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| Topic: 'OFFICIAL STATE BOOK' of TN = BIBLE Good Thing Or Really Stu | |
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This is about as significant as the Eastern Goldfinch being the official State Bird of Iowa or the sunflower being the official State Flower of Kansas.
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thats what I was saying, being that its purely symbolic with no real power,, it would have been nice, but even though its purely symbolic with no real power,,
people would see it as forcing a religion on others.. |
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well just to play the devils advocate. then why not chose the torrah(sp) or the quaran(sp)
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 04/16/15 07:04 PM
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well just to play the devils advocate. then why not chose the torrah(sp) or the quaran(sp) probably because the state is not founded in torrah or Quran customs or laws or traditions and only the smallest minority do follow them and maybe just because, like why the official us bird is the eagle and not a cardinal |
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ah but it is still the endorsement of one religion over others.
which is the core point of the separation of church and state. |
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would have been a lovely symbol but its not gonna happen,, people are too against religion to allow a religious book to be an 'official book' even though that would not entail anything else than symbolism,,, Yep, it would symbolize endorsing one set of religious beliefs over another. and? if that is symbolic of the states history? they still fly confederate flags in the south,, yes? The Bible really isn't a symbol of that state's history. Such a claim is merely a flimsy excuse. yes, but we do have in God we trust on our money? we do swear on a bible still in court? its a religious BOOK, its not a law forcing anyone to follow it The Bible - as opposed to just the Tanakh - pertains specifically to the Christian faith. The motto "In God We Trust" doesn't pertain to any specific faith. Also, the "swearing on the Bible" thing , I do believe, is no longer practiced in any American court. |
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well just to play the devils advocate. then why not chose the torrah(sp) or the quaran(sp) probably because the state is not founded in torrah or Quran customs or laws or traditions and only the smallest minority do follow them and maybe just because, like why the official us bird is the eagle and not a cardinal Uh, the USA isn't a theocracy, and neither is any individual state. Where is the Bible mentioned in the U.S. Constitution or any state constitution? |
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why would you think that,,? presidents also swear upon the bible at inauguration. due to 'religious freedom' its not required, but it is an option,,,
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None of this is any longer relevant because the senate didn't pass it...
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excellent point
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excellent point It may come as a shock, but I do agree with your argument on this. I like the new pic.. |
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u r right, quite a shock.lol
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None of this is any longer relevant because the senate didn't pass it... Thankfully, enough members of the Tennessee Senate have some common sense. |
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seems it ain't happening just yet!
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/16/senate-kills-bill-to-make-bible-official-tennessee-book/25871395/ |
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Edited by
2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Fri 04/17/15 05:46 AM
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Conrad_73 seems it ain't happening just yet! http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/16/senate-kills-bill-to-make-bible-official-tennessee-book/25871395/ TY for the link! Not this go around...but if you think those 'Right Winged Nut Jobs' are going to just disappear; Not Hardly; The Bible will not become the official book of Tennessee this year. Bolstered by opposition from Republican leadership, the Senate voted 22-9 to send the Bible to committee, effectively killing the bill a day after it was adopted by the House. "This isn't the time or place now in the full Senate floor to delve into that. We really need to look into it in committee," Senate Majority Leader Mark Norris, R-Collierville, said about two hours before the vote. Gov. Bill Haslam and Attorney General Herbert Slatery oppose the bill; Slatery recently announced he thinks the bill violates the state and federal constitutions. Norris led the effort to kill the bill in the Senate. He asked for the bill to be sent back to the Senate Judiciary Committee to address the Slatery opinion. The Senate agreed, supporting Norris and effectively killing the bill for the year. "I sure hope it won't pass. I think it'll be a dark day for Tennessee if it does," Norris said Wednesday. "All I know is that I hear Satan snickering. He loves this kind of mischief. You just dumb the good book down far enough to make it whatever it takes to make it a state symbol, and you're on your way to where he wants you." Bill sponsor Sen. Steve Southerland, R-Morristown, and other supporters argue the bill highlights the economic and historical impact of the Bible in Tennessee. The House passed the bill by a 55-38 vote Wednesday after two hours of debate over the course of two days. *************************** Like Arnold Schwarzenegger "I'll Be Back" and they will too...don't think they won't! Nothing says persistence more than a Hard Wired Religious Fanatic when getting told 'NO'--- not in our state! |
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MadDog1974 stated >>> This is about as significant as the Eastern Goldfinch being the official State Bird of Iowa or the sunflower being the official State Flower of Kansas. Sadly...not true; people don't object to choices/decisions that they make whether legally or morally based upon the written words of the all mighty 'Goldfinch' or the 'Sunflower' and human have still waged wars and challenged our death penalties based upon those words written/translated by many-many men out of that King James version of the bible! It does hold a HUGE significant and that's why our brilliant forefathers were wise and prudent to make certain that once we severed those ties to jolly ole England that we were NOT going to be put under any more CHURCH ABUSE by any faith based thumb by anyone! IN GOD WE TRUST - on our currency: The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin. Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865. It allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon." Under the Act, the motto was placed on the gold double-eagle coin, the gold eagle coin, and the gold half-eagle coin. It was also placed on the silver dollar coin, the half-dollar coin and the quarter-dollar coin, and on the nickel three-cent coin beginning in 1866. Later, Congress passed the Coinage Act of February 12, 1873. It also said that the Secretary "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto." The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval. The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908 A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957 http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx Some Americans have often wondered the reasoning behind this when it seems to fly in the face of our forefathers sound reasoning; but to remember the time frame and the strife that our nation was dealing with the most recent 4yrs of our own Civil War {placing it on the coins} and then the ending of WWII for placing it on the rest of our paper money! Rather hard to vote against the upheaval of country pride and national FEAR that our great nation was feeling at the time. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 04/18/15 10:33 AM
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no more decisions can be based on a state book than on a state bird
it has no legislative significance, it is only a symbol,, like a flag its something that might appease others who are feeling their religious rights being pushed into a closet by the lgbt lobbyists I really wouldn't, care except it would be nice to be represented, though the constitution is written in a way so that its forbidden for christians(or other religions) to be supported "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," Id much rather legislation that prevents laws which prohibit free exercise and force christians(or other religions) to leave their values in the closet at work or in their businesses, which the constitution also includes " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" |
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no more decisions can be based on a state book than on a state bird it has no legislative significance, it is only a symbol,, like a flag its something that might appease others who are feeling their religious rights being pushed into a closet by the lgbt lobbyists I really wouldn't, care except it would be nice to be represented, though the constitution is written in a way so that its forbidden for christians(or other religions) to be supported "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," Id much rather legislation that prevents laws which prohibit free exercise and force christians(or other religions) to leave their values in the closet at work or in their businesses, which the constitution also includes " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Forbidden to the State though! |
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no more decisions can be based on a state book than on a state bird it has no legislative significance, it is only a symbol,, like a flag its something that might appease others who are feeling their religious rights being pushed into a closet by the lgbt lobbyists I really wouldn't, care except it would be nice to be represented, though the constitution is written in a way so that its forbidden for christians(or other religions) to be supported "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," Id much rather legislation that prevents laws which prohibit free exercise and force christians(or other religions) to leave their values in the closet at work or in their businesses, which the constitution also includes " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" People don't take late 18th century English into consideration when reading the Constitution. The First Amendment says (only in regard to religion for the sake of staying on topic): Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.... Translation: The government is not allowed to take any action regarding any specific religion. They are neither allowed to establish a national religion, nor are they allowed to interfere with religious practices. This does not mean that there may be no religious practices in the public eye. In fact, banishment of public displays of religion are just as much in violation of the First Amendment as establishing a government sanctioned religion. Such a banishment amounts to government sanctioning of atheism, which is showing preference to one religious belief over all others. As this pertains to the discussion at hand, being an "Official State Book" is pure symbolism and carries no serious ramifications. This is not imposing a religion and does nothing to interfere with the free exercise of any religion. This will be challenged on Constitutional grounds, but it is not in violation of the First Amendment. |
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I'm all for any state to advance literacy,
by proclaiming an official state book. |
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