Heaven's Gate crazies, just not suicidal....yet... they're still waiting for the right comet... Halley's? 
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Personally, I've always thought of them as a business. That's all it is, excerpt for the slave labor, human trafficking, sex trafficking, abuse both physical and sexual, and their disconnect policy from family and friends. That part fits certain religious orders. Yea, it fits with Jonestown and the Branch Davidians. Except that Jonestown self destructed and Waco was destroyed by the (Bill) Clinton administration... |
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