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Topic: freedom of speech
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 03/11/16 11:42 AM
Freedom of Speech? Not in Islam,and possibly soon a thing of the past in the rest of the world!

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Fri 03/11/16 02:39 PM
...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... Kindlightheart Why would it be hard to be a true Muslim and reside in USA?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Fri 03/11/16 03:03 PM
...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... Kindlightheart Why would it be hard to be a true Muslim and reside in USA? Read the whole Article! http://www.renewamerica.com/analyses/060630hutchison.htm

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Fri 03/11/16 04:57 PM
...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... Kindlightheart Why would it be hard to be a true Muslim and reside in USA? Read the whole Article! http://www.renewamerica.com/analyses/060630hutchison.htm That article looks pretty anti muslim to me. It also alludes to the trinity which is not biblical. I would rather hear from Kindlightheart why she thinks a true muslim would have a hard time n the USA.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 03/11/16 05:59 PM
how we can write and critisize islam if we have no right , and facing by this death?? i need advises??? ...I am by far no expert...but depending where you are...I would say proceed with caution ...and wish you much strength and hope... thank you for ur comment , the problem is that i'm currently living in islamic context ...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... its no cake walk being a 'true' christian and living here either, although the fashion is easier to accomodate

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 03/12/16 04:04 AM
it is amazing how many People think appeasing Islam is the way to go! Crocodile will still get you!

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Sat 03/12/16 04:46 AM
it is amazing how many People think appeasing Islam is the way to go! Crocodile will still get you! Evil will flourish when good men do nothing ? I think the good news is Islam is going to get their a$$ kicked. The bad news is the a$$ kicker will be as bad as Islam.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 03/12/16 04:47 AM
Freedom of Speech? Not in Islam,and possibly soon a thing of the past in the rest of the world!

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Sat 03/12/16 04:50 AM
Freedom of Speech? Not in Islam,and possibly soon a thing of the past in the rest of the world! Who or what do you think is going to suppress freedom of speech?

abdeslam22 Joined Tue 10/06/15 Posts: 80	Sat 03/12/16 05:56 AM
how we can write and critisize islam if we have no right , and facing by this death?? i need advises??? ...I am by far no expert...but depending where you are...I would say proceed with caution ...and wish you much strength and hope... thank you for ur comment , the problem is that i'm currently living in islamic context ...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... its no cake walk being a 'true' christian and living here either, although the fashion is easier to accomodate fashion is just simple example, i am sure that if muslims have the power , i mean economicly and politicaly , they will kill u even in ur country. there are many quranic verses insipre killin others who are unbelievers , everyone which is not muslim ,is unbeliever according to islam. and islamists say all the time that quran is a book of all places and ages , so if a muslim in america does not kill u , then be sure he acts not the same as quran commands . if they say islam is religion of peace , then they need to remove killing verses from quran

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 03/12/16 06:42 AM
Freedom of Speech? Not in Islam,and possibly soon a thing of the past in the rest of the world! Who or what do you think is going to suppress freedom of speech? I'll let you figure that one out on your own,might create an AHA-Moment!

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Sat 03/12/16 09:13 AM
Freedom of Speech? Not in Islam,and possibly soon a thing of the past in the rest of the world! Who or what do you think is going to suppress freedom of speech? I'll let you figure that one out on your own,might create an AHA-Moment! Well give me a hint. You don't think the Muslims are going to conquer the world do you?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/12/16 09:21 AM
how we can write and critisize islam if we have no right , and facing by this death?? i need advises??? ...I am by far no expert...but depending where you are...I would say proceed with caution ...and wish you much strength and hope... thank you for ur comment , the problem is that i'm currently living in islamic context ...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... its no cake walk being a 'true' christian and living here either, although the fashion is easier to accomodate fashion is just simple example, i am sure that if muslims have the power , i mean economicly and politicaly , they will kill u even in ur country. there are many quranic verses insipre killin others who are unbelievers , everyone which is not muslim ,is unbeliever according to islam. and islamists say all the time that quran is a book of all places and ages , so if a muslim in america does not kill u , then be sure he acts not the same as quran commands . if they say islam is religion of peace , then they need to remove killing verses from quran that's like saying if Christians have power they will stone adulterers because there are 'verses' in the bible which call for and condone it ' religious books are complex and account several centuries , cultural laws, regional laws, and many other complex issues muslims who don't believe a certain way are ostracized and targeted by other muslims , just like Christians don't all believe the same exact way , neither do all muslims our religious books are already written, its up to those who read them to take from them whatever their perceptions cause them to the bible has plenty on killing,,,fortunately most Christians don't take that as a guideline on how to live but a lesson on what doesn't work

abdeslam22 Joined Tue 10/06/15 Posts: 80	Sat 03/12/16 01:36 PM
how we can write and critisize islam if we have no right , and facing by this death?? i need advises??? ...I am by far no expert...but depending where you are...I would say proceed with caution ...and wish you much strength and hope... thank you for ur comment , the problem is that i'm currently living in islamic context ...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... its no cake walk being a 'true' christian and living here either, although the fashion is easier to accomodate fashion is just simple example, i am sure that if muslims have the power , i mean economicly and politicaly , they will kill u even in ur country. there are many quranic verses insipre killin others who are unbelievers , everyone which is not muslim ,is unbeliever according to islam. and islamists say all the time that quran is a book of all places and ages , so if a muslim in america does not kill u , then be sure he acts not the same as quran commands . if they say islam is religion of peace , then they need to remove killing verses from quran that's like saying if Christians have power they will stone adulterers because there are 'verses' in the bible which call for and condone it ' religious books are complex and account several centuries , cultural laws, regional laws, and many other complex issues muslims who don't believe a certain way are ostracized and targeted by other muslims , just like Christians don't all believe the same exact way , neither do all muslims our religious books are already written, its up to those who read them to take from them whatever their perceptions cause them to the bible has plenty on killing,,,fortunately most Christians don't take that as a guideline on how to live but a lesson on what doesn't work u see i can not judge or talk about christianity because i'm not living with them and have a few info about bible , but i opened my eyes first time in islam and see how muslims talk and think . u may talk to muslims too but be sure they will hide sth seems bad but keep sth good , tht's the lying. FOR me , when i've started question islam , i always ask why this verse exists and what are the reasons which made it exist ? that's the way which drive me to conclusion which is Islam is not God's words but human's words and also islam is political plan covered by religious color . i would like u to bear in mind that muslims here and even those who seem peaceful believe completely that muslims will dominate the world and achieve ALLAH's GOAL in Shariaa LAW , and they say many stories about christians and jews claiming that will happen in the future and all of them lead to the same place and goal which has made the existence of islam at the first time . we as human being in this modern age should believe that islam is not useful and can not make human but can make u leave human being

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 03/13/16 08:51 AM Edited by msharmony on Sun 03/13/16 08:53 AM
I have the benefit of personal relationship with one of the smartest people I have ever known, a retired navy diver ,demolitions expert who trained with SEALS(so no crap about being unpatriotic) current doctor, who has lived all over the world and WITH muslims, who knows how to speak the language and has read the quran from his lips, don't believe the hype,,,muslims are as diverse as Christians,, and islam is no more violent than any other religion,, you will find that the political climate, and regional culture/leadership, is what makes the difference extremists are just that, and 'mainstream' muslims are under just as much threat where they live as we are , if not more I trust this man above all the sensational hype on the internet and media and what he says just makes more sense

dutchpk Joined Fri 03/11/16 Posts: 3	Sun 03/13/16 09:39 AM
Dittos. How terrorism has evolved is saddening, frightening, infuriating.

abdeslam22 Joined Tue 10/06/15 Posts: 80	Mon 03/14/16 03:03 PM
I have the benefit of personal relationship with one of the smartest people I have ever known, a retired navy diver ,demolitions expert who trained with SEALS(so no crap about being unpatriotic) current doctor, who has lived all over the world and WITH muslims, who knows how to speak the language and has read the quran from his lips, don't believe the hype,,,muslims are as diverse as Christians,, and islam is no more violent than any other religion,, you will find that the political climate, and regional culture/leadership, is what makes the difference extremists are just that, and 'mainstream' muslims are under just as much threat where they live as we are , if not more I trust this man above all the sensational hype on the internet and media and what he says just makes more sense you really missed my point ,if i kill u , i can justify this behavior from quran and Hadit , ISIS did things and gave evidences from Quran and Hadit and everything they say from quran is right . so islam is what quran and Hadit command not individual muslims , and the source of idea is quran which will remain centuries while muslims die . the issue is quran and hadit are stable and muslims believe what inside them completely , dont think that they will say what upset them , and there is a verse in quran , i will show it later , claims that muslims who are not following what ALLAH'S says they are consedered unbeliever . i need noone to tell sth because i born in a ground where islam is and my familly are too . i have the right to critisize what is not suitable to human being ; A Religion which which give the man to marry four women and has many girl slaves as sexual use in not a religion for human . u really have gap in understanding what is islam without color , but i am not because i was muslim , but now i am not . I live a secret life due to fear of jail and death ; u know why apostasy exists , it's because islam is weak and full of point weaknessess. U know the word TAQQIYA which means in islam lying , muslims who you ve met are kind of this

Kindlightheart Joined Fri 09/19/14 Posts: 2370	Mon 03/14/16 03:43 PM
...honestly...I only recently have been trying to have a better understanding of Islam ...and frankly...wow...I can say my dad was right...it is impossible to be a true Muslim and reside in USA ...and truthfully speaking...I admire anyone who stands behind their heart,soul,and mind ...but all of these are infected by deliberate poor teaching...silly little sheep... Kindlightheart Why would it be hard to be a true Muslim and reside in USA? ...honestly..I don't know a lot about Islam ..or Muslims...but what little I do know...the men of the faith seem to think they can abuse women to severe degrees that we in America say is wrong...America is an open book of infidelity...the women of this belief are covered head to toe...women in America...are barely dressed...we in America don't condone sex with children...I can't help but wonder what a Muslim woman would think here...especially one that was disfigured for her husbands thoughts...here she would be surrounded by beautiful women that would never be treated like she was...Muslim children would see that the freedoms that they are beat and killed for are ok for other kids...I may be wrong ...maybe most Muslims could just blend in...maybe all I have heard is not true...but if it's true that Muslims are supposed to kill the infidels...they got plenty of us to kill here in the USA...like I said...I don't know as much as I would like to about Islam ...but unless the American people change...I don't see how we can live together...guess we will find out soon enough...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 03/14/16 05:41 PM
men of muslim faith don't all have the same beliefs,, just keep that in mind there is plenty that lines up with Christian beliefs, in terms of how to carry oneself and treat others,,,,,and many muslims adhere to the interpretation of those verses, rather than those verses that are violent or extreme

abdeslam22 Joined Tue 10/06/15 Posts: 80	Tue 03/15/16 04:33 AM Edited by abdeslam22 on Tue 03/15/16 04:36 AM
men of muslim faith don't all have the same beliefs,, just keep that in mind there is plenty that lines up with Christian beliefs, in terms of how to carry oneself and treat others,,,,,and many muslims adhere to the interpretation of those verses, rather than those verses that are violent or extreme did u ask them if they believe in those violent verses???? muslims believe in every word in quran and can not say it does not work because it's comes from Allah , so that they can not remove it. Did u ask them to remove those violent verses??????i memorize 10 chapters of quran , i start reading quran and my age was 8years . I ve read quran 4 times a year for 12 years , SO I know what i am saying and no one can tell me this is the right meaning ,i mean islamists , because i understand what political islam is exactly . i have the brain and i can search and analyse info through depending on different books , not just what government wants .