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Topic: Some of my best friends,,,,
msharmony's photo
Thu 06/11/15 12:20 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/11/15 12:21 PM
Why do people still use this as some disclaimer to their bigotry?..lol

I have a coworker who says this immediately before he disparages a group of people,,and I thought it would have gone out of style by now,, it even sounds condescending


I found that people often have bigotry(in general) about certain groups but are able to make exceptions for those who don't fit their bigoted view of that group

and often times they seek out exceptions who also believe themselves to be exceptions because they can continue to validate with their own belief about the 'others', all the bigoted views and assure that person they aren't a bigot

so, like " I know alot of really strong women,, one of my good friends, she handles all her own bills and makes really good money,,,,but,, women aren't strong enough to be out working beside men'


it doesnt seem any less bigoted just because its pre quelled with a statement about how much you happen to admire ONE Female,, does it?



lol


end of vent,,,




regularfeller's photo
Thu 06/11/15 12:33 PM
Some of my best friends are bigots!

:laughing:

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/11/15 12:43 PM

Some of my best friends are bigots!

:laughing:





laugh laugh

PacificStar48's photo
Thu 06/11/15 12:58 PM
Yep there are always going to be "those kind of people" in the world.

But as long as they are judged then they think they have a right to judge. Discrimination goes both ways.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Thu 06/11/15 01:42 PM
I'm against prejudice, obviously. That goes without saying. But... We are all prejudiced TO A DEGREE. I hate stereotypes. I treat people as people first and foremost. Republicans... that's a different story but people... You get it.
The problem we as humans have is hardwired into our DNA. You protect those that look sound....etc like you. Our DNA doesn't have an agenda but written history does. Our written human record doesn't tell us that skin pigmentation is EQUAL among ALL RACES, the difference is where in your skin the melanin is located. That's how we tan. The closer to the equator our ancestors are from more of that pigment stays closer to the skin's surface. That's it. Solving this is IMPOSSIBLE because it ISN'T A PROBLEM, it's a SOLUTION.

regularfeller's photo
Thu 06/11/15 01:46 PM

I'm against prejudice, obviously. That goes without saying. But... We are all prejudiced TO A DEGREE. I hate stereotypes. I treat people as people first and foremost. Republicans... that's a different story but people... You get it.
The problem we as humans have is hardwired into our DNA. You protect those that look sound....etc like you. Our DNA doesn't have an agenda but written history does. Our written human record doesn't tell us that skin pigmentation is EQUAL among ALL RACES, the difference is where in your skin the melanin is located. That's how we tan. The closer to the equator our ancestors are from more of that pigment stays closer to the skin's surface. That's it. Solving this is IMPOSSIBLE because it ISN'T A PROBLEM, it's a SOLUTION.


surprised

We're all brown on the inside!

You sir, are a genius!

:thumbsup:

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Thu 06/11/15 04:07 PM
Why do people still use this as some disclaimer to their bigotry?

Because this is the time of uber PC?

Where no one can do anything that any other person may consider bad without it meaning the entirety of the person doing it is a "bad" person, an absolute character without shades of gray, because to do so makes the person the devil?

So they always have to come up with reasons why they aren't like "those" people which aren't part of the "good" group?

I have a coworker who says this immediately before he disparages a group of people

Is it any different than saying:
"Sorry, don't email me anymore. I don't date black/asian/white/hispanic, I'm not racist...it's just a preference!"

You find no irony:
I found that people often have bigotry(in general) ... end of vent,,,

(american) Bigotry - intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Isn't starting a forum thread to vent about the ideas of other people bigotry?
You can't tolerate their opinions...so you vent...to strangers on the internet, about how wrong their individual beliefs are.

people often have bigotry(in general) about certain groups

Everyone is bigoted against something.

Just with the way things are as long as you are bigoted against the "right" things that you think you are supposed to be bigoted against, then you don't classify as a bigot.

it doesnt seem any less bigoted just because its pre quelled with a statement about how much you happen to admire ONE Female,, does it?

I don't know.
I don't know the person involved nor was I privy to the conversation.

Lots of people have trouble communicating with others they don't have a close social bond with.

So sometimes what comes out of their mouth is not what they "really" mean but it's been filtered through terminology that's expected by the listener, and sometimes seems to follow a script based on a polarized belief system.

Sometimes the perceived bigotry is in the listeners head even though the words that come out seem to support it, but what motivated the speech was in no way influenced by any bigotry.

Sometimes people say something they in no way mean, in any shape or form, it's only about continuing a conversation in order to develop a relationship bond. Sometimes to make working together more enjoyable, easier, or to manipulate a response that's understood making someone more familiar.

Our DNA doesn't have an agenda

Sure it does. Survival and propagation.

I'm against prejudice, obviously. That goes without saying.

Why is that obvious? Why does it go without saying?

I am prejudiced against middle easterners completely covered in clothing from eyes to feet getting on airplanes with me.
I am bigoted against al qaeda and ISIS.
I am prejudiced and bigoted against politicians.
I am prejudiced and bigoted against people owning pets.
I am prejudiced and bigoted against people that abuse their kids.
I am prejudiced and bigoted towards felons, especially violent ones, and kiddy diddlers.

Should some of those people not be prejudiced and bigoted against?

Prejudice and bigot are useful terms to help communication.
They shouldn't be symbols of evil that people point to nor use in order to attempt social shaming to shortcut the thinking process.

So
Why do people still use this as some disclaimer to their bigotry?

Besides being uber PC this time is also the time of a complete lack of personal responsibility.
Instead of taking responsibility for their beliefs people have to come up with reasons why they aren't the bad guy.

If they don't, then other people go off to online forums, or other friends, or bosses, or the government, and "vent" their displeasure, and then everyone scrambles to get rid of the "bad" guy so they can't be infected and prove they are one of the "good" ones.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/11/15 04:38 PM
It's too bad that some parties are accused of bigotry when they aren't bigots at all.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Thu 06/11/15 05:22 PM
The modern bigotry has developed some new twists. More than anything else, some of our wonderful politicians have decided to try to win over the various bigots, by coming up with new cover stories for them, which conveniently blend right in to their non-bigoted political agendas.

One of the tricks is to claim it isn't racism, if it's something they can blame on "urban culture."

Another trick, is to proclaim that it isn't women's fault, that those darn feminists forced them to pretend to be rough and tough, and to over-reach and stress out, and try to take on jobs that are outside their natural genetic limitations. And of course the older idea that encouraging women to think they are equals, is actually a form of "reverse prejudice." I love that one.

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Thu 06/11/15 06:22 PM
Long time ago I was a branch manager of this company and had to fire a man that refused to perform a task assigned him by his supervisor for no reason other than he did not want to (this man's words, not mine). He worked alone at night and his refusal to do his duty resulted in our employer nearly losing the account.

When I went to the unemployment hearing on the company's behalf the hearing officer asked me for my side of the story which is what I stated above.

When she gave the man his turn to speak, he just pointed at me and shouted, "That man is a prevaricator! He fired me just because I'm black!"

The hearing officer looked at me with an expression like she did not know what to say.

So, I spoke up and asked, "Who hired you?" He replied, "You did!" I asked him, "Who signed off on your successful completion of the probationary period and awarded you the maximum allowable raise?" He responded, "You did".

Then I asked, "And what race were you when I hired you, reviewed your performance evaluation, and increased your wage?"

His mouth opened but he said nothing.

The hearing officer asked him if he had made ANY attempt to perform the task he was assigned and he stated he made no attempt because there was no way he could have completed it in the course of his shift. She advised him that this refusal to even TRY was sufficient grounds for dismissal and she was going to deny his claim.

She told me that while she got my point that perhaps I had not chosen the best way make it.

I have never understood what gave this man that impression of me. All I can imagine is that his being a considerably older man that he had been subjected to discrimination based on his race during his life and it was this life experience that had him convinced this is the only reason he could have been fired.


mikeyspace4691's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:35 PM
Why aren't there any littleots

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:42 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is a broken record?


regularfeller's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:43 PM

Why aren't there any littleots



:laughing:

An obvious case of discrimination!

You'd laugh if you knew how long it took me to get that!


msharmony's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:47 PM

It's too bad that some parties are accused of bigotry when they aren't bigots at all.



a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance



there is a difference between disagreeing with others and being INTOLERANT of them,,,,so this thread is not a product of bigotry, I disagree with a behavior, I am not intolerant of any group



Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:49 PM

there is a difference between disagreeing with others and being INTOLERANT of them,,,,so this thread is not a product of bigotry, I disagree with a behavior, I am not intolerant of any group


You're just saying that because some of your best friends are ... Oh, forget it. :tongue:

regularfeller's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:55 PM


there is a difference between disagreeing with others and being INTOLERANT of them,,,,so this thread is not a product of bigotry, I disagree with a behavior, I am not intolerant of any group


You're just saying that because some of your best friends are ... Oh, forget it. :tongue:



:laughing:

Go back to melmac! That's right! I'm an alienist! Wait, that means psychiatrist I think...

I'm a specist! :angry:

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 06/11/15 07:56 PM



there is a difference between disagreeing with others and being INTOLERANT of them,,,,so this thread is not a product of bigotry, I disagree with a behavior, I am not intolerant of any group


You're just saying that because some of your best friends are ... Oh, forget it. :tongue:



:laughing:

Go back to melmac! That's right! I'm an alienist! Wait, that means psychiatrist I think...

I'm a specist! :angry:


Does this mean that you don't have friends who are Melmacians?

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 06/12/15 04:55 AM

Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is a broken record?




You are mistaken, if you think that the fact that a problem continues to go unresolved, that it should therefore be ignored.


Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/12/15 05:21 PM


Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is a broken record?




You are mistaken, if you think that the fact that a problem continues to go unresolved, that it should therefore be ignored.




Sometimes, a bigoted party will project one's own bigotry onto others, which is another unresolved problem.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Fri 06/12/15 08:23 PM


Am I the only one who thinks that this topic is a broken record?




You are mistaken, if you think that the fact that a problem continues to go unresolved, that it should therefore be ignored.



25,000 points for that response.
I'm not going to respond 3 times to quote so I'll just say who I'm talking to.
Regularfeller : you sir are awesome. I appreciate the acknowledgement and love the story about the unemployment hearing. You did what you had to do.
Msharmony : you're correct
Ciretom: what I actually meant was racially prejudiced which I'm obviously not because I am biracially mixed and ethnically even more so. If you hadn't taken that short quote out of context you can even glean that much information from my username and photo which are conveniently located to the left of my response.
Anybody can be a smartass and pick pieces of what they want to hear and make a farcical collage of comments to discredit a very real and pressing issue that more than five members here from various racial and ethnic backgrounds support and give credence to. Who are the statistical outliers in this particular case? Ask yourself that.

Everyone on earth is biased to protect themselves from groups or entities that MAY cause them harm. The type of prejudice I myself am talking about is treating all members of a race or religion (not a terrorist organization) differently or badly because of the actions of a few.

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