Topic: Newspapers And Gun Control
TxsGal3333's photo
Tue 12/08/15 07:30 AM

The fact that people buy guns, doesn't mean
that they want EVERYONE to have them
But it does support the idea that Americans are more in favor of firearms ownership and gun rights than gun control....which, Im guessing, is TxsGals point. Proof you say? Sure....from none other than a liberal rag, The New York Times.....

"" a
majority of Americans say it is
more important to protect the right
of Americans to own guns than for
the government to limit access to
firearms, a Pew Research Center
survey conducted this month found.
The center said that it was the first
time in two decades of its surveys
on attitudes about firearms that a
majority of Americans had
expressed more support for gun
ownership rights than for gun
control.""
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/us/gun-control-gun-rights-pew-survey.html?referer=&_r=0

Ms TxsGal...forgive me if that wasnt your point...or, at least, part of it.


it's me intently opposing ignorance
and lie based arguments on my behalf.
Amd yet not one word on posts about "high caliber automatic weapons easily available to mental cases".....very telling


Thank you Rebel, yes that was part of my point..

Gun Control is not the solution for the Mass Murders going on... Those will get the guns no matter what.. People need to be able to protect themselves..

Taking away our rights will not solve the problem that is happening..

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Tue 12/08/15 07:35 AM
You can't lie in defense of truth, and expect to promote anything but lying.



Well said! drinker



I sticking with my firm belief, those who need automatic weapons to protect themselves are insecure as hell and are in no way capable of owning such a deadly weapon safely amongst normal peeps! waving

metalwing's photo
Tue 12/08/15 07:36 AM
A major point is that gun ownership is a RIGHT in the US, just like free speech. Just because someone, a newspaper, a politician, 50% of the population, or even a group of congressmen wants to abridge that right, the Constitution prohibits the abridgement.

The main problem, IMHO, is that the government has slowly become soft on those who would do us harm.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 12/08/15 07:41 AM

You can't lie in defense of truth, and expect to promote anything but lying.



Well said! drinker



I sticking with my firm belief, those who need automatic weapons to protect themselves are insecure as hell and are in no way capable of owning such a deadly weapon safely amongst normal peeps! waving

WHAT "Automatic" Weapons?
Please explain your take on AUTOMATIC!
Your "Belief" about Firearms is quite garbled!
Civilians,except for a very few exceptions are not allowed to own Automatic Firearms!

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 12/08/15 07:45 AM


At what point does a guaranteed Constitutional right, that shall not be infringed, come into the conversation?

So now we target gun ranges? Why not flight schools? Safe driving schools? After all the supposed 9/11 terrorists attended flight schools and more people are killed each year by vehicular accidents.

Take away gun ranges and safety classes and that helps the problem? slaphead


The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of
himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it
from the State government. It is one of the "high powers"
delegated directly to the citizen, and 'is excepted out of
the general powers of government.' A law cannot be passed to
infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and
independent of the lawmaking power.

Texas Court Decision
Cockrum v. State, 24 Tex. 394, at 401-402 (1859)]

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Wed 12/09/15 08:06 AM
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/josh-freed-when-it-comes-to-guns-our-u-s-neighbours-are-mystifying?ref=yfp



Another week, another mass shooting at our next-door neighbours to the South.

Ten years ago, I was shocked and depressed at each new U.S. mass killing, but somewhere along the way I became numb, because they’re so predictable — like turning to the obituary page and seeing more people have died.

So as I surfed around online last Wednesday and saw CNN alerts blaring “LIVE SHOOTING EVENT IN PROGRESS IN SAN BERNARDINO” — like an entertainment banner — I didn’t pay attention.

My only reaction was “I hope it’s not ISIS” — and we won’t be certain until more facts emerge. But there have been more than 350 mass U.S. shootings this year, according to shootingtracker.com — more than one a day.

And that’s what leaves me numb and mystified by my American neighbors.

As a Canadian I see the U.S. as our closest family, like us in so many ways. Sure we differ on capital punishment (but they’re moving our way) and on universal medicare (try it, you’ll like it). But when it comes to guns they’re brothers from another planet.

I know perfectly reasonable Americans who keep handguns in their houses like they would an iron or hammer. They see guns as part of home security, as casually as I do a door lock, or security code.

That’s why America has 4.4 per cent of the world’s population but almost half the guns owned by private citizens.

Here in Montreal I don’t know anyone who owns a handgun and if they did they wouldn’t admit it — it’s embarrassing. That’s one of the reasons we can walk around our city at night and feel safe almost anywhere — which I don’t in many U.S. cities.

The worst that can happen is someone will snatch your phone or your purse — not your life, during a red light argument.

It’s obvious to most Canadians that America’s problem isn’t just too many gunmen, it’s too many guns. In the last 15 mass shootings the killers all bought their guns legally. That includes the recent San Bernardino murderers who purchased two assault rifles and two pistols at a store called Annie’s Get Your Gun.

Only in America.

Yet the only new gun legislation in North America in the days following San Bernardino was here in Quebec, where we’ve had our own ghastly mass killings. Quebec is creating a long-gun registry so at least we’ll know who owns all our guns.

But in the U.S., the National Rifle lobby has convinced people more massacres just means more guns are needed. Their solution to the Paris killings is to arm everyone — because if all of Paris were packing pistols they could have defended themselves in a shootout in the 11th arrondisement corral.

Incredibly, U.S. gun sales soar after every mass killing. The biggest sellers are usually the model used by the latest killer, as shootings become advertisements for gun shops. You buy the assault rifle used by the latest killer, so in case of emergency you’ll be equipped as well as your assailant.

This year’s Black Friday specials on U.S. firearms reportedly hit all-time record sales. I’m guessing full body armour will be a big Christmas seller too, since it was used by both the San Bernardino and Paris killers.

You can already see ads online at sites like Body Armour Outlet, offering a “Point Blank Sale — on 71-shot, no-penetration armour.”

The San Bernardino massacre is somewhat different. Generally the killers are white guys — “quiet loners” who’ve broken up with girlfriends, or had a fight at the office, or were racists or women-haters — and took out their rage the easy way in a trigger-happy country.

This time it’s a quiet, loner Muslim couple apparently alienated from American life and eager to slaughter innocent people in the name of a Facebook vow to ISIS.

But no matter who the killers are — enraged ex-lovers or aspiring freelance terrorists, they all require the same instrument to kill so many people — guns. Unlike Europe, North American terrorists can’t easily smuggle guns in through the border — they have to get them here.

So why not make it much harder to buy them at Guns ‘R’ Us?

Last Thursday, the U.S. Senate voted on a bill to stop people from purchasing guns or explosives — if they are on the FBI’s terrorist watchlist. But this was voted down by Republicans who also vetoed expanded background checks for convicted felons.

In the Republicans’ crazy world this infringes on gun liberties. In my world civilian guns would barely exist. Hunters could still keep, or rent guns at their hunting lodge but they’d leave them there when returning to town.

I know that’s really crazy thinking. Better to be sane and normal and have another mass slaughter next week.

And be thankful we have borders between the U.S. and us.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/09/15 08:10 AM
now show us those Full-automatic Clip-fed Weapons please!:laughing:

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Wed 12/09/15 08:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

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Wed 12/09/15 08:27 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Wed 12/09/15 08:27 AM
laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

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Wed 12/09/15 09:28 AM
Yet the only new gun legislation in North
America in the days following San Bernardino
was here in Quebec, where we’ve had our own
ghastly mass killings. Quebec is creating a
long-gun registry so at least we’ll know who
owns all our guns.
Knock yourself out Quebec.....not in the U.S. so I dont care. Sucks for its law abiding ctizens though....having to go to that extra headache because of the actions of a very few. And Im sure those "few" will have no problem signing up on that registry....NOT rofl Ill say this very slowly...Criminals. Dont. Follow. Laws.....its not a very hard concept to understand.
Again though, its not the U.S. so I dont care....Im not so jealous of other countries...as some are...that I have to comment about their policies all the time.
But yea... there was no new gun legislation following San Bernadino....because there was ALREADY gun legislation barring the weapons used.....and that legislation didnt stop the event.
What a $hitty article written by an author ignorant of U.S. firearms laws....he probably thinks "high caliber automatic weapons are so easily available to mental cases" also. Ill informed, agenda driven drivel, simple as that.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 12/09/15 09:53 AM

Yet the only new gun legislation in North
America in the days following San Bernardino
was here in Quebec, where we’ve had our own
ghastly mass killings. Quebec is creating a
long-gun registry so at least we’ll know who
owns all our guns.
Knock yourself out Quebec.....not in the U.S. so I dont care. Sucks for its law abiding ctizens though....having to go to that extra headache because of the actions of a very few. And Im sure those "few" will have no problem signing up on that registry....NOT rofl Ill say this very slowly...Criminals. Dont. Follow. Laws.....its not a very hard concept to understand.
Again though, its not the U.S. so I dont care....Im not so jealous of other countries...as some are...that I have to comment about their policies all the time.
But yea... there was no new gun legislation following San Bernadino....because there was ALREADY gun legislation barring the weapons used.....and that legislation didnt stop the event.
What a $hitty article written by an author ignorant of U.S. firearms laws....he probably thinks "high caliber automatic weapons are so easily available to mental cases" also. Ill informed, agenda driven drivel, simple as that.


Wait wait wait.....someone actually thinks the bad guys are going to register their guns so Quebec will know who owns ALL the guns? laugh

That's hysterical!

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/09/15 09:55 AM

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 12/09/15 09:58 AM

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/09/15 10:03 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 12/09/15 10:06 AM


...........and when you're finally ready to fire,make sure it is fully cocked too!laugh

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Wed 12/09/15 10:30 AM


Yet the only new gun legislation in North
America in the days following San Bernardino
was here in Quebec, where we’ve had our own
ghastly mass killings. Quebec is creating a
long-gun registry so at least we’ll know who
owns all our guns.
Knock yourself out Quebec.....not in the U.S. so I dont care. Sucks for its law abiding ctizens though....having to go to that extra headache because of the actions of a very few. And Im sure those "few" will have no problem signing up on that registry....NOT rofl Ill say this very slowly...Criminals. Dont. Follow. Laws.....its not a very hard concept to understand.
Again though, its not the U.S. so I dont care....Im not so jealous of other countries...as some are...that I have to comment about their policies all the time.
But yea... there was no new gun legislation following San Bernadino....because there was ALREADY gun legislation barring the weapons used.....and that legislation didnt stop the event.
What a $hitty article written by an author ignorant of U.S. firearms laws....he probably thinks "high caliber automatic weapons are so easily available to mental cases" also. Ill informed, agenda driven drivel, simple as that.


Wait wait wait.....someone actually thinks the bad guys are going to register their guns so Quebec will know who owns ALL the guns? laugh

That's hysterical!


The long gun registry??? is that all you got from that whole point of view article??? noway

Now THAT'S hysterical!!!! laugh

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Wed 12/09/15 10:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4



Please watch these... they're funny and you may learn something from em :wink:

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 12/09/15 10:50 AM



Yet the only new gun legislation in North
America in the days following San Bernardino
was here in Quebec, where we’ve had our own
ghastly mass killings. Quebec is creating a
long-gun registry so at least we’ll know who
owns all our guns.
Knock yourself out Quebec.....not in the U.S. so I dont care. Sucks for its law abiding ctizens though....having to go to that extra headache because of the actions of a very few. And Im sure those "few" will have no problem signing up on that registry....NOT rofl Ill say this very slowly...Criminals. Dont. Follow. Laws.....its not a very hard concept to understand.
Again though, its not the U.S. so I dont care....Im not so jealous of other countries...as some are...that I have to comment about their policies all the time.
But yea... there was no new gun legislation following San Bernadino....because there was ALREADY gun legislation barring the weapons used.....and that legislation didnt stop the event.
What a $hitty article written by an author ignorant of U.S. firearms laws....he probably thinks "high caliber automatic weapons are so easily available to mental cases" also. Ill informed, agenda driven drivel, simple as that.


Wait wait wait.....someone actually thinks the bad guys are going to register their guns so Quebec will know who owns ALL the guns? laugh

That's hysterical!


The long gun registry??? is that all you got from that whole point of view article??? noway

Now THAT'S hysterical!!!! laugh
yep,the Trash in the Article is sure hysterical!
Got more containing Histrionics like that one?laugh

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Wed 12/09/15 11:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4



Please watch these... they're funny and you may learn something from em :wink:
Why should anyone take any direction from you on U.S. firearms law and firearms in general? Youre not American. Youve proven time and time again that you know nothing about either....from your lack of knowledge about magazines, automatic and semi-automatic weapons, and your huge faux pas on the first page of this thread. And you want someone to look at a youtube video as some "gotcha" moment? Nah...Ill pass.

panchovanilla's photo
Wed 12/09/15 11:49 AM
Edited by panchovanilla on Wed 12/09/15 11:52 AM
I'm going to digress a wee smidge.
Please don't shoot me.
I have guns. All legal. All registered.
I like to hunt and target shoot.
But I don't walk around "strapped" or "packin".
But then, I live in an area where people don't tend to shoot one another.
I consider that a blessing.
But people are good at killing each other...the world over.
Always have been.
Guns just make it easier. But knives, machetes, bombs, scissors,
cast iron skillets, pitchforks, etc. all work.
A few liters of carbofuran (a agricultural pesticide) in a water supply,
could wipe out a whole community. You wouldn't even have to drink it.
Now doesn't that make you all feel warm and fuzzy?
My point?
Peoples minds, are the most dangerous weapon.
And there's no regulating that.
http://youtu.be/E2VCwBzGdPM

mightymoe's photo
Wed 12/09/15 11:59 AM

I'm going to digress a wee smidge.
Please don't shoot me.
I have guns. All legal. All registered.
I like to hunt and target shoot.
But I don't walk around "strapped" or "packin".
But then, I live in an area where people don't tend to shoot one another.
I consider that a blessing.
But people are good at killing each other...the world over.
Always have been.
Guns just make it easier. But knives, machetes, bombs, scissors,
cast iron skillets, pitchforks, etc. all work.
A few liters of carbofuran (a agricultural pesticide) in a water supply,
could wipe out a whole community. You wouldn't even have to drink it.
Now doesn't that make you all feel warm and fuzzy?
My point?
Peoples minds, are the most dangerous weapon.
And there's no regulating that.
http://youtu.be/E2VCwBzGdPM


thats very true, but the biggest problem is that liberals can't seem to understand that... they think regulations and laws will stop everything, which says to me that they don't really care about stopping anything, they just want to control everything... people have been killing each other for many thousands of years, it's not going to stop because some liberal wants to control one thing or another...