Please Don't get to nasty because I am just stating how a christian Views magic.
{at least this one}

It really doesn't matter what kind of magic anyone does, White, Black, Chaos or any other of the such, it all comes from one source anyway so it really doesn't matter how you use it, the fact that it is being used is my point.
If you tap a tree and get the sap out, some of it you use as a topping on pancakes {Good} and others you use to dump on your friends head as a prank {Bad}.
no matter which way you use it good or bad it is still tapped from the tree.
I know some of you will hate me for this and I am not trying to Judge you because it is between you and God, I am just stating my knowlege of how magic works in a spirit relm "christianesk" way.
If the devil is the tree, it won't matter how you use magic because it all comes from one evil tree.
Do you really think that He will let you see it comes from him?
If evil looked like evil we would stay away from it but since it looks harmless and beautiful people gravitate to it like a bug to a bugzapper.

Well based on your example, I don't care what kind of magic it is as long as it taste delicious on my pancakes. I also like to quote satan on south park the movie. "without evil there can be no good so it has to be good to be evil sometimes."

That's actually funny.

But in all seriousness tho, Good can still be good without evil, we just wouldn't realise that evil even exsists or think about it if only good exsisted.
Would you want sap made from cancer?
as long as it tastes good right? LOL

i appreciate your honesty...and am a Christian myself, though not the type who cares about fantasy books or the like...but my thoughts on magic are thus, it doesn't exist. lol. i believe in things i cannot explain, but there is still a big jump from that to claiming anything else...
and i prefer waffles...

I must disagree. There are few things that exist without its opposite. Since darkness is the absents of light and cold is the absents of heat then both cold and light could exist without their polar opposite, but the same does not occur with good and evil. You can perform actions that are neither good nor evil.

Josh wrote:
"Please Don't get to nasty because I am just stating how a christian Views magic."

You're description actually sounds like a pantheistic view to me.

But whatever.

"Would you want sap made from cancer?
as long as it tastes good right? LOL"

Well, as long as its not gonna get me sick. You must realize that I am from Louisiana and the rule around here is the food is great but don't ask whats in the pot.

magic doesnt exist... however the practice of it does.. go figure

Curious, hhmmmm I would not say it is fantacy in the least, it does exsist, Curses and other such things, demons do bidding to a point making ailments and such, it cannot affect Christians unless God allows it. it is even said that if we are cursed by an enimy it will go back to the person who sent it seven fold.
We do not fight against flesh and blood but POWERS and principalities.
There are very strong powers out there which is why we should always pray but please do not underestimate or mistake it for some Harry Potter Novel of some fictional thing.
My city is consittered one of the biggest Witchcraft cities in the usa and you can feel a difference when you leave and then comeback from traviling, you feel this heaavyness that covers your entire being.

my apologies, i did not mean to apply the pajorative of fantasy in regard to magic, i would not have chosen to do that in regard to something you believe in. i was applying it to a genre of literature which some Christians demonize in a bizarrely fearful way. as to the other, i'm afraid i am a skeptic to the point of disbelief but we are allowed to have differing opinions, and i have no intention of fighting you in regard to your beliefs.
and if the city does that to you, why remain there?

Josh
“My city is consittered one of the biggest Witchcraft cities in the usa and you can feel a difference when you leave and then comeback from traviling, you feel this heaavyness that covers your entire being.”

That’s funny. I feel that with all cities.

If you feel a certain way about a place then you are going to feel a certain way about that place.

Does that make sense?

In other words, your feeling of heaviness could very well be of your own making simply because you feel negative about what you believe to be a truth.

I feel negative when I’m around churches. Seriously I do. I don’t believe it has anything to do with magic. It’s just the churches remind me of oppression, so whenever I see a church I think of oppression and it fills me with negative feelings.

I guess I’m just too darn logical.

I do believe in magic though. I have no choice. Just take a look around you. Life is magic!

Or do you have a complete unambiguous explanation for it?

Keep in mind that to appeal to a God is to invoke magic.

I understand you being a skeptic, it is now out there in the front of everyone and believing in it would seem as fatastical as believing superman is real.
Ok, Harry potter is feared by may christians because they are afraid for a couple reasons.
1. The bible states to have nothing to do with Witchcraft or tarro cards or Divination or the like.
2.They are afraid that they're kids will get into witchcraft by reading about it even in a fantacy novel.
I Believe that if you have raised your kids and given them to God the kids will always come back one way or another it's more a matter of time then trying to force them into a place you want them.
kids will find any way to rebel from they're parents and if you have taught them and you let them explore, within reason of course then they will have nothing to rebel against.
I'm sorry if I sounded angry with you curious, I did not mean to come across that way, I appologize.

Sorry, I left out the D.
Live{d} in, I now live just outside the city 30 to 45 mins. away

It doesnt matter what kind of whichcraft it is wicken, white witch ect according to the Bible sorsurors will not in herrit the kingdom of god. Also God preformed mericals there is a diffrance. Im not judgin anyone thats not my place I just feel consern for the relm of pegonistic play that they are missing out on the best thig in life

God can also spell..it assists with eloquence michelly

Abra, It's not Just me, there are people who have no idea about the witchcraft thing and they are fine until the enter the city.
These are the people who are spiritually tuned.
I understand about feeling heavy around churches and there have been alot of people that let flesh take over for they're own natures.
I am saddend that people act on they're own without thinking about what the nature of God is.
Christians do not use Magic as you put it, the God of Christianity said to not use magic,Divination,Tarro cards and the such.

by saying the GOD of christianity are you implying there is more than one GOD

I beleive that magic exists, but only God and Satan control it. I don't beleive that we can control magic, but by opening yourself to the practice, you are actually opening yourself to Satan.

What's the point of attempting to make others view EVIL with your eyes? Since it's the nature of man to succumb to evil, no matter what evil you point there will be another to take it's place. That is the view of Christians, so why are Christians always to quick to point out the evils in others?

Why don't Christian tell stories about themselves instead? That's good, I think I'll post that as a topic.

now i hate to harp on this point of my disbelief, i'm not meaning it in your direction josh, just other people coming in won't read my previous posts usually. but its interesting, what imbues tarot cards and the like with supernatural or even anatural powers? why that specific vehicle or mode if you will? i need a reason for that distinction to grasp the undergirdings here.

oh and redykeulous, two things, one i agree with you and i think c.s. lewis (who was also a christian theologian, an apologist specifically) said it most accurately: "The biggest enemy of Christianity is Christians." not to say all of them, but the ones who choose to exemplify distorted, judgemental and hurtful viewpoints. also, there's an interesting excerpt from the book blue like jazz which...well long story short, some Christians do. The loud vocal judging ones just get the attention.

Hupuppy, I didn't mean it to sound that way but you made a good point.
There is only one God, I was trying to approach it more from a more logical point to show that God in christianity is the only one who disaproves of such things as magic.
Curious22, I take no offence by your questions because after all you are only curious about why I say what I say.

What Imbues all things such as Tarot Cards, Divonation, witchcraft, psychics and other things like that are calling out to satan to bestow some kind of power in one way or another, Although most do not know or want to believe it comes from him.
They allow you to open your mind to all sorts of things satan wants you to hear.
If you leave your door open in a bad neighborhood and have a sign that said welcome, Now wouldn't it be logical that someone is going to rob you?
same way with anything of those too, if you go to a psychic you leave your door open in your mind, you are saying welcome in to whatever is out there and let all sorts of bad things in, it is logical that satan will take anything he can from your spiritual walk from God.
Satan really doesn't care what you do as long as you keep your eyes off of God.
all the things I meantioned all come from the same power and even though they are not all witchcraft they are all derived from that power source.
If you have any more questions just let me know curious, I really don't mind and won't get upset.