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Topic: Rancher dies in shootout with deputies planning to kill bull
BigSky1970 Joined Tue 03/10/09 Posts: 371	Tue 11/03/15 10:07 PM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? A no.2 pencil, can be a deadly weapon. True. Even your closed fist can be a deadly weapon.

devildog123 Joined Mon 09/08/14 Posts: 3902	Wed 11/04/15 04:17 AM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? Many carry legally (in possession of a permit) others carry without a permit. Yes, many carry them around on their person or in their cars Is it safe to walk around without one? If someone new come to your city how safe will they be? In my opinion.. yes it is. In my general area (greater NYC area) you would be very safe. I have carried weapons.. and used them.. when the situation deemed that to be necessary. But in ordinary times and ordinary day by day life, I do not see the reason for it... again my opinion. In my years after not having the need for a weapon, I have never felt the need again to carry a weapon. And I have never found myself in a situation where I wish I had a weapon on me again.. but I do believe in our rights, and a law abiding citizen has the right to bear arms.. Some chose to... some don't

IgorFrankensteen Joined Thu 10/01/09 Posts: 5444	Wed 11/04/15 04:49 AM
Why is it that you don't have the same law for all your country? Is it because of your size? You have one president for your country why not one law for all? Here we have one law for everyone. to many liberals for something like that here... If you count everyone who wrote and signed the Constitution as Liberals, then this would be accurate. However, I think most of those who talk about the brilliance of the American Forefathers would take issue with that characterization, especially since Liberal doesn't mean the same thing it once did. What's actually true is, that we have a Republic here. It's a different kind of government than some other places have. And since it originated as a confederation of once semi-independent colonies, it includes a lot of separations between authorities.

IgorFrankensteen Joined Thu 10/01/09 Posts: 5444	Wed 11/04/15 04:58 AM
As for the mess with the rancher and the bull, I think a lot of people are doing the typical routine of jumping to the conclusion that whatever their personal prejudices for and against guns or police or whatever have been proved true by this. Despite the fact that all the pertinent information is not presented yet. My own GUESS, is that the reason this happened was because the Rancher in question got angry and started shooting at the police, instead of using reason to try to work things out. Generally speaking, opening fire on other armed people tends to have the result that someone is going to get shot. But we actually don't even know THAT much, from what was posted here. Maybe the Rancher was the hothead. Maybe one of the Deputies was. Maybe the rancher was shot by accident while the others were trying to shoot the bull. Whatever happened, proves absolutely NOTHING about guns or gun ownership, and NOTHING about politics. These particular people managed to kill one of their own, while supposedly trying to take care of accident victims. That means that SOMEONE was either irresponsible or careless, or idiotic. That's all we know right now. Oh, and we CERTAINLY haven't been given any evidence that the bull was just a little rambunctious, and that it could have been calmed down and cared for by the rancher.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Wed 11/04/15 05:08 AM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? Many carry legally (in possession of a permit) others carry without a permit. Yes, many carry them around on their person or in their cars Is it safe to walk around without one? If someone new come to your city how safe will they be? In my opinion.. yes it is. In my general area (greater NYC area) you would be very safe. I have carried weapons.. and used them.. when the situation deemed that to be necessary. But in ordinary times and ordinary day by day life, I do not see the reason for it... again my opinion. In my years after not having the need for a weapon, I have never felt the need again to carry a weapon. And I have never found myself in a situation where I wish I had a weapon on me again.. but I do believe in our rights, and a law abiding citizen has the right to bear arms.. Some chose to... some don't I was caught in the crossfire of a shootout in SOHO, I was first on scene to an armed hostage taking in Vegas... The only place I felt somewhat safe in the US since is frikken disneyland. Why they choose to carry their weapons in public is part bravado and part "it's my right so I will" IMO. No one is safer with weapons on the street, this is truth. Interesting observation, Canadians are armed too but we don't have the need to carry them out of our homes onto the streets. I'm deadly accurate at 100yrds and I'd use it to protect my home & family. As a side note, I was close enough to take out both shooters in SOHO NY, let's face it, if I had a weapon, there would have been 3 armed aggressors in the eyes of law enforcement that day... who's who? In my humble opinion, most gun toting Americans THINK they're safer with guns on the streets but the reality is they're getting way weaker with them in so many other ways

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 11/04/15 06:06 AM Edited by mightymoe on Wed 11/04/15 06:10 AM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? Many carry legally (in possession of a permit) others carry without a permit. Yes, many carry them around on their person or in their cars Is it safe to walk around without one? If someone new come to your city how safe will they be? In my opinion.. yes it is. In my general area (greater NYC area) you would be very safe. I have carried weapons.. and used them.. when the situation deemed that to be necessary. But in ordinary times and ordinary day by day life, I do not see the reason for it... again my opinion. In my years after not having the need for a weapon, I have never felt the need again to carry a weapon. And I have never found myself in a situation where I wish I had a weapon on me again.. but I do believe in our rights, and a law abiding citizen has the right to bear arms.. Some chose to... some don't I was caught in the crossfire of a shootout in SOHO, I was first on scene to an armed hostage taking in Vegas... The only place I felt somewhat safe in the US since is frikken disneyland. Why they choose to carry their weapons in public is part bravado and part "it's my right so I will" IMO. No one is safer with weapons on the street, this is truth. Interesting observation, Canadians are armed too but we don't have the need to carry them out of our homes onto the streets. I'm deadly accurate at 100yrds and I'd use it to protect my home & family. As a side note, I was close enough to take out both shooters in SOHO NY, let's face it, if I had a weapon, there would have been 3 armed aggressors in the eyes of law enforcement that day... who's who? In my humble opinion, most gun toting Americans THINK they're safer with guns on the streets but the reality is they're getting way weaker with them in so many other ways good thing you're up in safe Canadia... wouldn't want to have anyone scare you with their guns...

MelMaxx Joined Thu 10/28/10 Posts: 4724	Wed 11/04/15 06:38 AM
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1j9b6c5 Joined Wed 11/05/08 Posts: 3954	Wed 11/04/15 06:57 AM
A few years back a twelve-year-old took down three illegal aliens who broke into his home in Mission, Tx. His mom was assaulted immediately(battered). The three fired first hitting the boy in the arm(.38 cal.). He retrieved his carbine (.22 cal.) and opened fire killing one, injuring another. The police arrived with the ambulances (good for the EMT's protection.) The second injured a$$hole was found hiding under a mobile home approximately three blocks over. If not for diligent detective work he would have died. By the way, only U.S. citizens are allowed to purchase, own, and possess firearems legally in the U.S. Go figger. I have never felt safe outside of the U.S.

1j9b6c5 Joined Wed 11/05/08 Posts: 3954	Wed 11/04/15 06:59 AM
Alright Moe! Ya know Superman defends "truth, justice, and...wait for it... the AMERICAN way."

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Wed 11/04/15 10:26 AM Edited by alleoops on Wed 11/04/15 10:26 AM
Comparing one country to another is like apples and Oranges. Here our major cities have high crime rates. If you want to see an example of the type of thugs that roam our streets check this guy out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u85s3twjRs He killed two innocent, unarmed people less than a mile from my home. I don't carry a weapon but have them ready at home.

Drew8888 Joined Sun 10/25/15 Posts: 30	Wed 11/04/15 10:46 AM
This is clearly a tragic story. There must be more to it for it to have escalated to such a point.

Annierooroo Joined Mon 10/20/14 Posts: 12552	Wed 11/04/15 10:47 AM
I wasn't comparing countries I am interested in this as it's new and wanted to understand. I was explaining what it's like here so others can understand where I am coming from and why I was asking questions

Drew8888 Joined Sun 10/25/15 Posts: 30	Wed 11/04/15 11:01 AM
I'm just commenting on the original post. The posts that followed were very interesting as well.

panchovanilla Joined Tue 01/07/14 Posts: 5396	Wed 11/04/15 11:37 AM Edited by panchovanilla on Wed 11/04/15 11:37 AM
Bovine Lives Matter! We need a cow meme, with that ^^^ slogan on it.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 11/04/15 11:44 AM
Comparing one country to another is like apples and Oranges. Here our major cities have high crime rates. If you want to see an example of the type of thugs that roam our streets check this guy out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u85s3twjRs He killed two innocent, unarmed people less than a mile from my home. I don't carry a weapon but have them ready at home. open carry starts in January here... just so you know

Rock Joined Thu 10/09/08 Posts: 21258	Wed 11/04/15 11:49 AM
Bovine Lives Matter! We need a cow meme, with that ^^^ slogan on it.

panchovanilla Joined Tue 01/07/14 Posts: 5396	Wed 11/04/15 11:49 AM
The incident at the start of this thread tells me one thing. People tend to be getting more proficient at capping someone's arse. And don't go with good sense too much. Moo.

Rock Joined Thu 10/09/08 Posts: 21258	Wed 11/04/15 11:53 AM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? A no.2 pencil, can be a deadly weapon. True. Even your closed fist can be a deadly weapon. Or yours, or anyone else's.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 11/04/15 01:27 PM
Others can explain it better. "Right to bear arms." Like a law that has been passed to have the rights to carry am armed gun? no, it's a undeniable right to own guns, to protect ourselves from the government/outside invaders, like England in the late 1700's during our revolution. actual text: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Wow we are not aloud to carry a knife or anything that can be used as a weapon around the streets if caught we can get a fine or jail. Guns are for hunting only but you have to have a licence and the gun has to be unarmed when walking around with it in the bush. It must be locked at all times either in a locked cupboard or a container that is securely locked and hidden. They are very tight here with them. Do many carry them around your streets? Many carry legally (in possession of a permit) others carry without a permit. Yes, many carry them around on their person or in their cars Is it safe to walk around without one? If someone new come to your city how safe will they be? In my opinion.. yes it is. In my general area (greater NYC area) you would be very safe. I have carried weapons.. and used them.. when the situation deemed that to be necessary. But in ordinary times and ordinary day by day life, I do not see the reason for it... again my opinion. In my years after not having the need for a weapon, I have never felt the need again to carry a weapon. And I have never found myself in a situation where I wish I had a weapon on me again.. but I do believe in our rights, and a law abiding citizen has the right to bear arms.. Some chose to... some don't I was caught in the crossfire of a shootout in SOHO, I was first on scene to an armed hostage taking in Vegas... The only place I felt somewhat safe in the US since is frikken disneyland. Why they choose to carry their weapons in public is part bravado and part "it's my right so I will" IMO. No one is safer with weapons on the street, this is truth. Interesting observation, Canadians are armed too but we don't have the need to carry them out of our homes onto the streets. I'm deadly accurate at 100yrds and I'd use it to protect my home & family. As a side note, I was close enough to take out both shooters in SOHO NY, let's face it, if I had a weapon, there would have been 3 armed aggressors in the eyes of law enforcement that day... who's who? In my humble opinion, most gun toting Americans THINK they're safer with guns on the streets but the reality is they're getting way weaker with them in so many other ways .............and WHAT Sights do you use to achieve that "Deadly Accuracy"?