Drugs in his system...

Some states, have what's called an
"internal possession" law.
Whereas, you neednt even be high.
All you need, is any illegal drug in your
system, and you can be charged with
"Internal possession".

Nevada, is/was one of those states.
I reference Nevada for two reasons...
Opie lives there.
And, I use to live just down the street from Opie.

It came from the reporter who is in a relationship to the Assistant State attorney handling this case. There are some MAJOR conflicts of interest here.

Also the States Attorney only told one side of the story, it is coming out from witnesses and the BPD that the initial officers observed a drug transaction and that Grey was a known dealer, but that is neither here nor there. There is something seriously wrong here and I do believe charges are warranted but not to the extent she charged and I believe another prosecutor should be handling the case and a change of venue should happen.

People react differently to medications. One drug can hype someone up and make them do something they would not normally do and to a different person it might mellow them out.

I can speak from experience on this one. I have dealt with a LOT of $hitbags over the years and have had many fisticuffs. I have been jumped, hit, slashed, sprayed, almost run over and had a gun pulled on me all doing Loss Prevention. Also my best friend of over 20 years killed himself while high on Marijuana and had no history of depression and the Medical Examiner after looking over his medical history and detectives interviewing several of his close friends and family members including me, determined that he would not have done it if he was not under the influence of Marijuana.

Who the hell is Opie, if your referring to me you might want to rephrase that. We do still have an internal possession law on the books but it is very rarely used unless you REALLY piss off the cop. They have become very lax on a lot of laws due to prison overcrowding and closures.

Exactly. The moment you link someone up, you own them. You have taken their ability to protect themselves away from them. Also a lot of people don't know this but when you have someone handcuffed face down on the ground you are limiting their ability to breathe properly and are supposed to get them into the prone position as soon as you safely can and while you have them on the ground you need to be constantly checking their condition as their lungs cant fully expand.

i understand that. what im saying is the drugs in his system IMO would not make him want to sever his own spine.

wow now ive heard it all, guy commits suicide because hes high on weed, you've got to be kidding. if this guy killed himself it was not from the weed, as weed is a natural stress reliever. if this guy killed himself on marijuana he obviously had some issues that dont have anything to do with marijuana. i mean i shouldnt say that because everyone is different maybe the marijuana did make him kill himself, but i "highly" doubt it. this guy onviously had issues other than marijuana use if he committed suicide. i know many many people who smoke marijuana, even some who have been depressed and never have i once heard "man when i hit that bong it just made me wanna kill myself". every person i know thats depressed and smokes marijuana is usually able to just look at the situation and be like "its not really that bad, it could be worse"... and exactly how does the medical examiner and detective prove that theory? what evidence do they look at to say "well the weed sure did him in". and just because he had no "history" of depression dont mean anything as its usually the people who seem the happiest that are the most depressed because they mask their feelings. look at how many people commit suicide and their family is like "we never saw this coming" because people are afraid/embarassed to admit they are depressed. like i said its people who seem the happiest on the outside that are the most depressed inside. but like i said i really doubt the weed had anything to do with it and how the medical examiner and detective can positively say the weed caused his suicide is beyond me, that makes 0 sense. thats a new one i never heard before.

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/05/02/video-alert-look-who-the-mayor-of-baltimore-just-thanked-for-their-help-with-the-riots-its-insane/

Maybe illegal drugs played a part in his death too. JMO

how do you figure, he was already hurt when they put him in the van, presumably from the police arresting him, then they drove around for how long with him shackled in the van with no seatbelt, they stopped to check on him multiple times and still failed to buckle him in. illegal drugs dont sever your spine, atleast none that im aware of. they stopped to check on him multiple times and still never buckled him in. if your hands and feet are shackled how are you supposed to stop yourself from sliding around in the van while theyre driving. the inside of the van is probably all smooth metal surfaces so you'll be flying around like a rag doll as they drive.

How do you know so much about what happened when there hasn't even been a trial? Were you there?

You sound like the looters in Baltimore....geesh...

Opie, phonetic pronunciation of O.P.
O.P. = Original Poster
Original Poster = you.

You are the original poster of this thread. Right?

Opie = Opie Taylor, Andy's son.

Based on video, witness testimony, and what police and the Baltimore state's attorney have said, here's an outline of what is thought to have happened that day:

— On April 12, 2015 at about 8:45 a.m., 26-year-old Freddie Gray made eye contact with police officers in his west Baltimore neighborhood. According to a charging document filed by police, Gray "fled unprovoked upon noticing police presence."

— After a brief foot chase, the charging document states, Gray was apprehended and police found a "knife clipped to the inside of his front right pants pocket."
Edward M. Nero, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.

Edward M. Nero, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.
AP

— Police allege the "switch blade" was illegal. But Baltimore chief prosecutor Marilyn J. Mosby said the knife was not a switch blade and was legal under Maryland law, so she says Lt. Brian W. Rice, Ofc. Edward M. Nero and Ofc. Garrett E. Miller illegally arrested Gray.
Garrett E. Miller, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.

Garrett E. Miller, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.
AP

— According to the police report, Gray was "arrested without force or incident."

— But the prosecution paints a slightly different picture, saying that when Gray was placed on the ground, he began to flail his legs. Ofc. Miller placed Gray in a restraining technique known as a "leg lace."

— The Baltimore Sun quotes 28-year-old Kevin Moore, a witness, saying Gray was "screaming for his life at this point." One officer, said Moore, has a knee on Gray's neck, another was bending his legs backward, a description consistent with the "leg lace" move.

"They had him folded up like he was a crab or a piece of origami," Moore said. "He was all bent up."

— At some point during this confrontation, Gray tells police officers he has asthma and that he needs an inhaler. During a press conference on April 20th, police officials said this is the point the arresting officers should have called for medical help.

— Video from that scene — showing Gray apparently screaming in pain — caused much controversy:

Gray is eventually put in the van and Lt. Rice asks Ofc. Caesar R. Goodson Jr. to make a stop a few blocks down at Baker Street. According to police, at this point officers described Gray as "acting irately."

According to the prosecutor, that's when officers put "flexi cuffs" around Gray's hands and they also put on leg shackles.

The Baltimore Sun spoke to Tobias Sellers, who said he heard shouts at that stop. The Sun Reports:

"Sellers, 59, ... said he was among those who started moving toward Gray, and saw police beating him. 'They were taking their black batons, whatever they are, and hitting him,' Sellers said."

Gray is then put back in the van, this time, according to prosecutors, on his stomach and head first onto the floor.

— It's important to note that Baltimore Police Department policy is to buckle prisoners into the van's seat. According to prosecutors and police officials, Gray was never buckled in.

— Police officials have never said when Gray suffered the spine injury that killed him. But prosecutor Mosby said the injuries happened in the van after Gray's transport from Baker Street.

According to Mosby, Gray's neck injury was the "result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the [Baltimore Police Department] wagon."

— What happens next is a long ride across the west side of Baltimore. There are multiple stops to check on Gray and every time, police officers do not call for medical help and never buckle Gray into the van. The Baltimore Sun has made this Google map of the ride:

— At dot No. 4 on that map, prosecutor Mosby says Goodson stopped, checked on Gray but did not call for help or buckle Gray in.

—- At dot No. 5 on that map, Goodson stopped again. Here's how Mosby described that stop:

Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Both Officer Goodson and Porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray's condition. Mr. Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic. Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench however despite Mr. Gray's appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray's condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray per BPD general order nor did they render or request medical assistance."

— According to prosecutor Mosby, while the officers talked, there was a call for assistance for another arrest close to where Gray was arrested in the first place. Ofc. Goodson decided to respond to that call instead of getting medical help for Gray.
Alicia D. White, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.

Alicia D. White, one of six police officers charged with felonies ranging from assault to murder in the death of Freddie Gray.
AP

— We're now at dot No. 6 on the map, where according to prosecutor Mosby, Sgt. Alicia White, who was later tasked with investigating complaints about the Gray arrest, looked into the van.


theres a map in between there showing the ride they took while he was in custody.

She sees that Gray is on the floor of the van and she tries to talk to him, but "she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic. She made no effort to look or assess or determine his condition."

— Without restraining him or calling an ambulance for what prosecutors say was at least their fifth opportunity, the van kept moving toward the police station.

— Donta Allen, the 22-year-old who was arrested at the stop, gave an interview to WBAL-TV in which he said he heard very little during the ride.

"It was a smooth ride," he told the station. "We went straight to the police station. All I heard was a little banging for about four seconds. I just heard little banging, just little banging."

— This is a different version of events from what The Washington Post reported. According to the Post, a police document said Allen had told investigators that Allen heard Gray "banging against the walls" of the van and that Gray "was intentionally trying to injure himself."

— In an interview with CNN, Allen said he did not believe that Gray had hurt himself.

— Sometime before 9:24 a.m., about an hour after Gray's arrest, police make it to the Western District Police Station.

In an interview with WBAL-TV, Allen said he heard police officers say Gray did not have a pulse.

"They called his name, 'Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray.' And he wasn't responsive," Allen said.

Here's how prosecutor Mosby describes what happened then:

"By the time Officer Zachary Novak and Sgt. White attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all. A medic was finally called to the scene where upon arrival, the medic determined Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured."

— In the complaint, written by Ofc. Miller, he simply writes that Gray "suffered a medical emergency" during transport.

— Gray was taken to the University of Maryland Shock Trauma, where he had surgery. He died on April 19. The coroner ruled his death a homicide.

i sound like the looters in baltimore? wtf are you talking about?

Unless he had a bad reaction or taken a bad batch or even a phychotic break due to the extensive past drug use.

You clearly have no understanding have a Suicide\Homicide investigation goes. You seem to be a self thought expert at everything and well your continuously wrong.

I was there, I was interviewed. I saw the reports they gave the family when it was all done and completed. I am sure Doctor's and career Law Enforcement Office and Forensic Evidence Examiners know a little more about this sort of thing then a High School dropout.

That's what I figured, a personal attack.

my question is, how does one prove that marijuana and marijuana alone caused a suicide?

THIS JUST IN....Within the last 20 mins there has been another Baltimore police shooting. Black man running from the police receives a single gunshot wound, and is transported to hospital. A revolver was recovered from the scene.

Crowds are starting to gather in response, and police have formed an ad hoc crowd control posture with only a few officers having shields or riot gear on.

Reporting via FOX reporter who says he witnessed the shooting about 15 yards away from him while sitting in his car and writing notes for his next story.

UPDATE: Apparently now the police are saying they did not shoot at anyone. They say the 'suspect' apparently tossed his gun which discharged (a revolver) and apparently did not hit anyone. The suspect however face planted on the street, and an ambulance was called. Eyewitnesses however are positive they saw the young man get shot by the police. Stay tuned folks.