so, Im living the videos from this site

the media has such an impression on the populace, and the populace trusts on face value so much of the advertising(even political ADvertising, which unfortunately is seen as honest information)


what if Lincoln ran today?

http://www.flackcheck.org/lincoln-vs-mcclellan/

The media would crucify Lincoln on two points.

1. That ludicrous stovepipe hat.
2. The "Honest Abe from Illinois" drivel. Dishonesty, seein's how he was really from Kentucky.

a White Obama,that's what he would be!

http://www.americanstalin.com/

The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Real Abraham Lincoln

They didn't teach you this in school...

Honest Abe's Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave.

Did you know that Abraham Lincoln practically imposed a dictatorship on the Northern states, closed down nearly 300 Northern newspapers, had thousands of Northerners arrested, invaded the Northern states of Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri and took over their legislatures, all because those three sovereign states didn't want to participate in his war which they considered unconstitutional.

The Writ of Habeas Corpus was suspended by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, during which tens of thousands of antiwar Northerners were imprisoned for voicing their views. Lincoln issued an arrest warrant for the Supreme Court Chief Justice when he correctly ruled that according to Article I of the Constitution, only Congress, not the president, could suspend the Great Writ of Habeas Corpus.

Most Americans do not know that the American Civil War stated out as a kind of coup. While Congress was in recess the Lincoln warmongers had multiple provocations in the works to resupply and land troops in the Southern forts that were under a truce. At the time that was clearly an act of war. But their plan was to get the Confederates to fire on the resupply ships and then accuse them of starting the war. It worked very well. In the end Lincoln killed more Americans than Hitler and Tojo combined. Yet, he is still revered in the land of the free. The Red Chinese, when defending their treatment of Tibet, use Lincoln as their hero. Our press never reports that interesting twist over here.

At the beginning of the Civil War, Lincoln and his little coup of Northern Industrialists wanted a nice short six month war to get them out of a depression. The federal government was dead broke and 10,000 businesses had gone bankrupt in the North. They had agreed to pull out of the Southern port forts and a truce was in effect. Confederate peace negotiators in Arlington, Virginia were assured that the North had no military intentions toward the seceded South. 'We just have some hot heads we have to contend with up here before we can do a non-aggression treaty'.

To get the war started Lincoln launched multiple resupply missions to several of the forts, an act of war at the time, to get the Confederate States of America forces to fire on them which they did at Sumter in Charleston. Lincoln claimed that an innocent food supply convoy had been attacked. The archives showed they were landing troops, artillery and munitions. To this day we hardly ever meet a soul who knows this real history despite it's being right in our archives.

It is rare to find a military officer, especially a Yankee, that knows that the loading manifests for the Fort Sumter ships have been open in the archives for a hundred years. They clearly show the troops and cannons on the manifests. But these inconvenient facts are ignored by the professional historians...it has something to do with hurting book sales.

Lincoln killed more Americans than Hitler and Tojo combined........
Plenty more......

The Editor of Ebony Magazine comments on Abraham Lincoln...

"On at least fourteen occasions between 1854 and 1860, Lincoln said unambiguously that he believed the Negro race was inferior to the White race. In Galesburg, he referred to 'the inferior races.' Who were 'the inferior races'? African Americans, he said, Mexicans, who he called 'mongrells," and probably all colored people." -- Lerone Bennett, Jr., Editor of Ebony Magazine, "Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream" (Chicago: Johnson Publishing Co., 2000), p. 132

How Honest Abe really felt about slavery... which begs the question: Was the Civil War really fought because Honest Abe was sympathetic to slaves, and wanted to free slaves? Let's see what Honest Abe himself says about the subject...

"Negro equality? Fudge!" -- Abraham Lincoln, Fragments: Notes for Speeches, Sept. 1859 (Vol. III)

"If I could save The Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it" -- Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Horace Greeley

"I am a little uneasy about the abolishment of slavery in this District [of Columbia]." -- Abraham Lincoln, 1862

"The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these [new] territories. We want them for the homes of free white people." -- Abraham Lincoln, October 16, 1854

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in the favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Lincoln's Reply to Douglas, Ottawa, Illinois, August 21, 1858," in "Abraham Lincoln: His Speeches and Writings, ed. Roy P. Basler (New York: Da Capo Press, 1990), p. 445

"I will say, then, that I am not nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858, Charleston, Illinois," in "Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings" (New York: Library of America, 1989), p. 636, and in Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 5, page 371

"Free them, and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this.... We cannot, then, make them equals." -- Abraham Lincoln, "Lincoln's Reply to Douglas," p. 444

"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races." -- Abraham Lincoln, Spoken at Springfield, Illinois on July 17th, 1858; from Abraham Lincoln: Complete Works, 1894, Volume 1,

ty for proving my point

I wonder the value of history books that listed all the skeletons and bad decisions of our founding fathers and 'historical' figures,,as a balance to the spin of how great they were,,,

OR

conversely,, if it listed the accomplishment and contribution and good decisions of our villains and enemies,, as a balance to their demonization ?

You might want to read what Saint Abe had to say about your People!
That's why I included the Link to the Article!

Im already aware of Lincolns views , I was raised in a home that attempted to keep us educated about our history, ancestry, etc

smearing is character assassination. Dubious, isn't it?

its so obviously simple to do to just about ANYONE,,

but such a turnoff to a voter like myself,,,


how are you the BETTER choice,, that's what I want to know,, not how much you devote to tearing down someone else,, but how much reason I have to support YOU,,,


there is so much less of that in media today, its all about how negative and dirty it can get,,,

And, of course, the media would have a fieldday, with Lincoln's known health issues. Giganticism (sp?)
A life shortening medical condition.

Then, there's that whole Whig party thing.

It's just part of the fear control they use on easily gullible public. The negative reinforcement used is far more effective than truth in control.

which is so weird, because with CHILDREN it works the opposite way,,lol

lmao. Bratty children are pretty smart and control you.

I would like an exact number of Americans killed (by/under) Lincoln's rule AND the exact number of Americans killed (by/under) Hitler's and Tojo's rule,

before I accept as fact this presented-as-fact statement.


Oh, and I would also like to see the citation to legitimate sources for these numbers.


Thanks, in advance!

Civil War:3/4 of a million Americans died!

WWII:405,399 American dead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

Well, the first statement I would have no problem whatsoever in believing. I guess the staff had to do something, don't recognize any of them on the comedy stage.

And the unwashed masses would believe anything, especially if it has some entitlement attached.

If Lincoln ran today, he would be right at home in the political spectrum but he would probably lose again, yes lose. The only reason he won was the split of the Democratic party into Southern and Northern components, a split because Lincoln was running. He won with no support from the South where he was universally hated. Even the black's hated his bigoted butt.

But it seems that site helps very little, still believing whatever is new irregardless of the actual facts.

Casualties in the Civil War

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.
The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:
Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:
Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000
Casualties in the Civil War


World War II
The U.S. lost some 408,000 killed.

On one air raid against Tokyo on the night of March 9, 1945, U.S. planes dropped incendiary bombs that killed 80,000 people.

After Japan rejected a U.S. and British ultimatum to surrender or face "prompt and utter destruction," the U.S. dropped the first bomb on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. Approximately 80,000 people were killed instantly, and tens of thousands died afterward from the effects of the bomb. The Japanese government was deadlocked over the issue of surrender, and on August 9 the Soviet Union declared war on Japan and the U.S. dropped a second atomic bomb, this time on Nagasaki, where 36,000 people were instantly killed.

Handout 13: World War II

Oh sir, plenty more is a vast understatement. The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery, that issue had already been resolved and slavery was on it's last leg, it was just the logistics that needed to be resolved. It was all about taxes, taxes the Southern states refused to pay to a Northern government in which they felt they had no say. Lincoln was but the last straw.

And we can also thank Lincoln for the unconstitutional 14th Amendment which curtailed the States rights. This Amendment as a whole was rejected by the Southern (and other) states and was not ratified. But Lincoln blocked all the Southern States from Congress and had overthrown all the Southern state governments with military rulers. Lincoln kicked all the Southern States out of congress until they the states agreed to ratify the 14th Amendment. By the way they had voted to ratify the 13th Amendment.

The only good thing about Lincoln is he hated Bankers. Too bad his prized industrialist were not strong enough to protect him. But then they too paid a price.

its atop your head, but others saw it,, IM sure,,

What point? Is there some mystical post that no one else saw that had a point?

And the founding fathers, my forefathers were great. They lived life, had morals and put their butts on the line for what they believed. They stood up, put their lives and fortunes on the line and now here we are, up to our necks in entitlements. Many lost both life and fortune and I just wonder if they were alive today, would they consider it worth it. Probably not!!!