"We are on the verge of a global transformation all we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." --David Rockefeller

David Rockefeller is a coconspirator, which is fashioning a "New World Order" under an "Authoritarian Global Government".

if you think these quotes have no meaning, then im sorry but your a fool.


and yes 2 people on a chat forum say im wrong, and while they both seem pretty intelligent, i'd rather believe actual people such as



Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, PhD, Professor of Metallurgical Engineering, "Clearing our minds of the fear of painful truths is essential to clearing our nation of destructive lies. Otherwise, we stay stuck in a delusional democracy. ... Scholars and professionals ... have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false." (source)

Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, BS Metallurgical Engineering, MS Metallurgical Engineering, PhD Materials Engineering, Professor of Metallurgical Engineering, University of Wisconsin, Madison 1965 - 1978. Senior Staff Member, Congressional Office of Technology Assessment 1978 - 1990. Testified more than 50 times before Congress on technology, science, and environmental issues. Former Director of Environment, Energy and Natural Resources, National Governors Association. Dr. Hirschhorn has been a consultant to industrial and chemical companies, DOE laboratories, state governments, and public interest organizations.

Dr. Hirschhorn says, "Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise—including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots—have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned. They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations. Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response. We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now—not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books—so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed. We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."

Dr. Hirschhorn's essay, Painful 9/11 Truth, 9/4/07: "Many technical analyses cast doubt on the official explanation of the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings, including those presented by an impressive new group: Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. More difficult than discovering the truth, however, is convincing most of the public to accept the bitter truth. ... When it comes to 9/11, we face the strong belief that only al-Qaeda caused 9/11. But analyses by many experts reveal the collapse of the three WTC buildings was not caused by the two airplanes exploding into the twin towers. Without getting into details that one can spend many hours examining on a number of websites, the general view is that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. If correct, the immediate reaction is like a cosmic big bang. It would have taken considerable effort by a number of people with expertise and access to the buildings to rig them so that they could be intentionally collapsed when the two jets hit the towers. Tough questions flood in: Who could have engineered all this? Could foreign agents accomplish such complex actions - and if they did, why not take credit for it? If Americans did it, why would they intentionally inflict inevitable mass death and devastation? Worse, they seemingly knew about the plan to fly the jets into the towers. Post-9/11, why have the government and official investigations not come to the same controlled demolition conclusion? This makes sense if the government was involved. ... Like other groups, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth wants a new, honest and comprehensive study that considers all the evidence for controlled demolition. As a former engineering professor with growing skepticism about the official WTC story I share their concerns. First, let the technical truth emerge. Then, if necessary, cope with the inevitable political, conspiracy and other questions. But let us not allow a possible painful truth block the primary task of determining once and for all what caused the collapse of the WTC towers and building no. 7. ... If those that believe the official 9/11 story - especially elected officials - trust their views, then let them support a serious effort to test the validity of the controlled demolition hypothesis. If they fear and reject doing so, then let us see that as suspicious and unacceptable. To sum up, horrific possible answers can cause us to shun a question. But clearing our minds of the fear of painful truths is essential to clearing our nation of destructive lies. Otherwise, we stay stuck in a delusional democracy."

sorry if i tend to believe someone like that, than 2 people of whom i dont know on a forum.

while hotrod and metalwing both seem intelligent, i must ask

what PHD's do you have and what university did you get them from?

nobody is saying that there isn't inconsistencies with the 9-11 report, which would be true with just about any report on something like this...

but trying to compare the towers with other fires isn't something that can be done, for 2 main simple facts: all fires are different, none are the same... different fuels, different size spaces that are on fire, different chemical makeups.... another would be how the buildings were constructed...

the taller buidings of WTC were made of a exo-skeleton, meaning some of the supports were on the outside of the buildings, not the inside like most buildings... that support structure was weakened when the planes hit the buildings, one side taken out completely when the planes crashed, and the other 3 sides weakened as the resulting explosion...
(these are what fell on b7)
and i guess everyone knows what happens when support structures loses integrity... the remaining supports are doing extra workloads they were not designed for...

why is that important? do you want to talk about 9-11, looking at logic or just argue about someones schooling? stay on the subject and quit trying the diversionary tactics...

BTW, MW holds a Physics degree, and worked at NASA before obarry shut it down... and i believe HR is a journalist that has done extensive research into 911...not that it matters, because everything they both were saying is nothing but logical, which is what you should be focusing on in the first place...

we've all been in the discussions before, for the last 13 years, check back in the history on Mingle and you will see...

1. Typical temperatures of flames. The "adiabatic flame temperature" of a given fuel and oxidizer pair indicates the temperature at which the gases achieve stable combustion. Smoldering cigarette: Temperature without drawing: side of the lit portion; 400 �C (750 �F); middle of the lit portion: 585 �C (1,100 �F)
2. Fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire

So the fires raged on at 1800 degrees for hours in WT7?

A few desks and office furniture made a fire so hot it weakened steel beams?

When you stand six feet away from a raging campfire you can warm your hands. You cannot put your hands into boiling water. Water boils at 212 degrees.

How far away from the raging fires were the steel beams?

the falling debris ruptured a diesel tank... you didn't add that into the fact...

LMAO

and what has the boiling temperature of water,and the temperature of a Cigarette have to do with the Fires in the WTC?

yep,Joel Hirschhorn!

i never questioned metals or hotrod's intelligence, i actually said they both seem very intelligent. i still say though, 9/11 was done by corrupt sections of our own government. to user in the new world order, look around you. its all happening.

i'm not disagreeing that NWO might be making a grab, seems evident enough, but did you think that maybe they just took advantage of situations instead of creating these situations? to me, that seems much more likely...

Highly plausible to my mind also; the movers & shakers of this world know when an opportunity presents itself and are quite able to 'JUMP' on that event and the subsequent human shock that follows the horror!

And whats that rocket doing on top of the tower? It's an escape vehicle for Bush and Cheney after they lit the bombs. Anybody can see that.

could be moe. definitely could be. but...

"We are on the verge of a global transformation all we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." --David Rockefeller


take that quote, and research "operation north woods" where OUR own gov. was going to execute terrorist attacks against its own citizens to try to start a war with cuba, and one of those plans was to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings...


if our own government considered doin this EXACT same thing in the past, what makes you think they wouldnt actually go through with it?

because there is no evidence they have...could, might and possibles are not considered evidence... would you convict someone who could have done it rather than someone who did do it?

all im saying is that they have considered this EXACT same thing before, in order to try to influence the american people to be favorable of wars.

true, they have, and probably worse things we don't know about... but for every person that dreams up these things, there are more that won't let it happen... keeping something that a secret isn't an easy thing, the more that know the secret, the less it becomes a secret....

Hey, how's that ISIS recruitment program working out for ya? Maybe all the beheadings at the hands of those radical Islamic extremists are inside jobs as well. How about the USS Cole or this litany of attacks against the United States, which you probably believe are also the work of the U.S. government.

https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/list-of-islamic-attacks-against-america/

I suppose all of these are the work of conspiracies by the United States government. You probably believe the attack on Pearl Harbor was also an inside job.

And by the way, do you think if George W. Bush and his cronies were as monumentally stupid as the liberals made him out to be, that he would have been able to get away with such an atrocity perpetrated against the American people? You folks want to have it both ways, but you never sit down and do the math. You people are clueless.

i didnt say everything is a conspiracy. i said the story of 9/11 is BS and the majority of americans agree.

The majority of Americans voted for Obama twice so I wouldn't hang my hat on that statistic.