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Topic: There is no God?
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Wed 11/18/15 11:06 PM
Faith are tested, A Christian without an attack is not yet a child of God or a Christian, Jesus himself faces persecution from men, There is always a temptation and trier in the life of a Christian, it might be any kind or type of temptation, It might be death, sickness, poverty, ect, But all of those count as a temptation and trier to our faith, I talking to you, there was a time i fainted when i was really sick at the point of death from asthma attack, But today i'm heal completely no more again, But if it wishes God to call me home to be with him so be it, But if not, it will not allowed it to come to pass, Your husband is right there in Heaven singing alleluia hosanna to the Lord, Pls don't give up on your husband death by not serving God anymore, The death of your husband was ordained by God for him to come back home, I'm sorry to write to you back because you said no one should respond to you, But i'm lead by God to do so, God still LOVE you my dear, run to him, on the last day of judgement they will be no excuses that it was because of the death of your husband you decided not to serve God again, Remember Hell is real and Heaven is reallY, May God Bless This World Into Your HEART in Jesus Name AMEN!!!!!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/19/15 07:27 AM

Yes there is a God. If there wasn't why do we have morals?


Ethics is an objective, metaphysical necessity of man’s survival. . . .

I quote from Galt’s speech: “Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”

The standard of value of the Objectivist ethics—the standard by which one judges what is good or evil—is man’s life, or: that which is required for man’s survival qua man.

Since reason is man’s basic means of survival, that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil. Since everything man needs has to be discovered by his own mind and produced by his own effort, the two essentials of the method of survival proper to a rational being are: thinking and productive work.

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/morality.html

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/19/15 07:29 AM

Faith are tested, A Christian without an attack is not yet a child of God or a Christian, Jesus himself faces persecution from men, There is always a temptation and trier in the life of a Christian, it might be any kind or type of temptation, It might be death, sickness, poverty, ect, But all of those count as a temptation and trier to our faith, I talking to you, there was a time i fainted when i was really sick at the point of death from asthma attack, But today i'm heal completely no more again, But if it wishes God to call me home to be with him so be it, But if not, it will not allowed it to come to pass, Your husband is right there in Heaven singing alleluia hosanna to the Lord, Pls don't give up on your husband death by not serving God anymore, The death of your husband was ordained by God for him to come back home, I'm sorry to write to you back because you said no one should respond to you, But i'm lead by God to do so, God still LOVE you my dear, run to him, on the last day of judgement they will be no excuses that it was because of the death of your husband you decided not to serve God again, Remember Hell is real and Heaven is reallY, May God Bless This World Into Your HEART in Jesus Name AMEN!!!!!

yep,giving Stones instead of Bread is real too!

Tomishereagain's photo
Thu 11/19/15 09:08 PM
why do we have morals?

Conrad_73 is right on the money!

Whose morals are God's?

Is it moral to wed and have children with a woman just reaching puberty? Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral to stone a woman to death over her dress code?
Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral to have multiple wives?
Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral to kill another human being for murder?
Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral to turn off life support equipment for a brain dead person?
Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral to invade other countries and make them free against their wishes?
Some places on the planet think it is.

Is it moral... I could go on but I think you got my point.

Morality is defined by the masses of a society. What is moral today may not be moral tomorrow.
I choose to be moral.
I choose to have manners.
I choose to have a choice.


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Wed 12/02/15 03:18 AM
Edited by Quoting2400 on Wed 12/02/15 03:25 AM
Let me put in my 2 cents on the subject of science and religion and or God.

Science ce can sometimes verify religious claims. For example, one of the principal doctrines of the Judaeo-Christian faith is that God created the universe out of nothing a finite time ago. The Bible begins with the words, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth” (Gen. 1.1). The Bible thus teaches that the universe had a beginning. This teaching was repudiated by both ancient Greek philosophy and modern atheism, including dialectical materialism. Then in 1929 with the discovery of the expansion of the universe, this doctrine was dramatically verified. Physicists John Barrow and Frank Tipler, speaking of the beginning of the universe, explain "At this singularity, space and time came into existence; literally nothing existed before the singularity, so, if the Universe originated at such a singularity, we would truly have a creation ex nihilo (out of nothing).”

Now the unbeliever can come up with what he or she thinks created the universe out of nothing or use the multi-verse theory. But with that you'll still come back to the first question. What created that universe.

Scientists originally thought that whatever the initial conditions of the universe were, eventually the universe would evolve the complex life forms we see today. But during the last forty years or so, scientists have been stunned by the discovery of how complex and sensitive a balance of initial conditions must be given in the Big Bang in order for the universe to permit the origin and evolution of intelligent life in the cosmos. In the various fields of physics and astrophysics, classical cosmology, quantum mechanics, and biochemistry, discoveries have repeatedly disclosed that the existence of intelligent life depends upon a delicate balance of physical constants and quantities. If any one of these were to be slightly altered, the balance would be destroyed and life would not exist. In fact, the universe appears to have been incomprehensibly fine-tuned from the moment of its inception for the production of intelligent life. We now know that life-prohibiting universes are vastly more probable than any life-permitting universe like ours.

the chances that the universe should be life-permitting are so infinitesimal as to be incomprehensible and incalculable. Stephen Hawking has estimated that if the rate of the universe’s expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed into a hot fireball. P. C. W. Davies has calculated that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for later star formation (without which planets could not exist) is one followed by a thousand billion billion zeroes, at least.

There are a number of such quantities and constants present in the big bang which must be fine-tuned in this way if the universe is to permit life. So improbability is multiplied by improbability until our minds are reeling in incomprehensible numbers. We cannot comprehend it.

The evidence that the universe was fine tuned for life giving the odds that Mabey it was by random chance is Undeniable. And this is just one piece of evidence for God the creator.

To answer one of the OPs questions, I think some people don't believe in God because their "intellect" tells them other wise, I think they are mad at God for something that happened in their life and they can't believe a God, to them if it was one, would allow that. And yes their are super hard questions when it comes to it but it doesn't take away from the fingerprint God left. And this was just one about the creator I didn't say anything about the evidence Jesus left, and he did.

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Wed 12/02/15 03:27 AM

Just to put my own side of this in:

I did not CHOOSE to believe that there is no God. Had I been able to CHOOSE, I would have chosen to believe.

I DISCOVERED that I did not "see" a god in any of what I experienced here.

And as a long time student and researcher of human behavior, I suggest that you recognize that when asked for explanations, it is very common for people to say what they think they should say, rather than what is actually true.

They aren't lying most of the time, per se, it's more that they are reacting to the various challenges they think they see in the asking of the question, and or trying to get something more from the situation than they have.

Thus some self-proclaimed atheists might say they actively rejected God, as in frustration with the way His people behave, while others might claim atheism in hopes that God will notice and step in to reassure them or "buy them back." Still others will be worried about all the eager people who want to run everyone else's lives as God's self-appointed representatives, and will claim atheism as a defense against oppression.


So what exactly did you discover that made you believe their is no God?

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Wed 12/02/15 05:27 AM


Just to put my own side of this in:

I did not CHOOSE to believe that there is no God. Had I been able to CHOOSE, I would have chosen to believe.

I DISCOVERED that I did not "see" a god in any of what I experienced here.

And as a long time student and researcher of human behavior, I suggest that you recognize that when asked for explanations, it is very common for people to say what they think they should say, rather than what is actually true.

They aren't lying most of the time, per se, it's more that they are reacting to the various challenges they think they see in the asking of the question, and or trying to get something more from the situation than they have.

Thus some self-proclaimed atheists might say they actively rejected God, as in frustration with the way His people behave, while others might claim atheism in hopes that God will notice and step in to reassure them or "buy them back." Still others will be worried about all the eager people who want to run everyone else's lives as God's self-appointed representatives, and will claim atheism as a defense against oppression.


So what exactly did you discover that made you believe their is no God?

let's turn it around,what exactly did you discover that rationally,objectively proves to you that God,your Concept of it,exists?

Mind you,Rational Objective!

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Wed 12/02/15 05:52 AM
Edited by Quoting2400 on Wed 12/02/15 06:00 AM



Just to put my own side of this in:

I did not CHOOSE to believe that there is no God. Had I been able to CHOOSE, I would have chosen to believe.

I DISCOVERED that I did not "see" a god in any of what I experienced here.

And as a long time student and researcher of human behavior, I suggest that you recognize that when asked for explanations, it is very common for people to say what they think they should say, rather than what is actually true.

They aren't lying most of the time, per se, it's more that they are reacting to the various challenges they think they see in the asking of the question, and or trying to get something more from the situation than they have.

Thus some self-proclaimed atheists might say they actively rejected God, as in frustration with the way His people behave, while others might claim atheism in hopes that God will notice and step in to reassure them or "buy them back." Still others will be worried about all the eager people who want to run everyone else's lives as God's self-appointed representatives, and will claim atheism as a defense against oppression.


So what exactly did you discover that made you believe their is no God?

let's turn it around,what exactly did you discover that rationally,objectively proves to you that God,your Concept of it,exists?

Mind you,Rational Objective!


First just look at the universe and we can go from their.

But C.S. Lewis once remarked that "God is not the sort of thing one can be moderately interested in. After all, if God does not exist, there's no reason to be interested in God at all. On the other hand, if God does exist, then this is of paramount interest, and our ultimate concern ought to be how to be properly related to this being upon whom we depend moment by moment for our very existence."

Have you ever asked yourself where the universe came from? Why everything exists instead of just nothing? Typically atheists have said the universe is just eternal, and that's all.

But surely this is unreasonable. Just think about it a minute. If the universe never had a beginning, that means that the number of past events in the history of the universe is infinite. But mathematicians recognize that the existence of an actually infinite number of things leads to self-contradictions. For example, what is infinity minus infinity? Well, mathematically, you get self-contradictory answers. This shows that infinity is just an idea in your mind, not something that exists in reality. David Hilbert, perhaps the greatest mathematician of the twentieth century said something like:

The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite to play is solely that of an idea"

But that entails that since past events are not just ideas, but are real, the number of past events must be finite. Therefore, the series of past events can't go back forever; rather the universe must have begun to exist and this causes a problem for atheist like I said before.

the Big Bang represents the origin of the universe from literally nothing. For all matter and energy, even physical space and time themselves, came into being at the Big Bang. As the physicist P. C. W. Davies explains, "the coming into being of the universe, as discussed in modern science . . . is not just a matter of imposing some sort of organization . . . upon a previous incoherent state, but literally the coming-into-being of all physical things from nothing."

Alexander Vilenkin said

"It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past-eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic begining."

And lastly Anthony Kenny of Oxford University says 'A proponent of the Big Bang theory, at least if he an atheist, must believe that the universe came from nothing and by nothing." But surely that doesn't make sense! Out of nothing, nothing comes. So why does the universe exist instead of just nothing? Where did it come from? There must have been a cause which brought the universe into being.

Do you think whatever begins to exist has a cause

When it comes to the existence of the universe it comes down to 3 choices.

That the fine-tuning of the universe is due to physical necessity, chance, or design.

Which one do you think it is?

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Fri 12/04/15 04:53 PM
Hi if you want a book you could look up on google it is The Great Controvery. Hope this helps

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Fri 12/04/15 11:21 PM
no god no king only whatz? damn......evil......ghost......deads........pitchfork

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Sat 12/05/15 01:58 AM
God left an instruction book for mankind, it's called His word. Also known as the Bible. If people followed the direction and principles within, the world would truly be a different place. Take the "golden rule" for example; if I did all I could to treat you well and make you happy, and you did the same in return,....we would both be happy! if everyone else did the same, ....you get the picture. The Bible has the answers. ..You need but sincerely want to know and make the effort to look.

alaug's photo
Tue 12/15/15 07:12 AM
yes God is live

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 12/15/15 07:33 AM

God is there but you are. Just upset with him. There is a way God talks to his children if you don't hear his voice the bible is clear then you are non of his.
laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 12/15/15 07:35 AM

yes God is live

Prove it!

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Tue 12/22/15 07:42 AM


yes God is live

Prove it!

rofl rofl

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Tue 12/22/15 11:14 AM
well,Mister,you had better educate yourself on the Difference of Theories and Hypotheses!
Suffice it to say,Religion and the Existence of God is just an Unproven Hypothesis!
Do rationally prove it otherwise!





The theory of evolution is the unproven hypotheses. Darwin himself questioned the lack of transitional fossils, and nothing has ever been proven to evolve into another species. The more science probes into DNA and life form the more ridiculous the theory of evolution becomes.
There is plenty of proof of God's existence and one is Bible Prophesy. How else could events be predicted hundred's of years in advance?

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Thu 01/14/16 01:54 AM
GOD GAVE MAN FREE WILL., THE FREE WILL TO DO AS THEY PLEASE,THE FREE WILL TO BELIEVE IN HIM. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT ,HE EXISTS AND HE WALKED THIS EARTH THROUGH JESUS

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Thu 01/14/16 04:16 AM
I think there is no God and the reason i say that is because the human race is still living.When we all know if there was a so called God or God's that he would have got rid of the human race already.that's why i think there is no God because he was defeated by the Devil and that's why we live in such a ****ed up world

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