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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? The main objectives of political parties....if you look at the core objective its Money, Power & Influence. |
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? When political parties become too divided to work together for the common good, citizens pay the price..."Party affiliation" needs to go...Stop declaring a party when you register to vote...HOW you think and feel is your business, not theirs...Pay attention, vote responsibly, disregard labels; they don't mean a thing anymore...Show me a place in OUR Constitution that provides for political parties...Political parties are anti compromise with the sole purpose of staying in power...Think about that for a minute or two...  ...Political parties are counterproductive when it comes to working 'for' the people....
 That's why I am an independent!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Switzerland Switzerland has a multi-party system. Since 1959, the four largest parties have formed a coalition government, according to a "Zauberformel" or "Magic formula". This arithmetic formula divides the seven cabinet seats among representatives of the four largest parties.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland and it's still a Circus! 
Not fair unless Forrest Gump is one of the cabinet members. Someone has half a chair. 7/4... In PROPORTION!
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I'll have to wait til I see what Davidben hath to say on the subject. It will be something like ... "The stench of political fish goes away as they sink to the bottom of the ocean of mindless voters!" 
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our democracy is really a republic. our country is too big to have a true democracy, but I do think we need to legislate a vehicle for some measures to be put to a popular vote and allow it to be a popular vote, such as ANY measure that requires mandatory ANYTHING for all Americans (that has previously been a matter of choice), specifcally Obamacare.
Our system is not perfect but it is better than beheadings and mass shootings on order by a dictator in a public square. the electoral college which is really how Presidents are elected is a problem because it can countermand the actual popular vote and that could be a problem. So i think a popular vote should be part of the Presidential process also (IMO). But the party system is actually built on compromise it is a model of compromise that is why it is sometimes so frustrating. it is much harder to get things done when everyone;s opinion must be considered. people can be retractable and stubborn. if your representative is slowing the process because he or she is representing your POV, then the system is working (like the last midterms, in my case anyway). if your representative does not represent your opinions than your choice is to get out and vote for a new one. until that time your option is to make sure your voice is heard at the congressional level. your representative will often represent the sqeaky wheel - or compromise toward it the biggest problem I see in American politics today is a tendency for representatives to push a personal or corporate agenda instead of the will of the majority who voted for them. this true from Obama (and what makes him so scary) down to the state houses. Politicians need to remember that their personal opinions are moot (or at least no more important than mine or yours). they need to represent the agenda of their constituents. this is where parties come in...that platform is how, in a general sense, the representative gets an idea of the will of those who voted for him or her. it is complicated, but that is intentional to prevent facism it gets a little more complicated when we add in corporate interests and non citizens who demand things w/out knowing how the process is supposed to work, and officials who want to ignore the fact that there is a process...so, perfect? no. but better than any other option I am aware of |
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? The main objectives of political parties....if you look at the core objective its Money, Power & Influence. exactly. it takes money power and influence to get things done. what we need is for that money power and influence to remain law abiding - when it is not is the only time that I personally have issues with it. not all influence is monied though |
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the stand out point for me is what sweetest mentioned
COMPROMISE parties are just another way for people to form around common goals and values,, there is no problem there but the CULTURE where its us vs them, even after the elections are done,, and compromise is considered losing,,,,,,, that culture sucks,,, |
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? The main objectives of political parties....if you look at the core objective its Money, Power & Influence. exactly. it takes money power and influence to get things done. what we need is for that money power and influence to remain law abiding - when it is not is the only time that I personally have issues with it. not all influence is monied though i wonder if active political leaders ever have peace of mind coz its tedious |
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? The main objectives of political parties....if you look at the core objective its Money, Power & Influence. exactly. it takes money power and influence to get things done. what we need is for that money power and influence to remain law abiding - when it is not is the only time that I personally have issues with it. not all influence is monied though But first they must be willing to listen..... and learn to care |
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Political parties are "made up" entities to help control and direct the masses of people towards some common goal. They are all fictional and have constantly changing goals stated and restated in various ways over the decades. Yes the political parties of America are archaic (if that is the way you want to describe them) because the design is from early human development. Without them anarchy could in fact take top spot. If you disband them there would be a power vacuum (and we all know that nature hates a vacuum). There would immediately be some new group of people spouting some common goal that must be reached or the end of all mankind and the world is the only sure next step. Sound familiar? Take a look at what happened when "our" political parties removed the political parties from other countries (Korea, Vietnam, Irac/Iran, etc.) As is usual there is no representation of the people in the political parties just money and power. Many will run to be in a seat of power in those parties so they can have access to that money or power using the "they are so out of touch with the common man" approach. They usually get elected too. Funny isn't it? Not funny  Some valid points.
Yes nature hates a vacuum but there would be none without the power to create said vacuum. Who gives that power? Voters and non-voters. Republics were around much longer than the US as was the democracy our government was modelled after. We didn't make it up, we revised it and took parts of what our forefathers saw fit to include. Now, is our government functioning the same as it was when General Washington took office? No. It has had to change to accommodate things that they couldn't have foreseen. Does every part work the way it should? No. Large parts of it are abused neglected misused etc. Is there a disparity between the average politician and the common man? Yes. Does that need to change? Yes. Does that mean bowlegged billy down at tractor supply should be a congressman? No. He might boil a mean peanut but he doesn't understand the significance of a power vacuum because he never left his home town. Look at the corruption we have on all our streets in our police departments. Uncontrolled immigration, the lack of border control and all the drugs that cross our southern border and come into our ports, that's where our money is going and that's where our power is. Scrapping the whole system would ensure the largest power vacuum history has ever seen. We have the right and the power to change our government. WE NEED TO USE IT. Band-aids don't help. Don't fall for duct tape and lies. Read. Watch the news. Then GO VOTE. All good points and issues that should be addressed but are constantly not. Who gives power you mention, It is not a who but a what. Need creates the opportunity for power. Creating a need then gives leverage to have people do things to fill that need. Basic needs can't be created but they are controlled, ie. food, air, water, shelter and some few others. As I see the function of governments it is to help insure the basic needs of it's citizens is not life threatening so the general populace can work on improving the life and welfare of themselves and their families. In many ways what our current government has been attempting to do is something along this line but instead of leading our people into it they are forcing them by trying to create the need. Their tools are economic and statutory in nature. Using various techniques from their position of strength they are trying to manipulate our population to accomplish what "they" feel is best for our country. Can we vote them out? The constitution gives us to right to remove any government we feel is not representing us they way we feel it should. Is it easy? Not on your life. Is it probable? Probably not. Possible? Yes. Our current voting system is evolving to adapt to the changes that are happening. Who is monitoring that evolution? Those who want to achieve something particular. Our whole system is based on trust and faith. Democracy as a pure government will not work (mob rule basically) and a democratic republic seems like the most reasonable hybrid for some sort of "fair" government. Just as with most things in humanity- this system is subject to greed, hate, bias, and a host of -isms. These are the areas that we have to focus on eliminating to improve our system of government. We don't have civil servants anymore (not since they put unions in government). Remember when it was a charitable service or a sacrifice to do government work? Now it is a most desirable, cushy job with the best benefits available. Voting is in fact the way to get change in this country but even that is being manipulated. Where do you get information to decide what you will vote for? The media? The government? Private companies? A long and arduous task to make decisions like that. Most folks do not have the patience to deal with it and want someone else to make the decision. Back to the trust and faith part of this. How do you find someone to put your faith and trust in? This is a good area to concentrate a portion of education on. How to spot "players" and fakes. LOLOLOL What a rant! |
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As I see it, the primary purpose of the Democratic Party is to protect the USA from the extremists in the Republican Party. The primary purpose of the Republican Party is to protect the USA from the extremists in the Democratic Party.
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As I see it, the primary purpose of the Democratic Party is to protect the USA from the extremists in the Republican Party. The primary purpose of the Republican Party is to protect the USA from the extremists in the Democratic Party.  )
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Yep..
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Edited by
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Tue 02/03/15 07:01 AM
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I'll have to wait til I see what Davidben hath to say on the subject. Yea, it will be interesting to SEA lmao he's a cool guy though Yea, he is.
Dodo is a closet Republican. 
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Political parties are "made up" entities to help control and direct the masses of people towards some common goal. They are all fictional and have constantly changing goals stated and restated in various ways over the decades. Yes the political parties of America are archaic (if that is the way you want to describe them) because the design is from early human development. Without them anarchy could in fact take top spot. If you disband them there would be a power vacuum (and we all know that nature hates a vacuum). There would immediately be some new group of people spouting some common goal that must be reached or the end of all mankind and the world is the only sure next step. Sound familiar? Take a look at what happened when "our" political parties removed the political parties from other countries (Korea, Vietnam, Irac/Iran, etc.) As is usual there is no representation of the people in the political parties just money and power. Many will run to be in a seat of power in those parties so they can have access to that money or power using the "they are so out of touch with the common man" approach. They usually get elected too. Funny isn't it? Not funny Some valid points.
Yes nature hates a vacuum but there would be none without the power to create said vacuum. Who gives that power? Voters and non-voters. Republics were around much longer than the US as was the democracy our government was modelled after. We didn't make it up, we revised it and took parts of what our forefathers saw fit to include. Now, is our government functioning the same as it was when General Washington took office? No. It has had to change to accommodate things that they couldn't have foreseen. Does every part work the way it should? No. Large parts of it are abused neglected misused etc. Is there a disparity between the average politician and the common man? Yes. Does that need to change? Yes. Does that mean bowlegged billy down at tractor supply should be a congressman? No. He might boil a mean peanut but he doesn't understand the significance of a power vacuum because he never left his home town. Look at the corruption we have on all our streets in our police departments. Uncontrolled immigration, the lack of border control and all the drugs that cross our southern border and come into our ports, that's where our money is going and that's where our power is. Scrapping the whole system would ensure the largest power vacuum history has ever seen. We have the right and the power to change our government. WE NEED TO USE IT. Band-aids don't help. Don't fall for duct tape and lies. Read. Watch the news. Then GO VOTE. All good points and issues that should be addressed but are constantly not. Who gives power you mention, It is not a who but a what. Need creates the opportunity for power. Creating a need then gives leverage to have people do things to fill that need. Basic needs can't be created but they are controlled, ie. food, air, water, shelter and some few others. As I see the function of governments it is to help insure the basic needs of it's citizens is not life threatening so the general populace can work on improving the life and welfare of themselves and their families. In many ways what our current government has been attempting to do is something along this line but instead of leading our people into it they are forcing them by trying to create the need. Their tools are economic and statutory in nature. Using various techniques from their position of strength they are trying to manipulate our population to accomplish what "they" feel is best for our country. Can we vote them out? The constitution gives us to right to remove any government we feel is not representing us they way we feel it should. Is it easy? Not on your life. Is it probable? Probably not. Possible? Yes. Our current voting system is evolving to adapt to the changes that are happening. Who is monitoring that evolution? Those who want to achieve something particular. Our whole system is based on trust and faith. Democracy as a pure government will not work (mob rule basically) and a democratic republic seems like the most reasonable hybrid for some sort of "fair" government. Just as with most things in humanity- this system is subject to greed, hate, bias, and a host of -isms. These are the areas that we have to focus on eliminating to improve our system of government. We don't have civil servants anymore (not since they put unions in government). Remember when it was a charitable service or a sacrifice to do government work? Now it is a most desirable, cushy job with the best benefits available. Voting is in fact the way to get change in this country but even that is being manipulated. Where do you get information to decide what you will vote for? The media? The government? Private companies? A long and arduous task to make decisions like that. Most folks do not have the patience to deal with it and want someone else to make the decision. Back to the trust and faith part of this. How do you find someone to put your faith and trust in? This is a good area to concentrate a portion of education on. How to spot "players" and fakes. LOLOLOL What a rant! Government is NOT the People's Sugardaddy! |
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? In my opinion, any party is a great party!... 
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? In my opinion, any party is a great party!...
I've got an idea for a great party..... It involves tar, feathers, the American people, and Washington DC 
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Being that Mingle2 caters to an international audience, this thread isn't exclusively about political parties in the USA. * * * * * * * * * * * * I am only acquainted with political parties in the USA. So, I will focus on them. In case you didn't already know, I am not a member of any political party. Anyway, as I see it, the USA's Democratic Party and Republican Party have become archaic. The minor parties in the USA are simply comic relief. * * * * * * * * * * * * What are your opinions about the political parties in your nation? In my opinion, any party is a great party!...
I've got an idea for a great party..... It involves tar, feathers, the American people, and Washington DC
 Hope those basterds aren't up yet! 
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Any party without beer, music and women, is crap?
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