Topic: Obama care
simplyme1125's photo
Sat 02/14/15 10:35 PM
Is it really helpful and to whom?

no photo
Sun 02/15/15 08:50 AM
Edited by alleoops on Sun 02/15/15 09:09 AM
It's basically a tax to pay for entitlement programs.

RoamingOrator's photo
Sun 02/15/15 09:31 AM
Really the only good that has come from it is that there are no such thing as "pre-existing conditions." These were common reasons that were used not to pay for legitimate procedures. I remember my brother having to pay out of pocket when his wife's gall bladder exploded. Since it ruptured before she went to the hospital, it was considered "pre-existing" and therefor wasn't covered.

As far as it being a tax for entitlements, your right. Most of what our govt. pays for are entitlements - Boeing, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics are prime examples of this.

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Sun 02/15/15 10:22 AM

Really the only good that has come from it is that there are no such thing as "pre-existing conditions."


I agree, but even that is not w/o a big price tag as the tradeoff is higher insurance rates for less coverage...And yeah, as usual Alle is right, it's basically a tax on 'high' earners that mandates individuals obtain health coverage or pay a fine which is unconstitutional...Along with this, the ACA has compromised medicare in such a way as to leave millions without coverage and force doctors to downgrade patient care by increasing patient load in an effort to offset lost revenue needed to maintain their practices...Employer mandates have created higher operating costs resulting in job and hour cutbacks which puts another strain on the economy...Minimum coverage can only be obtained during open enrollment which forces those who miss the deadline to face penalties AND go w/o insurance until the next open enrollment, again unconstitutional...Maintaining the ACA long term is cost prohibitive...And these are just some of the more obvious problems...So in answer to your question, the way in which it is written makes Obama Care a very bad thing for our country...You also ask who benefits most...That would be young healthy adults and seniors and ONLY in terms of reduced cost and even that comes at the expense of quality care....

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 02/15/15 10:32 AM
If Pelosi and her Fellow-Cronies had the Public Welfare at Heart,they would have opted for a System something like we have here in Switzerland!
But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

kc0003's photo
Sun 02/15/15 01:26 PM

But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 02/15/15 02:20 PM


But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh

no photo
Sun 02/15/15 02:29 PM
Americans have everything....yet they still not satisfied

Rock's photo
Sun 02/15/15 03:02 PM
2700 pages of crap.
Very little to actually do with health care. And, the miniscule portion of the health care bill, that has anything to do with healthcare, is a boon to the insurance industry.


messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:10 AM



But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh

MadDog1974's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:16 AM
Whenever "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it," (if not an exact quote, it's very close) as Nancy Pelosi said, they are trying to hide things that they know we wouldn't willingly accept.

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:19 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 02/16/15 02:27 AM




But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
You Brits really kept a Stiff Upper Lip in WWII,got to give you that!:thumbsup:

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:26 AM
Edited by messi_is_a_tim_1888 on Mon 02/16/15 02:33 AM





But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
Why laugh? You scared that your image of "Perfect switzerland" will take a hefty knock? Perfect my farter? I've been to your country and it isn't all what you make it out to be? Then again, you spend that much time on here pretending to be an American, your view of everything is proberly clouded? laugh laugh laugh laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:28 AM






But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
Why laugh? You scared that your image of "Perfect switzerland" will take a hefty knock? Perfect my farter? I've been to your country and it isn't all what you make it out to be? Then again, you spend that much time on here pretending to be an American, your view of everything is proberly crowded? laugh laugh laugh laugh
laugh
Putting words in People's mouths again?laugh laugh laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:32 AM






But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
Why laugh? You scared that your image of "Perfect switzerland" will take a hefty knock? Perfect my farter? I've been to your country and it isn't all what you make it out to be? Then again, you spend that much time on here pretending to be an American, your view of everything is proberly crowded? laugh laugh laugh
well,you don't know,and you never will,so keep on guessing!laugh

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/16/15 02:33 AM







But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
Why laugh? You scared that your image of "Perfect switzerland" will take a hefty knock? Perfect my farter? I've been to your country and it isn't all what you make it out to be? Then again, you spend that much time on here pretending to be an American, your view of everything is proberly crowded? laugh laugh laugh laugh
laugh
Putting words in People's mouths again?laugh laugh laugh
You never answered my question though, did you?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 02/16/15 06:25 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 02/16/15 07:09 AM

Americans have everything....yet they still not satisfied


We in America do everything on a grand scale, including screwing ourselves by the leadership we elect



When our POTUS throws a baseball like a girl, has more female traits than some women, lies to us nearly every time he opens his mouth, and gives our enemies everything they ask for like a pussified school nerd giving up his lunch money to a bully..... yet is elected twice....... it doesn't say much for the ability of our populace to think or act clearly, even to protect their rights, liberties, or own self interests

We actually have less rights and freedoms than most third world countries, we're spied on daily at every turn, police forces acting like death squads, and our media is nothing more than propaganda for corrupt politicians, special interests, pill pushers, and money lenders.

Yep, we have everything with nothing to biotch about..... everything our corporate sponsored, self serving govt allows us anyway laugh laugh

We just live in a nicer, more padded/guilded, cage

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/16/15 06:38 PM







But ACA is a simple Powergrab and Wealth-Distribution System,on a Scale never before attempted!

correction: it was not only attempted but implemented during the last two administrations.

the problem with the aca is that it was not taken far enough, as you suggest. but because there is so much money to made from people's suffering, we here, will never see as system that is based on actual health "care".
well,you could have taken it as far as the British,and still have nothing!laugh
Think you need to do your homework a bit better saying our NHS trounced your healthcare system in a European healthcare list in just November last year! Go to the Daily Telegraphs page online it's there in black and white, ok? Must be all those like cut fingers your army gets from those little knives that your country equips them with, eh? At least my country and the US will stand up and be counted when it comes to a war? We don't sit on the fence and crap ourselves like your lot like you did in WW2? laugh laugh laugh laugh
Daily Telegraph!:laughing:
Why laugh? You scared that your image of "Perfect switzerland" will take a hefty knock? Perfect my farter? I've been to your country and it isn't all what you make it out to be? Then again, you spend that much time on here pretending to be an American, your view of everything is proberly crowded? laugh laugh laugh
well,you don't know,and you never will,so keep on guessing!laugh
Amazing eh? The usually bold Conrad was shown up and couldn't answer a question that was posed to him 24 hours ago? Told you that the Brits outclassed your health system 100% and proved you wrong and shut that big mouth of yours also? Love it, so I do!! Ha ha ha