That is the upper echelon....and some even think it is a myth.

I like patience in a man. To be wooed and someone who is persistent...thinks you are worth it. The time and the energy. Old fashioned is a quality you don't often see anymore. A true gentleman. Someone with the heart of a poet. Yes it is appreciated. Much better than the approach that i can only describe...as a bull in a china shop.

Do I sense a hint of jealousy? We aren't a myth, we're the exception to the rule. You don't have to be a complete a55 to be good in bed, please a woman or make her quiver. Some of our (men) consciences are louder than our libidos. That doesn't mean we have the sexual prowess of a three legged spider. Spend some time listening instead of blowing hot air all the time. If you're not attentive to a woman, her reactions, words, moans, whispers etc you're missing 80% of the pleasure she has to give.

Thank god one of you is aware of this

I had this very conversation with my "��guy"�� friend the other day. He was bitching because he thought he had this great first date and he emailed her for a second date and thought he chased her off by being too into her, contacting her too soon and too often. I am going to tell you what I told him. She just wasn't into you dude. Your are buying into the lie, she already had one foot out the door and the story you are being fed about you were too nice or too honest about your feelings or said too much too soon was just a line to protect your feelings. If she really liked you and wanted to see you again or wanted to continue the relationship, guess what? She would have. I challenge one woman to say they dumped a guy because he was too nice, patient, kind, interested, gracious or for being a gentleman or any of the reasons stated. I think it is just an excuse for men not to be nice guys.

I agree with you and it would be refreshing to see a "touch of class" between male and female interaction! It would be very pleasant and wonderful to say the least, in my humble opinion. Thumbs up for you!

Made you a new one, I see.
Glad you did,you are a good addition to the Mingle family
Intelligent thoughts..love reading you.

Dude.....I dunno if you realize this or not but about 91% of women want their hair pulled. Be classy all you want but be ready to get that freak on and smack dat azz behind closed doors.

Thank god one of you is aware of this

I had this very conversation with my "��guy"�� friend the other day. He was bitching because he thought he had this great first date and he emailed her for a second date and thought he chased her off by being too into her, contacting her too soon and too often. I am going to tell you what I told him. She just wasn't into you dude. Your are buying into the lie, she already had one foot out the door and the story you are being fed about you were too nice or too honest about your feelings or said too much too soon was just a line to protect your feelings. If she really liked you and wanted to see you again or wanted to continue the relationship, guess what? She would have. I challenge one woman to say they dumped a guy because he was too nice, patient, kind, interested, gracious or for being a gentleman or any of the reasons stated. I think it is just an excuse for men not to be nice guys.

I have. A few years ago a con man wanted to put my name on his checking account and hold me responsible for half of assets when he knew a family member was going to sue him.

It's the ulterior motives behind being too nice.

I disagree with the statement that a woman's heart can be fickle sometimes. I mean if you are a man who deceives, acts patient to get sex from women, then of course you will experience erratic behavior from the women you date. Women don't want nice but bad guys we want good. Why can't men comprehend this about women? We are not a mystery or a paradox, we are simple beings and what we want from a man is love.

And I agree that men use the excuse that being a nice guy doesn't work to get sex, so they stop being nice. This is not the fault of women. This is the fault of men just wanting sex. Women want love.

Men are the mystery here, they can't honestly answer my next question (you won't get sex if you say yes by the way so you might want to be honest here).
So, I have asked the question here before and I will ask it again...Do men love?

You must be a nice but bad guy or an erratic woman, or else an evil poodle with sharp teeth.

You must be a nice but bad guy or an erratic woman, or else an evil poodle with sharp teeth.

I think you missed the point and I would hardly call using you being nice.

They say nice guys finish last. Sometimes that's true.

But I happen to believe that patience is still a good thing and something to be valued. we may be guys and masculine and wanting what we want....but sometimes our modes of operation don't work for every woman.

I like patience in a man. To be wooed and someone who is persistent...thinks you are worth it. The time and the energy. Old fashioned is a quality you don't often see anymore. A true gentleman. Someone with the heart of a poet. Yes it is appreciated. Much better than the approach that i can only describe...as a bull in a china shop.