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Why is everything about this so cut and dry? I mean, think about it like this:
Do you love the freedom you have in America? Great. I think considering the repression in many countries, this one should be universally acknowledged as good. Do you love the government and politicians? Now we're getting into murky waters. Do we love the way the economy works? Again, questionable. Do we love the people here? As a whole that's not possible to say, but there are plenty who could definitely make us raise an eyebrow. Loving something shouldn't mean you don't acknowledge its imperfections or that you don't think it can be better, a LOT better in some cases. So if a person refuses to make some, at its root, meaningless gesture to symbolically say that they aren't just going to blindly follow something that they do not have complete faith in, or that can not make the same solemn pledge in return, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. It's the same reason we have people protesting things like Vietnam and Iraq, we may love the country but its leaders don't always do what we think is right and that message needs to be heard. People failing to see the difference between individuals and ideas and whatnot are just sad. |
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RebelArcher
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Sat 04/25/15 09:20 PM
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Then the ONLY way is to keep OUR Freedom is
Yep...at some point we have to decide what, exactly we will stand for...and what symbol upholds and represents that belief. Ive saluted that symbol (our flag) during 4 years as a Marine, and 25 subsequent years as a communty provider (fire dept). I view that flag as whats RIGHT with our country.....as opposed to whats wrong with it...but hey, Im an optimist. Now...if someone wants to ***** and moan...that same flag represents the right for them to do so...and they should still respect what it represents.
by swearing allegiance to it ... Not to make excuses why we can't. b*tch is censored.....my bad |
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For those who still fail to understand. The flag is a symbol of our freedoms. It should be respected by all who breath american air. The constitution, is what protects those freedoms for all. Including the disrespectful pigs who won't salute the flag. I'm with you on this, partner. The symbols we're talking about are representative of a people. Folks who stood shoulder to shoulder and shucked tyranny. People that created a framework that is a beacon, still, flaws and all, for others that value freedom. People that accepted a monumental task and built the country with effort, sacrifice, blood and a vision that provides all of the people that came after the opportunities of America. Symbols represent us. Our Flag is a memorial. It honors those people and the efforts they made to create the world in which some, naively perhaps, belittle it. |
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I am not belittling an object, I cant belittle an object. symbols dont represent ME,, if others choose to let them represent them so be it
to me, people matter, that's it , end of story,, I choose not to pledge anything to objects,, but I will take a vow towards a person its a futile and empty gesture, to me,, like swearing on a bible, and I am a christian,, purely symbolic, and I don't at all feel pressured to take part in it under some idea that I am somehow being disrespectful by not participating,,, I can promise GOD something with no book necessary, and I can care about my country and country mates with no flags necessary either... |
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You're welcome to that, of course. I served to protect your right to do so, Ms.H.
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as did many people I love who love me and take no issue with my choice not to take part in interacting with objects as if they were people,,,
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Symbols represent us. Our Flag is a memorial.
And our small gestures to the flag help to remind us to never forget the effort...and blood given.....to keep what that memorial represents alive.
It honors those people and the efforts they made to create the world in which some, naively perhaps, belittle it. |
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SacramentAl stated >>>
Why is everything about this so cut and dry? I mean, think about it like this: Do you love the freedom you have in America? Great. I think considering the repression in many countries, this one should be universally acknowledged as good. Do you love the government and politicians? Now we're getting into murky waters. Do we love the way the economy works? Again, questionable. Do we love the people here? As a whole that's not possible to say, but there are plenty who could definitely make us raise an eyebrow. Loving something shouldn't mean you don't acknowledge its imperfections or that you don't think it can be better, a LOT better in some cases. So if a person refuses to make some, at its root, meaningless gesture to symbolically say that they aren't just going to blindly follow something that they do not have complete faith in, or that can not make the same solemn pledge in return, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that. It's the same reason we have people protesting things like Vietnam and Iraq, we may love the country but its leaders don't always do what we think is right and that message needs to be heard. People failing to see the difference between individuals and ideas and whatnot are just sad. To true that, I concur completely --- especially since the #1 reason that the 'Under God' was only added to the pledge during the communism scare of the 1950's --- good grief people. The one room school house I grew up attending; well we were repeating it in it's original form for years because that's how the teacher had learned it and she wasn't about to modify her version to 'that new fangled way of saying the pledge to OUR FLAG'! LOL The Pledge was first published in the September 8, 1892 issue of Youth's Companion, a weekly family magazine published by the Perry Mason Company in Boston. With a circulation of over 500,000, the Companion had the largest national circulation of its day. Daniel Ford owned Youth's Companion, and his nephew-by-marriage, James B. Upham, was a key staff member and a junior partner in the Perry Mason Company.
In 1891, Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist and Baptist minister, joined the staff of Youth's Companion. Bellamy was first cousin of Edward Bellamy, author of the widely circulated socialist utopian novel Looking Backward 2000-1887. Written in 1888, this book, which sold over a million copies in its first few years, described a future America completely socialized with all economic activity carefully planned. As Vice-President of the Society of Christian Socialists, Francis Bellamy lectured and preached on the virtues of socialism, giving a speech entitled "Jesus the Socialist," and a series of sermons on "The Socialism of the Primitive Church." In 1891, he was forced to resign from his Boston church because of his socialist views and activities. Seeking ideas to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the discovery of America on Columbus Day, 1892, President Benjamin Harrison had initiated a call for the development of a special patriotic school program to highlight the event. Bellamy and Upham were able to line up the National Education Association to support Youth's Companion as a sponsor of the observance, and arranged for President Harrison and Congress to announce a national proclamation which centered around an American flag ceremony and (then unwritten) flag salute. Bellamy, under the supervision of Upham, then authored the program for the celebration, including the flag salute or Pledge of Allegiance. His original version was,"I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Bellamy considered putting the words "fraternity" and "equality" into the Pledge, but decided against it as equality for blacks and women was a controversial rather than patriotic issue of the time. Originally intended for recitation on that single day, the Pledge was an instant success and was quickly adopted by the nation. The Pledge remained in its original version until 1923 when the words "my flag" were changed to "the Flag of the United States" at the urging of the American Legion's National Flag Conference. The following year the Pledge was altered again with the addition "of America" after "Flag of the United States." This version of the Pledge was codified into Public Law in 1942. The Pledge remained unchanged until the paranoia and hysteria stemming from Sen. Joseph R. McCarthy's "red scare" hearings swept the nation in the 1950s. Fearing Communism might cross the Atlantic and engulf America, a feeling arose in Congress and throughout parts of the nation that by acknowledging "God" as our national symbol, America would be protected from the Communist menace. Scoring a religious Trifecta of sorts, the Pledge was amended in 1954 to include the words"under God;" legislation to add the motto "In God We Trust" to all coins and currency was passed in 1955; and the national motto "E Pluribus Unum" [out of many, one] was changed to "In God We Trust" in 1956. Collectively these measures form an interesting trilogy of laws for a country founded on a secular Constitution and a belief in the separation of church and state. Since 1954, the now religious Pledge has read: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In an attempt to mitigate the effects of this controversial change, some religionists claim that the words "under God" merely declare the right of the people to express their belief in a God, not that the nation itself was founded on a belief in a God. Unfortunately, a look at the historical record indicates the latter is exactly what Congress intended when it inserted "under God" into the Pledge. The resolution to change the Pledge was introduced into the House by Rep. Louis C. Rabaut. He proposed to add the words "under God" as "one nation, under God." Note the placement of the comma between "one nation" and "under God." As part of its deliberations, the House Judiciary Committee solicited an opinion for comma placement from the Library of Congress. Three proposals were considered: one Nation, under God one Nation under God one Nation indivisible under God The Library of Congress reported the following recommendation: ". . . Under the generally accepted rules of grammar, a modifier should normally be placed as close as possible to the word it modifies. In the present instance, this would indicate that the phrase 'under God,' being intended as a fundamental and basic characterization of our Nation, might well be put immediately following the word 'Nation.' Further, since the basic idea is a Nation founded on a belief in God, there would seem to be no reason for a comma after Nation; 'one Nation under God' thus becomes a single phrase, emphasizing precisely the idea desired by the authors . . ." http://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/18510-the-origin-and-meaning-of-the-pledge-of-allegiance WHEW...and to think had it not been for good ole' Joe McCarthy and his 'RED SCARE BS' we'd not be having all of the 'Keep Prayer' out of our schools/off of our money/out of our pledge of allegiance to our flag issues! Geeze, we need to dig him up and kick his a$$ - SERIOUSLY. |
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Symbols represent us. Our Flag is a memorial.
And our small gestures to the flag help to remind us to never forget the effort...and blood given.....to keep what that memorial represents alive.
It honors those people and the efforts they made to create the world in which some, naively perhaps, belittle it. I thought that was what history class and media were for,,lol |
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