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Eclesiastic: 3-20; all go into one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 9-5 for the living know that they shall died: but the dead know not nothing, Neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 1corinthians. 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. Jhon 3:13 And no man hath acended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven. Revelation: 21-2 And I jhon saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. My personal views: Paradise is just another word for hell, grave, seol. Hades,dead, and others that I can't remember at the moment, all Jesus told that man was that he was going to died with him that night, in a nice way. Jesus did not say he was going to go to heaven or any other place on earth for ever Jesus didn't even forgave his sins. This man was gonna go trough the same process as the Lord, the Lord for 3 days and 3 nights. This man till resurrection in paradise in the grave, hell, seol. As stated in Ecclesiastes. 3:20. No one can go to heaven simply because we weren't created in heaven we are not heavenly creatures not in this life or the next. Jesus Christ, the Lord he came from heaven to save us not to take us there. 1Corinthians, 15:47; Revelations, 21:2 clearly states the new Jerusalem coming down from heaven to be with the people on the new earth and the new heaven, we all, those that make it to that day will be the new rase of eternal beings close to God. |
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 Some Good Shyt, Obviously ! 
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Heaven is where the bible says you go if you're good when you die! Paradise, is where my team Glasgow Celtic play, which is a better place! Google it? Celtic Park, is nicknamed 'Paradise!'
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hi
this is what i think Read 2 Peter 3:13. The “new heavens” is God’s heavenly Kingdom, which was established in the year 1914 when “the appointed times of the nations” ended. (Luke 21:24) This royal government is made up of Christ Jesus and his 144,000 corulers, most of whom have received their heavenly reward. In the book of Revelation, these chosen ones are portrayed as “the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” (Rev. 21:1, 2, 22-24) Just as earthly Jerusalem was the seat of government in ancient Israel, the New Jerusalem and her Bridegroom make up the government of the new system of things. This celestial city will ‘come down out of heaven’ by directing its attention to the earth. 11 The “new earth” refers to the new earthly society of humans who will have demonstrated their willing submission to God’s Kingdom. The spiritual paradise that God’s people enjoy even now will at last be in its rightful setting in that beautiful “inhabited earth to come.” (Heb. 2:5) rgds |
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How many will share in “the first resurrection” and rule with Jesus as kings?— Jesus told his disciples: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) This “little flock,” who are resurrected to be with Jesus in his heavenly Kingdom, are an exact number. The Bible shows that “a hundred and forty-four thousand” are resurrected from the earth.—Revelation 14:1, 3. Not specificaly. Revelations 14:1, 3 and that general area is speaking of a specific set of pople, that's not the number for everyone that will enjoy in the glories of Heaven. These specific sets of people are a very pure group of people. Revelations 14 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. hi if you study the bible and compare you will make the difference! About three hours before Jesus dies on a torture stake, he talks about Paradise to a man on a stake next to him. The man is being put to death for crimes he has committed. But as this criminal watches Jesus and hears what is said about Him, he begins to believe in Jesus. So the criminal says: “Remember me when you get into your kingdom.” Jesus answers: “Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”—Luke 23:42, 43. What does Jesus mean when he says this? Where is Paradise?— Think about it. Where was Paradise to begin with?— Remember, God gave the first man, Adam, and his wife a paradise to live in right here on this earth. It was called the garden of Eden. There were animals in that garden, but they didn’t hurt anyone. And there were trees with lots of delicious fruit on them, as well as a big river. It was a wonderful place to live!—Genesis 2:8-10. So when we read of that criminal being in Paradise, we should picture in our minds this earth made into a beautiful place to live. Will Jesus be right here on earth with the former criminal in Paradise?— No. Do you know why he won’t be here?— It is because Jesus will be in heaven ruling as King over the Paradise on earth. So Jesus will be with that man in the sense that Jesus will raise him from the dead and care for his needs. But why will Jesus let a former criminal live in Paradise?— Let’s see if we can figure that out. Before the criminal talked to Jesus, did he know about God’s purposes?— No, he didn’t. He did bad things because he didn’t know the truth about God. In Paradise he will be taught about God’s purposes. Then he will have the opportunity to prove that he really does love God by doing His will. Will everyone who is resurrected live in Paradise on earth?— No, they won’t. Do you know why not?— Because some will be resurrected to live with Jesus in heaven. They will rule with him as kings over the Paradise earth. Let’s see how we know this. The night before Jesus dies, he tells his apostles: ‘In the house of my Father in heaven, there are many places to live, and I am going my way to prepare a place for you.’ Then Jesus promises them: “I am coming again and will receive you home to myself, that where I am you also may be.”—John 14:2, 3. Where does Jesus go after he is resurrected?— Yes, back to heaven to be with his Father. (John 17:4, 5) So Jesus promises his apostles and other followers that he will resurrect them so that they can be with him in heaven. What will they do there with Jesus?— The Bible says that his disciples who have a part in “the first resurrection” will live in heaven and rule over the earth “as kings with him for the thousand years.”—Revelation 5:10; 20:6; 2 Timothy 2:12. How many will share in “the first resurrection” and rule with Jesus as kings?— Jesus told his disciples: “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.” (Luke 12:32) This “little flock,” who are resurrected to be with Jesus in his heavenly Kingdom, are an exact number. The Bible shows that “a hundred and forty-four thousand” are resurrected from the earth.—Revelation 14:1, 3. Hope it will help you, plse take your bible open it, but take a version/ A TRANSLATION who respect the original text! rgds |
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Luke 23:43
43 He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” I think this is a very misunderstood scripture. Christ did not go to heaven the day he died. He was in the grave three days and three nights before he was resurrected. Later he said, "do not cling to me for I have not ascended to heaven". Nobody has or will go to heaven until the time of the first resurrection. If you move the comma, the scripture has a totally different meaning. The thief will be with him in paradise but not today. Today is when he told him. He replied to him, "Amen I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise" |
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heaven is where you go you hope when you die.. paradise is what it's like being out with me..lol
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Luke 23:43 43 He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” I think this is a very misunderstood scripture. Christ did not go to heaven the day he died. He was in the grave three days and three nights before he was resurrected. Later he said, "do not cling to me for I have not ascended to heaven". Nobody has or will go to heaven until the time of the first resurrection. If you move the comma, the scripture has a totally different meaning. The thief will be with him in paradise but not today. Today is when he told him. He replied to him, "Amen I say to you today, you will be with me in Paradise" It's not misunderstood. For Jesus and the theif did go to the paradise that day. Jesus "died" on the cross, he went back to paradise. Later he defeats death and comes back eg., the resurrection. But for that day in quesiton, he gave up the ghost into the father's hands. Where is the father? Heaven, so therefor that day he was in Heaven with the Theif. Luke 23:46 46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost. |
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John 20:16-18 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew, “Rabbouni,”[a] which means Teacher. 17 Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and what he told her. I think that says he hadn't been to heaven yet. |
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John 20:16-18 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew, “Rabbouni,”[a] which means Teacher. 17 Jesus said to her, “Stop holding on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” 18 Mary of Magdala went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and what he told her. I think that says he hadn't been to heaven yet. Doesn't say anything bout not ever being in Heaven yet. As "Jesus" no he hadn't been to Heaven. As before he came to Earth he was the "Word". John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Thus when "Jesus" came into the picture. BUT, John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. |
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I agree with most of what you say. Jesus had more than one name "The Word", "The rock" etc. He was the God who created the earth (with the father's power). However in the plan for mankind no one gets resurrected until he returns to set up his kingdom. The first resurrection.
John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Would it make sense that a thief would go to heaven and Moses, David etc would have to wait for the resurrection? |
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I agree with most of what you say. Jesus had more than one name "The Word", "The rock" etc. He was the God who created the earth (with the father's power). However in the plan for mankind no one gets resurrected until he returns to set up his kingdom. The first resurrection. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. Would it make sense that a thief would go to heaven and Moses, David etc would have to wait for the resurrection? Incorrect. There was no Jesus' "father" when the Word/Jesus created the World, Heaven, mankind. You'll not find one verse in the OT about God the "father". The term "father" in this context only came into play once Jesus came to Earth. Please do give a verse(s) that states (with the fahter's power) |
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I agree with most of what you say. Jesus had more than one name "The Word", "The rock" etc. He was the God who created the earth (with the father's power). However in the plan for mankind no one gets resurrected until he returns to set up his kingdom. The first resurrection. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heavenâthe Son of Man. Would it make sense that a thief would go to heaven and Moses, David etc would have to wait for the resurrection? Incorrect. There was no Jesus' "father" when the Word/Jesus created the World, Heaven, mankind. You'll not find one verse in the OT about God the "father". The term "father" in this context only came into play once Jesus came to Earth. Please do give a verse(s) that states (with the fahter's power) 1 corinthians 8 5 Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. John 5:30 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me. John 8:28 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I am he,[a] and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed. John 12:49 9 for I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. John 14:10 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. |
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1 corinthians 8 5 Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. John 5:30 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me. John 8:28 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I am he,[a] and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed. John 12:49 9 for I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. John 14:10 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. It's called being humble. Philippians 2:7 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: I agree with most of what you say. Jesus had more than one name "The Word", "The rock" etc. He was the God who created the earth (with the father's power). However in the plan for mankind no one gets resurrected until he returns to set up his kingdom. The first resurrection. John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heavenâthe Son of Man. Would it make sense that a thief would go to heaven and Moses, David etc would have to wait for the resurrection? Incorrect. There was no Jesus' "father" when the Word/Jesus created the World, Heaven, mankind. You'll not find one verse in the OT about God the "father". The term "father" in this context only came into play once Jesus came to Earth. Please do give a verse(s) that states (with the fahter's power) 1 corinthians 8 5 Indeed, even though there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as in fact there are many gods and many lords— 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. John 5:30 30 “I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek to do not my own will but the will of him who sent me. John 8:28 28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I am he,[a] and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed. John 12:49 9 for I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. John 14:10 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own; but the Father who dwells in me does his works. |
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