that is no difference at all, how many killed were first ASKED if they were licensed to carry, and how many UNARMED have been killed? we can go on with irrelevant questions all day

the point was about the ASSUMPTION of a threat based upon NO OTHER KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSON WITH THE GUN EXCEPT color of the person with the gun,, simple. .period.

oh and yes, FARRAKHAN< did have a much underreported justice or else event only three weeks ago,,,,,takes time to organize these things

but there is a push for those 10000 volunteers to set up in troubled communities,,,,not that I truly believe anyone asking really cares except to try to disparage Farrakhan or NOI or black people for not caring when black people kill each other,,,,

"" So, I’m driving to my office to
turn in my weekly paperwork.
A headlight is out. I see
a Tucson Police Department
squad vehicle turn around and
follow me. I’m already
preparing for the stop.
The lights go on and I pull
over. The officer asks me how
I’m doing, and then asks if I
have any weapons.
“Yes, sir. I’m a concealed
carry permit holder and my
weapon is located on my right
hip. My wallet is in my back-
right pocket.”
The officer explains for his
safety and mine, he needs to
disarm me for the stop. I
understand, and I unlock the
vehicle. I explain that I’m
running a 7TS ALS holster but
from the angle, the second
officer can’t unholster it. Lead
officer asks me to step out,
and I do so slowly. Officer
relieves me of my Glock and
compliments the X300U I’m
running on it. He also sees my
military ID and I tell him I’m
with the National Guard.
Lead officer points out my
registration card is out of date
but he knows my registration
is up to date. He goes back to
run my license. I know he’s
got me on at least two
infractions. I’m thinking of
how to pay them.
Officers return with my Glock
in an evidence back, locked
and cleared. “Because you
were cool with us and didn’t
give us grief, I’m just going to
leave it at a verbal warning.
Get that headlight fixed as
soon as possible.”
I smile. “Thank you, sir.”
I’m a black man wearing a
hoodie and strapped.
According to certain social
movements, I shouldn’t be
alive right now because the
police are allegedly out to kill
minorities.
Maybe…just maybe…that
notion is bunk.
Maybe if you treat police
officers with respect, they will
do the same to you.
Police officers are people, too.
By far and large, most are
good people and they’re not
out to get you.
I’d like to thank those two
officers and TPD in general for
another professional contact.
We talk so much about the
bad apples who shouldn’t be
wearing a badge. I’d like to
spread the word about an
example of men who earned
their badges and exemplify
what that badge stands for.""
http://wgntv.com/2015/10/29/mans-facebook-post-about-traffic-stop-goes-viral/

yes,


and that's wonderful for him, truly, there are good cops, cops that do their job well , but there are STILL those who aren't and don't



and I once went on a date and wasn't raped

guess that debunks the theory that women can be raped on a date,,,

I, for one, am not surprised you don't get the relevance of my link...now get back up on your wheel and spin some more.

no,,,

generally through out my life, I have had reasonable reading and reading comprehension skills

though I did not click on the link(rarely do in public forums) , I read and responded as intended to what was actually copied into the thread

a black man commenting on how his experience is somehow a reason to discredit or disbelieve the experiences of others,,,,

particularly these two lines,, and I will quote

"According to certain social
movements, I shouldn’t be
alive right now because the
police are allegedly out to kill
minorities.
Maybe…just maybe…that
notion is bunk. "



it is not bunk that many officers who may think twice about killing other types of suspects, don't think twice about killing a suspect who is BLACK





"Maybe if you treat police
officers with respect, they will
do the same to you. "



again, a distraction from the actual movement regarding black lives,,, people understand that 'respect' is important , but also understand that under situations where 'disrespect' is the offense,, DEATH is not the proper consequence,,,

As usual, more....




How you're not dizzy all the time, no one knows Carry on MsH..like i told you once before, folks are tiring of the excuses....but it's a free country....excuse away.

So, Cops now have to ask a person who drew a gun out to shoot if they have a license for that gun before they defend themselves or stop the thug from killing someone?

Again.. and it is the point. How many blacks killed cops and other people ( especially their own) with licensed guns.... my money says none.

Stolen... and being carried for one reason.. to kill.. not to defend


where is the push????.. its being over 8 months since Mr. X made the call to his " security men".

Guess what MS. we will have this conversation in another 8 months.. then another.... they ain't coming... why.. because your Bro's will kill them to.. and Mr. X's supposingly army know this. but you continue to peek out your window and wait for them. At some point in your life you will realize that your hero's are not going to do anything... just talk... paper tigers

devil , when numbers are provided to back up the argument regarding licensed vs unlicensed,, someone can feel free to start that debate

but its not the debate I am having

my statement , for the fourth or fifth time was that

a black man exercising his RIGHT to carry is more likely to be assumed a threat when confronted by a cop than just about anyone else in the same situation

perhaps lending to just about anyone else being more likely to ignite the instinct in a cop to DEESCALATE and keep the situation under control

rather than an instinct to shoot to kill,,,,

and its been exactly two months (not 8) since the well reported call for 10000 volunteers

and only one month since the FORMAL announcement at the justiceorelse event


these things don't happen overnight, and I don't imagine many non black people will know when it happens since these aren't the black interactions that receive press and not the interactions that non black people are impacted by enough to actually research for themselves,,,

you should be a cop, since you have all the answers... then no more thugs need to die, huh...

lol

observing a problem requires one to have 'all the answers',,,?

these threads should be much longer,,,,

formal announcement? X made the statement last spring. this subject was discussed on this site 6 months ago. You were included in these conversations

And yes, non blacks will know when it happens because if it ever did happen it would be all over the news. That black people were finally doing something to clean up the mess they made.. to control the kids they raised. The non black community would like nothing better then to see black men actually take responsibility for their actions and the actions of the sons they father

This is not a new thing?.. it is 2-3 generations old.

So, please we beg of you. Keep us whities advised of when this clean is to ACTUALLY start.. since non whites will not be in the loop

They are not coming MS...your hero's are nothing but talk...They don't have the balls to police the neighborhoods that the cops do... but by all means prove me wrong

BTW.. Any of the males in your family joining X's " black corp".. or is that for other blacks guys to do?

misinformed,, please point me to the time EIGHT MONTHS AGO( that would be February) when we discussed the 10000? I would love to retract and aknowledge such an error, but Im doubting it will be forthcoming,,

the first mention of the 10000 from Farrakhan in the media was when people were inferring and reporting he had called for 10000 to start killing whites, from a statement made with a small audience at a church, to kill those who would kill us, which happened in AUGUST,,,

The LARGE and formal announcement was made at the justice or else march held just this month



and yes, Im sure, just the way cops helping others is ALL OVER THE NEWS

blacks helping each other would be ALL OVER THE NEWS too,,,


as to the rest, its not the job of BLACKS to inform non blacks of anything in the black community,, anymore than my neighbor has to inform me what is happening in their home

I can either ASK or RESEARCH,, that would be MY RESPONSIBILITY as someone not living in their home


but now that we have successfully strayed all over from my statement on perception of threat,, to whether guns are licensed or unlicensed, or whether blacks police their own communities, or whether black fathers are being responsible


,,lets get back on topic,, shall we

I will repeat my response to the disapproval of the statements in the OP, regarding the bundy ranch and capitalism



interesting perspective

interesting point about bundy and his ranch too

whether someone is a gun carrying patriot or a perceived threat,,,,often can correlate to what their gender and race are,,,

Again.. by all means.. please support your hero's ( X and the boys) and start cleaning up your own friggin mess. Blacks need to take responsibility for their own actions. Start by Actually be a Dad.. not just father multiple kids while supporting none of them. ( as evident by the 74% of black households raised my the mother.. or Grandmother) Stop blaming whities for your shortcomings, bad decisions,social failures and lack of parenting skills.. When the black community starts doing that then they will melt into the fabric of America... LIKE EVERY ETHNIC GROUP HAS. By hard work and teaching your kids to succeed

So get the 10,000 black militia in there asap... so they can police their own.. so they can face the guns, the drugs, the violent... clean up the mess and show us white folks how it is done.

Be my guest... show us all how it is done.

But again.... that ain't going to happen.. why.. because as I already stated... your hero's are all mouth... no action. wish as you may.. spin as you do...and continue to wait for the parade that is not coming

Or maybe.. just maybe, changing attitudes of people like you who think that a 14 year old girl can have sex.. because she consented to it.... maybe rethinking topics like that would cut down on the teenager pregnancy rate of black girls...maybe break the cycle.. ya think?.. or is that just whitie's perspective

add another diversion

teen pregnancy,,, smh

you just wouldn't know

so far,, its ok for our kids deaths to be overlooked because they grew up without fathers or because they kill each other or because teens get pregnant, right?


and by the way, not being married to a man in no way means that man is not being a father to their kid,,,,

my first child's father whom I divorced has been MUCH MORE OF A FATHER TO HIM< than the second man I Married (and am still legally married to) could ever DREAM of being to his daughter,,,
(the former is black the latter is white, since we are trying to pin race with character)


but



don't sweat it, keep diverting the issue by naming off all of the things 'wrong' with black people


things that one could not possibly KNOW about an individual they encounter before they decide to take their life,,,


black people have stepped up before, the NOI does many things within black communities as do other groups

and we will continue to do our best to look after 'our own', while the masses sit on their collective ***** and look down their noses in assurance of us getting what we so obviously just deserve because of our inferior character,,,,



the feigned interest can be given a rest now,,,

The tread topic

cap·i·tal·ism
ˈkapədlˌizəm/
noun
noun: capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

understood

and though the definition of Capitalism is clear, like most forms of government, there doesn't really exist a pure form of it

so the non pure form of Capitalism,, one that truly established most of its OWNERSHIP by allowing private owners to oppress and take advantage of the labor of others,,,,,wasn't really initially instigated in any way to advance or 'work' for minorities,,,

even though , after hundreds of years of labor and time invested in the society , those minorities were permitted to join AT THE BOTTOM and 'compete' with everyone else,,,,

I would add, with such a shaky foundation, our 'capitalism' is actually in place to keep those who established that power and ownership off the labors of others to MAINTAIN it while keeping the laborers divided and at each others throats so they can also 'MAINTAIN' their place

which, primarily as the laborers in Americas history, doesn't bode greatly for blacks(or women or native americans), except for those who understand there is a requirement to be 'better than' just to be seen as 'equal' enough to be shown basic dignity or respect or consideration,, let alone to develop 'ownership' ,,,,,

thanks for contributing to my point,,


capitalism is good, capitalism is equality,, capitalism is good, capitalism is equality, capitalism is good, capitalism is equality

Well said, Comrade.
Much better than "they be keepin da man down" or "Burn this b!tch down"

thanks, I guess

lol, not that I would ever advocate arson, and technically its 'da man' that keeps others down,, lol