Hi everyone,

for whatever reason, a question popped into my head.
I know we each face a judgment day according to individual beliefs. My question is, how do you suppose people are judged who assume a responsibility for large groups?
examples: the pope and church leaders who exonerate people of sins when people go to confession?
or like when the late Pope John Paul apologized on behalf of the church for turning a blind eye to the suffering of the holocaust.

or presidents/diplomatic leaders who by the nature of their work assume rights for the wellbeing of a group as a whole?
are these people held accountable for their choices as an individual and for what they represent as a social collective?

James 3:1 when he says, “Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness

as it pertains to those who have a covenant to teach Gods word,, I believe they are judged harshly

as to politicians and other leaders,, as their job doesn't directly require teaching Gods word,, I believe they are spiritually under the same judgment as other christians

thank you Ms. Harmony

thank you beautiful Blondey

I'm the first to admit I don't have much formal teaching in spiritual matters. I didn't really learn the bible. I know somewhat more about other faiths because we learn about many non Christian ideas in school.
so to answer your question about spiritual judgement, it's the belief of being accountable to a higher power (for me it's God).
that our actions and choices here on earth lead to a path in an afterlife.
many faiths around the world express it differently. many people don't believe.
as I don't know much, I can't say anyone's beliefs are right or wrong.
today mine was a question about the extended accountability for those who accept or are born into a position that encompasses social responsibility.

judgment day's term was created by the religious authorities in full association with the ruling class since the dawn of civilizations to convince people not to ask for their rights and not to claim for the punishment of the corrupted rulers as long as there will be a judgement day in which the people will be rewarded for their patience and the rulers will be punished for their corruption .

that seems silly

moses freed slaves, doesn't that seem like seeking rights?


I believe in judgment day after this life, also believe in justice during it,,,

well another thing i used to hear as an answer many times , judgement day is the prove of god's justice ( which apparently doesn't exist in reality ) ... so it would be a good excuse to the mess and injustice all over the world .

I was raised Christian, was never told this, this is the first I have heard of judgment day being an 'excuse' for anything

judgement day or not, it doesn't matter... anyone can live anyway they want, and have any/all sins resolved before death just by asking... and people wonder why i don't believe... it cannot get anymore made up that that sillyness...

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.



Matthew 7:21

does collective social conscience mean you all watch the x factor together or something? or go to t in the park ?

lol, and convert more to watch the jersy shore together...

is social conscience watching television? i don't watch it much but im unsociable

i don't even know what that is

it means CONFORM to the biblical standards or burn in hellllllll... i think, anyway... at least that's what i got out of it...

Moses freed his people , he needed them to establish his own kingdom ... in another words he used them , and he was both the religious and political ruler ... a typical autocrat .

It's important to re-emphasize msharmony's quote from the letter of James, as being a very excellent thought.

The fact of the matter is that it's easy for the Almighty God, on judgment day, to differentiate between those who sided with a certain agenda from those who didn't.

The Quran emphasizes that there will be both those who will be martialed into groups for judgement, and those who'll stand-alone while they're questioned.

One, can easily imagine those who were the leaders being in the fore-front of a great group, and, those who-in-turn, are of the same opinion as their leader, standing behind.

The Quran's references to this type of situation is very numerous.

it's still all based on one's personal beliefs... what right to some isn't right to others, and vise-versa... people say whats right and wrong in their own mind. and to them, it is right, no matter how someone else interprets it...

and so who is right?

those who think something is right or those who are sure they are wrong for thinking so?