Topic: When he lifts a hand..........
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Fri 04/10/15 11:50 AM


A woman abusing a man is a mistake? What?

Women can be abusive too. A lot of times men don't report it! If a man defends himself (just to get away) he is viewed as wrong. I have seen a woman just wail on a guy because she didn't get her way. Me and a few other women stepped in to block her so the guy could leave. Then she threw a fit because he was her ride. slaphead

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Fri 04/10/15 12:30 PM
Edited of personal attacks.
Kindly address the topic and not the messenger.

soufie
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Fri 04/10/15 12:42 PM
The topic was about men abusing women. I think if you know a man is abusive, you should let the woman know. If he were a pedophile you would say something right?

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Fri 04/10/15 01:43 PM

It is different for men...it's just like when people say women can rape men.

i'm not sure if your opinion is that it is easier for men, or that it can't happen to men, or if you are saying that domestic violence is harder for men

it is difficult for women to report domestic violence, and it may be harder for a man to report it
http://www.aardvarc.org/dv/malevictims.shtml

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Fri 04/10/15 03:15 PM
domestic violence has no place in society, so there shouldn't be any roles for men, women, or children

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Fri 04/10/15 03:16 PM
Domestic violence is just that regardless of who the abuser is!

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Fri 04/10/15 05:52 PM

to be fair the thread should read WHEN THAY rais there hand,,MOST ppl would rather turn there head at a woman putting her hands on a man,,my ex had no problem beating on me from time to time,,and she was in law inforcement, it was no big deal, i would just hold her hands so she couldnt hit me,but afte 18 years of taking that,,will NEVER let a woman ever hit me again!!!


Sorry guys/gals for missing out on this discussion. Work calls and not feeling quite right up there (migraine)!

Thanks for all the comments/advice/feedbacks on your personal experiences on this matter of abuse. If I could edit the subject I would call it 'When he/she raises a hand.....'.
Thanks, Nascar for pointing this out.

And I agree that man/woman can be the victim. My sister's bro-in-law was once the object of his emotional/violent girlfriend. They would fight, and she would rain blows on the poor fellow, and on several occasions throw objects at him, including KNIVES!!!

I always admired that he managed to keep his cool, like you did! Kudos, Nascar!


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Fri 04/10/15 06:02 PM

My input is this: By all means, warn the potential abusee. Be prepared for the likelihood that that will do NO good.

Then, provide the most important thing you can - Be that person's safe haven. Be the one that listens, that cares, that offers a comfortable alternative to what the abusee knows and lives. In short, be the friend that he/she needs. It's possible that YOU are the only one in the abusee's world that does so.




I think if you know a man is abusive, you should let the woman know



If i were in the shoes of the potential abuse victim, i would be very appreciative of the warning. Id rather go into a relationship with both eyes wide open, rather than with one eye shut.



If it was a friend, ( and even though it is none of my business) I would ask her if she was o.k... that I know what is going on and I would give her my opinion about that type of man. I would also offer to help her get help... if she needed it.

I would prefer a friend telling me to mind my own GD business as opposed to me not offering help... even if I lost her as a friend.



This is not difficult to answer to me. Maybe she won't believe if I warn her, maybe she will be with him regardless of the warning, but as a woman... Scratch that... As a human being, I feel it would be my duty to at least tell her. The decision on whether she takes a chance on him or not will be fully hers.


I totally agree with you guys/gals.
My first reaction if I saw someone I know being on good terms and getting into a kind of relationship with an abusive person would be to tell them that he/she was such a person, but hope he/she has changed, and tell them to be careful and take care of themselves. And offer that if they ever needed help, to yell...... yeah, I think that's me!!! I will just jump in.....me, no keeping my mouth shut on this kind of thing....no no no!!!

Thanks flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou


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Fri 04/10/15 06:08 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Fri 04/10/15 06:09 PM
I was actually warned by friends that knew my ex about him. I didn't listen. I thought maybe it was gossip or something. Even though I learned the hard way, I am grateful to my friends for speaking up and were always my friends from beginning to the end.

They didn't push the issue but they cared enough to say something to warn me...that's how I look at it anyways

BTW thank you for this topic. It is still therapeutic for me to talk about it flowerforyou

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Fri 04/10/15 06:16 PM

It is different for men...it's just like when people say women can rape men.


now you lost me,,i had a friend we'll say,,this friend was only 14 and a 34 year old woman druged and raped him..kinda f ed him up for a few years whe it came to having sex, yes men can be raped!!!


having dealt with young men who were the victims of abuse and rape, this comment is very ignorant.
men and boys can be and do get raped.
even if it may not often be made public, it leaves emotional destruction as it would for a female.


It is not the same for men, I'm definitely not ignorant, thanks.


Estelle Estelle...... let's agree that men can be abused and raped. If a woman is bigger in size and stronger than the guy, or she resorts to drugs or restrains, it could happen.

And even if the woman is smaller in size and if the man doesn't retaliate, she could well scratch his eyes out, and or injure/mutilate/kill him!

Even though I may be over 50, my experiences and exposures to these kind of incidences is still not enough, and so, it is wise to accept other feedback that such incidents can and has been known to happen.

So, let's not turn this into a 'man bashing' thread.......and thank you for your opinions!flowerforyou

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Fri 04/10/15 06:26 PM

I deal with the question of abuse and intervention on a daily basis. It's a part of my job description and there isn't a more complicated human endeavor that I'm aware of, except maybe being a cop.

The (constructive) posts here have been right on the money in my experience. The (again, constructive) 'testimonials' - for lack of a better term - are also spot on.

The only thing I might add is that there is a cultural bias toward abuse. Even my saintly, feminine to the nines, loving and caring old grandmother once took me aside and commented, 'That woman is head-strong. Sometimes a man has to put his foot down. Paddle her aZZ, Jeff.' (we were talking about my wife, at the time).

Abuse is a learned response, to some - and maybe a large - degree. Sometimes it's learned 2nd hand, what one grew up seeing in their own family, movies, tv, literature, games, music, etc.

Sometimes, it's learned 1st hand as a result of failure to control impulses - The abuser tries it and it generates the results he/she desires. They then refine the abusive repertoire.

There are other possibilities, as well.

My input is this: By all means, warn the potential abusee. Be prepared for the likelihood that that will do NO good.

Then, provide the most important thing you can - Be that person's safe haven. Be the one that listens, that cares, that offers a comfortable alternative to what the abusee knows and lives. In short, be the friend that he/she needs. It's possible that YOU are the only one in the abusee's world that does so.


This last couple of paragraphs is the answer IMO. My husband rarely physically abused me but there was plenty of threat and psychological abuse and he would throw things at me but I was generally left feeling that it was all my fault. A woman needs that safe haven desperately. When I did leave my husband once I had no one to turn to (my family were all in another country) and ended up going back to him. But I still look back and think of the good times and wonder how much of it was my fault. I certainly did not provoke him though, but I would argue and that was enough. Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Fri 04/10/15 06:28 PM

I was actually warned by friends that knew my ex about him. I didn't listen. I thought maybe it was gossip or something. Even though I learned the hard way, I am grateful to my friends for speaking up and were always my friends from beginning to the end.

They didn't push the issue but they cared enough to say something to warn me...that's how I look at it anyways

BTW thank you for this topic. It is still therapeutic for me to talk about it flowerforyou

I have known women who complained about being abused, and they were. In all cases they demanded that I stay out of it. After many discussions the truth came out. They had been abused previously and it had been covered up, but not forgotten. The abuse they were suffering now was a release for the abuse that had been previously bottled up. Were you abused before the abusive relationship you are now speaking of?

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Fri 04/10/15 06:36 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Fri 04/10/15 06:38 PM


I was actually warned by friends that knew my ex about him. I didn't listen. I thought maybe it was gossip or something. Even though I learned the hard way, I am grateful to my friends for speaking up and were always my friends from beginning to the end.

They didn't push the issue but they cared enough to say something to warn me...that's how I look at it anyways

BTW thank you for this topic. It is still therapeutic for me to talk about it flowerforyou

I have known women who complained about being abused, and they were. In all cases they demanded that I stay out of it. After many discussions the truth came out. They had been abused previously and it had been covered up, but not forgotten. The abuse they were suffering now was a release for the abuse that had been previously bottled up. Were you abused before the abusive relationship you are now speaking of?


No I wasn't. Everyone handles things differently

I am glad I had people that care about me and warned me even though I didn't listen

I am glad those people still cared before and after.

I didn't want to hear what I assumed was gossip and drama. Looking back I am lucky to have friends and family in my life that had my back

I had support from loved ones and a church support group to help me. I am still working on myself (I left him the beginning of this year) but I know suppressing it not only hurts me in the long run but let's him still have power

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Fri 04/10/15 06:39 PM
I guess everyone can have a different story. Good luck with your future relationships. I am sure there is someone for everyone.

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Fri 04/10/15 06:41 PM

I was actually warned by friends that knew my ex about him. I didn't listen. I thought maybe it was gossip or something. Even though I learned the hard way, I am grateful to my friends for speaking up and were always my friends from beginning to the end.

They didn't push the issue but they cared enough to say something to warn me...that's how I look at it anyways

BTW thank you for this topic. It is still therapeutic for me to talk about it flowerforyou



Sorry that it happened to you, and thanks for sharing this.

That is why I feel that even though the potential abusee may not believe a word I say, it is our DUTY to warn the person of the possibility that this could happen, and at least, let them be aware and know what to do. And like some of our posters say.... offer a hand and a safe haven for them in case it does.

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Fri 04/10/15 06:41 PM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Fri 04/10/15 06:42 PM

I guess everyone can have a different story. Good luck with your future relationships. I am sure there is someone for everyone.


Thank you. I will be better than ever.

Of course everyone can have a different story. Like I said before...every person and situation is different. I can only speak of my personal experience

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Fri 04/10/15 06:42 PM
Edited by dreamerana on Fri 04/10/15 06:44 PM


found this book recently. it's the story of a woman's experience and triumph of abuse. it shows some of the patterns of the abuser and the excuses made by the victim.
it also has some resources at the end.
good luck to your friend. sending you hugs :heart:

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Fri 04/10/15 06:45 PM
********** Wife Abuse Must Stop ! ***********

(So, how do I get them to stop hitting me ?) sad2

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Fri 04/10/15 06:48 PM

********** Wife Abuse Must Stop ! ***********

(So, how do I get them to stop hitting me ?) sad2


LOL.......!!happy happy happy
You probably deserved it..... for starters, too many wives!!!!! bigsmile bigsmile bigsmile

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Fri 04/10/15 06:51 PM
I know...

You'd think they'd take turns ! sad2