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Edited by
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no, it's because the Catholics want want total control over everyone they can... Hi Moe 
I was just wondering if SassyEuro2 thought the woman had psych issues because she was gay or because she wanted a child... Religion and control is synonomous isn't it...It's is less to do with worship and more to do with oppression. Plus what Blondey said...Hi Blondey!
sounded like an anti-gay rant to me, that's my best guess... |
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Two Points:
1. A court of law will have to decide if the woman is guilty of breach of contract or if the Catholic school is guilty of breach of contract. Since the actual contract hasn't been posted on this site for all to read, nobody here can possibly know who is in breach of contract. 2. This issue may pertain to the Roman Catholic Church, but it doesn't pertain to all Christianity. Not all Christians are members of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Roman Catholic Church doesn't rule all Christianity. |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... |
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Edited by
RebelArcher
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Thu 05/14/15 06:00 PM
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Just playing devils advocate here.....but the woman worked for that school for 9 years. One wld think she wld know the policies....or, she couldve asked about them before deciding to become pregnant....it was invitro after all...its not like it was an accidental pregnancy. AND she kept quiet about it.
No matter...shes hired a lawyer with experience with this sort of thing. Read more about it here.... http://mtstandard.com/news/local/teacher-fired-for-pregnancy-sues-butte-catholic-schools/article_9f3df7ce-29a7-11e4-805b-001a4bcf887a.html |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Thu 05/14/15 06:00 PM
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract yea, sorry, i forgot that contracts trump what god wants and preaches... no sense in showing kindness and love to people in need.. |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract yea, sorry, i forgot that contracts trump what god wants and preaches... no sense in showing kindness and love to people in need.. God wants us to not sin,,,and not consciously and/or deliberately live in sin as I said before, there is forgiveness and there is consequence, one does not eliminate the other,,, |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract yea, sorry, i forgot that contracts trump what god wants and preaches... no sense in showing kindness and love to people in need.. God wants us to not sin,,,and not consciously and/or deliberately live in sin as I said before, there is forgiveness and there is consequence, one does not eliminate the other,,, he also wants you to be kind to others and love your neighbors... lots of kindness and love shown there, huh... like i said before, all churches are hypocritical, nothing really new in my eyes... things such as this make me realize i'm not wrong in my atheistic point of view... |
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Personally, I believe God (if I believed in God) doesn't care and just wants us to be loving and kind...It is man interpreting his own agenda into religion that is stuck on sin...
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Personally, I believe God (if I believed in God) doesn't care and just wants us to be loving and kind...It is man interpreting his own agenda into religion that is stuck on sin... that would be my best guess, but the churches think otherwise... |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract yea, sorry, i forgot that contracts trump what god wants and preaches... no sense in showing kindness and love to people in need.. God wants us to not sin,,,and not consciously and/or deliberately live in sin as I said before, there is forgiveness and there is consequence, one does not eliminate the other,,, he also wants you to be kind to others and love your neighbors... lots of kindness and love shown there, huh... like i said before, all churches are hypocritical, nothing really new in my eyes... things such as this make me realize i'm not wrong in my atheistic point of view... kindness and love has nothing to do with whether someone is compatible with a job,,,,,churches don't have to hire or keep everyone employed out of 'kindness',, that's silly there is no hypocrisy where there was an agreement , there was an agreement and there is a consistency in sticking to the agreement |
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Personally, I believe God (if I believed in God) doesn't care and just wants us to be loving and kind...It is man interpreting his own agenda into religion that is stuck on sin... what is loving and kind about disobedience and breaching a contract? there is no way around it, the church can set gudelines and conseaquences , so can an employer,, and therefore,, a religious employer can too they aren't obligated to keep all employees forever out of 'kindness',, when they break the contract should they be required to continue one employed who is consistently late or abslent? of course not rules of employment are that,, if you break the,, you have no room to whine about the consequence you agreed to |
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From a catholic priest ... To the best of my knowledge, the only crimes for which the Church says that you must be dismissed are: if you procure an abortion, if you sexually abuse a minor, and if you align yourself with any group that is schismatic with the Church. We all know how the church has bent over backwards to protect priests accused of sexual abuse of minors .. Surely they can see the double standard they promote in dismissing this women for her pregnancy and chosen lifestyle . Even if a nun was to become pregnant she would not be forced to leave her employment with god . She would have to give the child up for adoption but she could still remain in god's service .. Does anyone see the irony here :-) she wasn't employed with the catholic church though,,, |
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From a catholic priest ... To the best of my knowledge, the only crimes for which the Church says that you must be dismissed are: if you procure an abortion, if you sexually abuse a minor, and if you align yourself with any group that is schismatic with the Church. We all know how the church has bent over backwards to protect priests accused of sexual abuse of minors .. Surely they can see the double standard they promote in dismissing this women for her pregnancy and chosen lifestyle . Even if a nun was to become pregnant she would not be forced to leave her employment with god . She would have to give the child up for adoption but she could still remain in god's service .. Does anyone see the irony here :-) she wasn't employed with the catholic church though,,, it's a catholic school...governed by the church... |
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perhaps some undiagnosed psych issues...
Because she is gay...or because she wants a child...??? no , because she agreed to employment under a religion that frowns on her choice of behaviors,,, kind of like if I signed on for telemarketing for the kkk,,,,,I wouldn't be crazy because Im black but because Im a black person who chooses to be employed by a group that is anti black,,,, similarly,, her creaziness is choosing the employment she chose giving the other things in her life that she has chose being so clearly in conflict with that employers culture umm... they can't fire you for being black or being gay...there's laws against that in the US... but it's not about her, it's about the church not being churchlike... that's true, because being black is not a choice like being pregnant, not being married, etc,,,, but my point is about her being not wound too tight ,,,,or having an aagenda,, giving what her lifestyle choices are and who she chose to be employed with,,, and being churchlike means forgiving,,, it says nothing about mandating continued employment and bad examples of the values trying to be taught at the school true, but i'm look at the ungodly aspect from the catholics more than the woman being at fault here... any other job, ahe wouldn't have been fired, and the church should have been the last in line to fire her, from what they preach anyway... if the church had a contract that she agreed to sign that stated that as the consequence,, than they absolutely should have followed their contract yea, sorry, i forgot that contracts trump what god wants and preaches... no sense in showing kindness and love to people in need.. God wants us to not sin,,,and not consciously and/or deliberately live in sin as I said before, there is forgiveness and there is consequence, one does not eliminate the other,,, he also wants you to be kind to others and love your neighbors... lots of kindness and love shown there, huh... like i said before, all churches are hypocritical, nothing really new in my eyes... things such as this make me realize i'm not wrong in my atheistic point of view... kindness and love has nothing to do with whether someone is compatible with a job,,,,,churches don't have to hire or keep everyone employed out of 'kindness',, that's silly there is no hypocrisy where there was an agreement , there was an agreement and there is a consistency in sticking to the agreement well, i think your wrong there... thats what the church preaches, love and kindness to your fellow man... thats what i read in the bible, did you read something else? is firing a pregnant unwed mother to be showing kindness and love? thats no different from the muslims POV... |
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From a catholic priest ... To the best of my knowledge, the only crimes for which the Church says that you must be dismissed are: if you procure an abortion, if you sexually abuse a minor, and if you align yourself with any group that is schismatic with the Church. We all know how the church has bent over backwards to protect priests accused of sexual abuse of minors .. Surely they can see the double standard they promote in dismissing this women for her pregnancy and chosen lifestyle . Even if a nun was to become pregnant she would not be forced to leave her employment with god . She would have to give the child up for adoption but she could still remain in god's service .. Does anyone see the irony here :-) she wasn't employed with the catholic church though,,, it's a catholic school...governed by the church... then that church must have determined the terms of employment,, and if she violated them, she gets what anyone else gets who does the same at their job |
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Our civil laws would never allow such a dismissal for such a reason, it's different in the US, I guess signed contracts hold more weight but these contracts can be easily contested in court.
I googled Montana and at 13% practicing Catholics... It's pretty safe to say if you're in the teaching business, there isn't any other choice, especially if she was Catholic? It could have been handled differently and now this woman gets maternal stress and they get to prove their superiority. 
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