Topic: Connecticut passes "gun confiscation" bill
mightymoe's photo
Tue 05/03/16 01:46 PM





Gun toting on the streets should be illegal

The whole "raison d'etre"... Guns against government should be reconsidered. IMHO waving




i thought it was illegal in Canada?


Well why don't you head up here and break into my home and see for yourself?

are you thinking i'm a thief? what exactly is your point?


My point is, if you think we're all unarmed up here, you should try us Canadians out.

Naw I don't think yer a thief... pretty good **** but not a thief LOL drinker


i'm not to worried aboot Canadians, they tend to stay up there in their comfort zone, except for the Floridan trailer park owners...

i know we're scary to you guys, eh, but don't worry, there's really not much in Canada that i want... you guys, eh, will have enough libtards heading you guys eh way soon enough...

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Tue 05/03/16 01:54 PM


Smartazzjohn's photo
Tue 05/03/16 02:09 PM



Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh

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Tue 05/03/16 02:17 PM




Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker

Smartazzjohn's photo
Tue 05/03/16 02:38 PM





Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh

Robxbox73's photo
Tue 05/03/16 02:51 PM

Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




Forgive my French but **** that!

The only thing keeping this pinko government from totaly declaring martial law, is our citizen soldiers who took an oath against enemies foreign and domestic. Remember Jade Helm? They realized the would have a civil war on their hands if they move to make us like Europe. They know now they will have a **** storm on their hands if they try that mess again. Sorry but we're not doing down like that.

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Tue 05/03/16 02:57 PM
Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!
Scream it all you want.... you can't actually do it since you're Canadian n all laugh


Gun toting on the streets should be illegal
It already is in a lot of major cities here...ya know, the ones with the highest gun crime rates.....

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Tue 05/03/16 03:01 PM






Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 05/03/16 03:12 PM







Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol
you really need to educate yourself some on the Purpose of the 2nd Amendment!
You are,as usual,way off!

ErotiDoug's photo
Tue 05/03/16 03:41 PM
Edited by ErotiDoug on Tue 05/03/16 03:45 PM







Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol


** Americans / Canadians are kissing cousins but all are individuals.

* We (my neighbors and I) have no guns. call 911
* Never locked our house doors, 50+ years. good insurance
* I have never been robbed or harassed (even when I met the zapatistas and other such groups)
* Guns, like smoking kill. But both are very profitable.

* Many tools can kill but a gun has only one purpose.
** * Healthy societies enjoy happiness and understanding.


**flowerforyou Has America forgotten " Lead by example "

Smartazzjohn's photo
Tue 05/03/16 04:32 PM







Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol


SO now you want to talk about the 2nd amendment and the drug epidemic??? Nice diatribe CHUM...but you STILL haven't explained or justified your original assertion. laugh

Yes, your azz should have ignored my post and shouldn't have inferred, incorrectly, that I'm insecure for believing people should be able to defend themselves without being able to defend your accusation.

BTW I was born in Chatham, Ontario and have relatives that still live in Canada including a cop who has told me people would be shocked by what isn't reported. My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area. Maybe if there was freedom of the press the public would know about the REAL amount of gun violence in Canada. Shhhhh....if it's not reported it never happened and there is an image that needs to be protected. :angel:

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Tue 05/03/16 04:58 PM
Lawmakers in Connecticut have just passed legislation that will allow for law enforcement to confiscate guns from individuals who are accused of domestic abuse.

Seems they can also take away your kids, or keep you from your kids, kick you out of your house, make you pay the electric bill, and do all sorts of things.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2016/FC/2016HB-05054-R000750-FC.htm

Reading it makes it seem like a rather stupid bill.

I mean if the intent is to:
protect women from the increased lethality at a critical point in a relationship: when they are trying to leave their abusers

then it's not going to do a very good job.
As the bureaucratic nightmare someone has to go through is going to take several days to weeks, realistically, before the cops actually serve any kind of warrant.

And what's the first thing someone is going to do when they receive a restraining order telling them to appear before a judge to determine if their guns should be taken away?
Hide their damn guns.

If someone is capable of knee jerk killing someone out of fear of losing them then they are going to knee jerk hide what the government wants to take away from them.

And if they aren't knee jerk killing their partner just because a gun is handy? They are just going to find another way to do it.

i think you are right here, it seems more like a "test", to see if/how the people respond..

Personally, I swear federal and state governments simply try to pass as many laws as they can get away with so no matter what you do they can always play "gotcha!" on any kind of technicality so you are always under their power if someone feels you need to be.

Not so much of a concerted effort at dominance and control so much as like the knight that had a weapon for any imaginable fight, so many weapons he couldn't move, couldn't get on his horse, couldn't really do anything but sit there and keep thinking up new weapons with which to protect himself with.

Manturkey1's photo
Tue 05/03/16 05:38 PM



* Has Trump the ultimate American gunslinger, spoke on gun rights?

** Most entertaining... laugh


drinker laugh



:wink:


Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/04/16 01:15 AM
funny,this thread is about whether that Law is unconstitutional or not!That's all there is to it,the Canadian Snow-job notwithstanding!
Will be a Cold Day in Hell when other Countries can decide that the 2nd is null and void!

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Wed 05/04/16 09:29 AM

Lawmakers in Connecticut have just passed legislation that will allow for law enforcement to confiscate guns from individuals who are accused of domestic abuse.

Notice the word “accused” and not “convicted” in that sentence.

Scary times for liberty, folks.

From TheBlaze:

Under the legislation, suspects would have 24 hours after being accused to surrender all firearms.

After nearly three hours of debate, the bill was approved with a 23-13 amid failed attempted by Republicans to amend the bill.

The Connecticut Post explains the intention behind the legislation:

The goal is to protect women from the increased lethality at a critical point in a relationship: when they are trying to leave their abusers. About 14 domestic homicides occur annually in Connecticut, half of which are caused by guns.

While 5,000 temporary restraining orders are issued annually, about half result in permanent orders. The bill, which was approved last week in the House, would require court hearings within seven days and if judges decide against extending the orders, weapons would be returned within five days later. Currently, court hearings are held 14 days later.

Though there was some opposition to the bill due to gun rights concerns, the Post reports “there was little evidence of gun-rights activists in the Capitol on Monday.”

“I do believe we have to honor the Constitution, we have to honor the Second Amendment and we have to honor the rights of individuals,” Republican Sen. Rob Kane said.

You know, I was always under the impression that punishment didn’t come until after the crime and that folks were innocent until proven guilty.

I guess those are old fashioned notions that our oh-so-wonderful progressive society has moved well beyond.

This legislation will most certainly be abused by the powers that be and there’s little doubt in my mind that many guns will be confiscated due to false accusations.

Now don’t get me wrong. I’m all for protecting folks from domestic abuse. However, I don’t think violating the rights of Americans guaranteed under the Constitution is the way to go about it.

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-democrats-pass-gun-confiscation-bill-for-those-accused-of-domestic-violence/
This article....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/connecticut-state-legislature-passes-gun-control-bill-aimed/story?id=38846693

.....says confiscation will occur when a temporary restraining order is granted. Wonder if that's a temp restraining order due solely because of domestic violence....or a temp order for any reason?
Don't know about CT , but it ain't real hard to get a restraining order here.
Seems someone with a petty grudge could misuse this.

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Wed 05/04/16 09:42 AM



Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa


what street?slaphead


martin luther king blvd...


:laughing:

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Wed 05/04/16 10:22 AM








Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol


SO now you want to talk about the 2nd amendment and the drug epidemic??? Nice diatribe CHUM...but you STILL haven't explained or justified your original assertion. laugh

Yes, your azz should have ignored my post and shouldn't have inferred, incorrectly, that I'm insecure for believing people should be able to defend themselves without being able to defend your accusation.

BTW I was born in Chatham, Ontario and have relatives that still live in Canada including a cop who has told me people would be shocked by what isn't reported. My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area. Maybe if there was freedom of the press the public would know about the REAL amount of gun violence in Canada. Shhhhh....if it's not reported it never happened and there is an image that needs to be protected. :angel:


My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area.


Please! whoa Nuf with the BS

No kidding, there's a criminal element in Canada too!slaphead Where do you think they get their weapons?

That's right, indirectly from American gloves boxes. :angry:


I think it's reasonable to remove weapons from spouses who threaten or assault. Only a fool would dispute that drinker


mightymoe's photo
Wed 05/04/16 10:30 AM









Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol


SO now you want to talk about the 2nd amendment and the drug epidemic??? Nice diatribe CHUM...but you STILL haven't explained or justified your original assertion. laugh

Yes, your azz should have ignored my post and shouldn't have inferred, incorrectly, that I'm insecure for believing people should be able to defend themselves without being able to defend your accusation.

BTW I was born in Chatham, Ontario and have relatives that still live in Canada including a cop who has told me people would be shocked by what isn't reported. My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area. Maybe if there was freedom of the press the public would know about the REAL amount of gun violence in Canada. Shhhhh....if it's not reported it never happened and there is an image that needs to be protected. :angel:


My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area.


Please! whoa Nuf with the BS

No kidding, there's a criminal element in Canada too!slaphead Where do you think they get their weapons?

That's right, indirectly from American gloves boxes. :angry:


I think it's reasonable to remove weapons from spouses who threaten or assault. Only a fool would dispute that drinker




aww poor canucks... just gives you something to whine about...

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Wed 05/04/16 10:39 AM










Seems reasonable, Whatever it takes! Amend the Amendments!

Guns=violence no place for that on the streets whoa




It's reasonable to allow people to protect themselves.

Guns = ability to protect yourself from the criminals who are violent on any street.




Oh that's such a position of insecurity that I'll ignore it altogether

drinker


It's not insecure position to believe people should be able to protect themselves, it's logical.
You didn't ignore my statement, you just didn't make a rebuttal.laugh



It was a polite way of acknowledging your post by ignoring your insecurity as a reason to possess weapons on the streets laugh drinker


And you still have not presented a rebuttal showing how it's insecure for a person to protect themselves.
I don't carry a gun except when I'm hunting, I'm just not so insecure that I feel threatened by law abiding people who do posses a gun on the streets. It seems you are showing insecurity about law abiding people possessing a gun on the streets.

It seem to be another case of someone being guilty of their own accusation. laugh



The second amendment was drafted as a way to protect against tyranny in Government... When did it Morph into protecting against "bubba" on the street? There is a problem, more guns ain't the answer chum, the drug epidemic is changing peoples perceptions of real danger with overreactions resulting in unnecessary deaths.

I'm quite insecure about 2yr olds grabbing a weapon from under mommas seat and shooting her in the back yup... your law abiding idiots are still leaving loaded weapons in their vehicles that are easily stolen and fed into the criminal element or fall into children hands.

You're right, I should have completely ignored your azz lol


SO now you want to talk about the 2nd amendment and the drug epidemic??? Nice diatribe CHUM...but you STILL haven't explained or justified your original assertion. laugh

Yes, your azz should have ignored my post and shouldn't have inferred, incorrectly, that I'm insecure for believing people should be able to defend themselves without being able to defend your accusation.

BTW I was born in Chatham, Ontario and have relatives that still live in Canada including a cop who has told me people would be shocked by what isn't reported. My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area. Maybe if there was freedom of the press the public would know about the REAL amount of gun violence in Canada. Shhhhh....if it's not reported it never happened and there is an image that needs to be protected. :angel:


My ex has brothers who live in the Bruce Peninsula who never go anywhere without have a loaded gun in their vehicles and it's not because there are bears in the area.


Please! whoa Nuf with the BS

No kidding, there's a criminal element in Canada too!slaphead Where do you think they get their weapons?

That's right, indirectly from American gloves boxes. :angry:


I think it's reasonable to remove weapons from spouses who threaten or assault. Only a fool would dispute that drinker




aww poor canucks... just gives you something to whine about...


well TBH, you should be doing the whinning, you must be too busy with something more important? like mudpit racing or tractor pull whoa

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Wed 05/04/16 10:46 AM

Well, while I'm reasonably sure this wont stand, I think it's being described incorrectly in that article.

The problem is with the word "accused." The article talks about it as though as soon as the spouse says "he/she hit me!" that the cops will swoop in and demand to take any and all weapons away.

The thing is, "accused" often means "formally charged." We already HAVE laws, which are constitutional, and which take all sorts of freedoms and rights away from formally charged people.

My point is, that depending on exactly how they wrote this up, it may or may not pass a constitutionality test.


Most of those freedoms are automatically restored if someone is found innocent. Will these guns be returned if someone is found innocent of domestic abuse?