I agree with you. But you also agree with the methods which were used and your statements contradict each other and you are bringing in a third statement so as not to choose a side.

and im on my own side, I just know that treating people bad is wrong whichever "side" its on.

I can honestly say ive read what ive wrote and in no sentence have I ever said I agree with violence. in fact ive said the opposite at every turn. violence is abhorrent on either side of the coin.

I sympathise and understand a point of view that has been pushed to one side, I think the violence is abhorrent and that goes for everyone that has either blood on their hands or anyone that has engaged in a beating like that.

Everyone has a right to express what they believe in... It doesnt preclude being tolerant or understanding of those that believe other wise...

Tho it is a fact that over the ages, people who have suppressed the freedom of speech and expression (among other suppressed rights) have been met with anger and rebellion...there are also instances when dictatorship has been met with peaceful revolutions....but one way or another, people individually and /or collectively will always have that desire to be free to be themselves and to better themselves...the problem is when they overstep their personal rights and take over someone else's...

I think there are those who respond to suppression of their rights thru anger, tho may be justified in it, are simply being intolerant as well...and exert their rights through a show of force...hence the riotings...not in all cases, mind you...but somehow, increasingly so nowadays...the sad part is... Most changes effected through this process are likely to be short lived and are just done as a gut reaction to the present situation for public satisfaction and not for the long term effects that are really needed...

its been brewing a long long time now and I just think people are tired and angry. all it takes is for the ill call them the "big men" to listen and act on the behalf of the people for the good of the people all people, everyone moving forward together.

IDK... Im not a US citizen...but i do live in a country that is heavily influenced by the US...historically and economically...
Over the years, the US political and social climate has changed in terms of overall satisfaction...
When once we considered the US as a go to for immigration, studies, opportunities... Now...it just seems to me that the US has reached a tipping point in the index...whether it will plateau or drop, remains to be seen... But then that's just my humble opinion... I guess the "big boys" will be determining that outcome... And on behalf of the people with the freedom of speech...i guess it depends on HOW that freedom is to be used... To effect the change you are gunning for...

true and I think tensions and unresolved issues don't help an already delicate situation. the big boys have the power to get beep beep done but they just keep things going in the same direction. things have to change, if Obama can become president and gay couples can marry then why shouldn't they make not unreasonable changes to an outdated and dangerous system which is not good for anybody who has to live in it so to speak.

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