Lol just have to say this for giggles

Ever notice how much taller men become after they see a sexy woman walking their way?

It's not a bra...but...you get the point?

thanks for telling me, i was kinda wondering about that... and it was my whole point to begin with...

lets see what can be faked on women...

hair, numerous ways
eyebrows
eyelashes
eyes
the whole face..(makeup, botox, and probably 30 other things i never knew existed)
lips
teeth (both men and women there)
implants, for everywhere on the body
skin tone and color
and doctors that specialize in beauty enhancements...

so i guess the ears are the only natural thing left on a woman now?

but...but... i thought women wanted honesty?

Ok wait how do you know they are sagging to her knees... I believe in honesty by all means but not when it is hurtful.

There are ways to being honest. .For what ever reason they aren't a match period end of story..

Leave it at that..

The same as if he is one minute man should she tell him dude you are great but false start that is actually the finish line doesn't do it for me.. Wow she is beign honest but how hurtful is that ..

OR she could keep it to herself, because maybe the next woman he is with likes one minute bunnies And just wish him well

.. I try not to get an erection when a beautiful woman walks my way..ohhh. wait a minute you didn't mean that did you

And besides I don't think she would notice a two and a quarter inch difference in my height..lol.wink

..ok.. but does this person not liking One Minute Men... does that make her Shallow Hal..?. is that enough to end what could be a great relationship..? that's the inner conflict the character is having in My story.. if it's not some epic reason for breaking up but something slightly physical.. or something trivial like not being able to possess a passport...
Should the person breaking up be made to feel bad be made to be a Shallow Hal?

Neither person in what you described nor what I described is shallow hal or halett. okay each person has a preference and they are entitled to it. Nothing more nothing less.
And they might be great friends etc but in the bumpy uglies department they aren't a match so move on is my attitude.

you know women will say that and you know they won'the like it..so why go down that road?
Honesty is saying it's over and he doesn't have to elaborate on it. I don't think he's shallow but I do believe that he's bought into what the media has made men believe what women should look like.
Women have also bought into it by trying to be like what the media says we should look like.

nope

i'm just tryng to figure out how ALL of this is the mans fault..

she wears a boob enhancer, so thats the mans fault for her not looking like Jessica Alba

she takes the boob enhancer off, and her boobs are not enhanced anymore... thats the mans fault...

man tells her her boobs are not enhanced anymore... mans fault again

women want honesty, but only at certain times of the day?


did i miss anything there?

I think he's got to feel out the situation with the woman regarding how explicit he is about it. There are ways to avoid hurtful truths without being overtly dishonest. Give her a chance to let it go without getting into the details, I wouldn't force my judgments on her. If she really demands the truth, then you should trust she's got the maturity to deal with it, and you should tell her. I mean he should her. just my opinion! not trying to moralize here.

Just go ahead and tell her the truth then. She's a big girl.

Yeah. Somehow my chest just magically gets larger, and my stomach gets smaller. I don't know how it happens.

If all else fails and you just can't be a mean ol heel and tell the truth...make it her choice to break up..it's a bit deceiving but it eases the guilt.

hehe!

lol.. i'll just gently tell her "don't go away mad... just go away"...

I am generally a big supporter of people pursuing what makes them happy irregardless of what other people think.

So I was asking myself why I had such a strong negative reaction to this shallow hal character, who has the right to his preferences every bit as much as everyone else.

And then I read massagetrades post and realised that it hit the nail on tbe head of what I was feeling.

Shallow Hal's dealbreaker is downright unrealistic!

Firstly I should admit that I assumed shallow hal was in his 40s by virtue of assuming that he was close to Doc's age group. Yes I agree that it was an unfair assumption to make.

But if he is in his 40's , how could he be so clueless to the reality that a woman with perky boobs after the age of 40 is the exception and not the rule????

The popular plastic surgery culture has almost made us forget what a real pair of 40 year old boobs look like ...boobs that in some cases have been yanked and sucked by multiple ravenous little humans over a generous span of time.

There is nothing wrong with having physical preferences but as massagetrades says , Hal's dealbreaker is only realistic for young women i or mature women who have opted for plastic surgery.

And a man who hinges the start of a relationship SOLELY on a body part that is currently firm, but is guaranteed to sag in time, is someone who is likely to dump her when the physical inevitabilities of aging to the boobs occur.

How can someone like that last for any length of time in a relationship with a mature woman?

Now if shallow hal can make peace with the fact that his mentality doesnt seem inclined toward a mature woman or lengthy relationship, and he was transparent about that to the women he dates, I would totally respect that.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with opting for a life of short , fun and not so deep relationships, as long as one is honest and transparent with the persons one is dating.

As this relationship with the woman is so young, i see nothing wrong with him saying that he realised that he is not a relationship man and he doesnt want to mislead her any further

Yeah, the way I read it (I might have misunderstood) the situation was not simply that Hal was at a place in his life where he wanted a casual relationship with a young-looking, hot woman, and he just wasn't interested in saggy **** at this time. That's a reasonable short term choice.

It was rather than Hal found saggy **** completely sexually undesirable, that they were intrinsically completely unacceptable to him.

If Hal is in his 20s, that's cool; he'll grow out of it. But if he is in his 30s or 40s ... I mean.. eventually Hal is going to have to learn to love the natural consequences of aging on a woman, isn't he? Or being womanless, or unhappy, or perpetually dating brainless 20 year olds with daddy issues?

And if accepting sag is inevitable, why not change his outlook sooner rather than later?

Its to Hal's benefit to learn to love real, mature ****. just my opinion

What's so amusing about Shallow Hal Massagetrades, is that he sounds no different than the naive 20 year olds who pursue me to the tired squeaky tune of "Age is not a number"

None of these boys can see past the length of their erection to realise that a relatively well preserved 40 year old body, without surgery, will be looking way less magical 15 years from now when gravity starts taking its inevitable toll.

I usually giggle at the naivete of those silly little boys...

But a grown-azz man still expecting firm juicy melons after the bra slips off from a forty-something year old woman ??????

Man, I am yearning for some of the drugs he's been smoking!