lol, the most white rioting is sit down demonstrations in capitol buildings, I bet he would try to cite. OMG, white people shout dissent verbally using their mouths and signs. That could be a no-no riot depending on what state or Capitol building you are in.

But why, are they not relevant to the topic? Can we apply that same logic to the Sharpton/Jackson/Odumbo inspired protestors?

Point taken. Done.

Besides, I have to pee.

Really, what point? Are you going to share or should it just remain a mystery?

And what credit would you be trying to imply? Another mystery?

And then I have to agree with you, you "dued" be twisted

what about putting all those founding fathers on pedestools, using and quoting ole Benjamin Franklin like he is omehow more wise than all those around you...

HE'S DEAD...

so not here to be able to say how he might REGRET stating his previous thoughts on humanity...

as to quote him on "ignorance is unwilling to learn"!!

THAT MY FRIEND IS EXACTLY HOW HITLER THOUGHT.

AND STALIN...

AND NORTH KOREA...

AND CHINA...

AND RUSSIA...

AND MAO...

ETC.

ETC.

ETC.

AND VERY OTHER DICTATOR AND WANNABE DICTATOR IN HISTORY.

I agree. That same dis-informed propaganda has a hold on many white people. I don't mean the crazy extremist-racist white people, but also many of the so called 'anti-racist' white people.

Well its not like we have to choose between calling him 'odumbo' and placing him on a pedestal. We can refer to him as Obama without placing him on a pedestal.



Independent of whether a claim must be either true of false, we can and should make our own estimates of how likely a claim is to be one or the other. Consider why we convict based on conclusions that are "beyond a reasonable doubt".

I cannot know for certain what happened in Ferguson, but there are some things for which it's reasonable for me to conclude it 'almost certainly' happened.



.... are idiots in my opinion. But just because objective truth exist doesn't mean we are equipped to know that truth.

Apparently Mark Passio has not written anything on the subject. You'll be waiting for a reply until he does..

people that believe all the world should think as them self, value as them self, speak as one self, and do as one self, will always deem any who do not think as self, speak as one self, value as one self, do as one self, as ignorant and stupid...

such mentality truly exposes the narcissistic mentality of people who buy into them...

the kkk thinks blacks are as primitive and ignorant and so should be erased...

the jews thoughts christians ignorant and unwilling to learn if they didn't subscribe to becoming as them...

the islamist the same about all not islamist...

the christians the same about the jews...

hitler thought the jews as ignorant and unwilling to learn if they were not like him...

all dictators thought the same about their constituents...

it's truly just another way of saying all those not like me are ignorant.

only those whom want others to be one's clone would begin to as such...

would be dictators...

and so it is wondered why many blacks and whites think of each other as ignorant and unwilling to learn if the other does not value, think, speak, and act as one self does...

the notions creating such crap were across the board streamed into the conscious minds of all of humanity for many millenniums...

it is not just a plague of primitive narcissistic mentality of some certain individuals or groups, but rather inherent in the natural psyche of anyone of a society that worships or see's one self as greater based upon the individualness of one self...

then deeming this as some grand good, good enough that all others should be as one self.

please...

for humanity to evolve past such notions will require a massive re education in a loving way, not condemning anyone for simply believing what they were told by many people who were put upon pillars as more smart than one self, to create such notions to become adopted by the masses, as the good mental guide of one self.

peace

are they there yet?

Being Morons isn't really the prerogative of any particular Race!

A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race,and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin.AYN RAND

interesting...

it would seem morons are those that FEEL smart by mental association of them self with others deemed as smart by some, and so believe of them self the same, hence FEELING IT SO, which create a moron who can't see it's own moronic logic is simply based upon FEELING smart, and not actually being smart.

Angina - you know, them chest pains associated with a cardiac event.

manjina

Sir, as I stated, I am master of none outside self and will not make the choice for you, what you want to call Odumbo is your prerogative, I have mine. And yes you do have to choose, I have made my choice and it seems you have made yours. But yes I would place him upon a pedestal, the one your kick out once the rope is attached, of course we must have due process before we hang him.

What does a claim have to do with truth, that is but a perception, a perception of man. Perception of man wavers, first to one side then to the next therefore it can't be truth. Truth can't waver, it is now, it was then and always will be in the future which is different from the future truth which is impossible.

And man convicts based on perception, not necessarily the truth. As in Ferguson, it is the absolute truth that Officer Wilson killed that thug. Yes thug as that is another truth but this one proven by evidence to be absolute, not perception as in beyond reasonable doubt.

Objective truth, how can one state that only idiots believe there is no objective truth and then state that one is not equipped to know that truth? A conclusion drawn from two opposing premises is a flawed opinion and one of the premises is in error which is comical in a way, the error also happens to be the subject of the discourse.

Still no thoughts.... on the subject matter, eh?

Sure he did...

It is a logical fallacy to gauge the veracity of any information based upon how you feel when first seeing or hearing it.

Sound familiar?

There is nothing thought provoking within any of your comments.

You are a conspiracy theorist that copies and pastes other peoples work.

When you don't copy and paste you attempt to use words that you can't spell, therefore, I can only conclude you don't use them in normal conversation.

Have you mastered the spelling of esoteric yet?

Its not perfectly clear to me whether you believe that the 'choice' one must make is exactly between (a) calling him Odumbo and (b) placing him on a pedestal.

If you are arguing that position, then this strikes me as a false dilemma fallacy.

One *can* call him 'Obama' while NOT placing him on a pedestal.



We may be using common terms in different ways. From my pov, when people use language to discuss and debate what may or may not be true, we often parse out our different overall positions into individual claims. Working with claims, and evaluating the accuracy of claims, is a good process for determining what may or may not be true.




Yes, of course. I was just saying that our legal system recognizes and embraces the ambiguity, the grey area, of evaluating 'how likely' it is that a claim is accurate, and making decisions based on this. I don't understand your position, but you seem (?) to be allergic to this nuance. "Beyond a reasonable doubt"




There are some objective truths which I am equipped to know, and therefore I know that those that deny the existence of any objective truth are wrong. Being wrong doesn't make them idiots, and I was wrong to imply so earlier - but the *ways* that such people often argue for the non-existence of objective truth usually shows them to be idiots.

Actually, what's really going on there is that I have prejudice and judgement towards people who haven't realized that some things can be said to be objectively true, so I just call them idiots. Their entire ideological perspective is flawed in ways that will prevent them from reasoning well, but... they aren't all actually _idiots_.

Recognizing that objective truth exists doesn't require or guarantee that I'm equipped to know all objective truths. I also have reason to believe that there are some which I don't know and which I couldn't readily know - particular truths that require a more advanced understanding of statistics than I have (not the areas of stats used for demographic research, but the kind used in physics).

That's just dealing with our tools (in this case, understanding of math), not saying anything about our emotions.

With every human I've met, and attempted serious discussion, I've found emotional biases that interfere with our abilities to recognize objective truths. None of us seem to be especially well equipped, emotionally, to recognize all objective truths.

The context here was you saying there are no estimates of truth, it either is or isn't.

I agree that truth either is or isn't, but the more important fact (imo) is that sane, intelligent humans deal almost exclusively with 'estimates of truth' (positions on how likely something is to be true) rather than actual truth.

We simply can't do any better, we usually can't know the absolute, definite truth. And given our capacity for error, its actually BETTER for us to work with estimates of how likely something is to be true rather than insist on reducing everything to absolutes all the time.

Of course that would be your reply, I would expect no different. Those that live by the brawn seldom exercise the brain. They prefer to try and disrupt and deflect rather than be embarrassed by lack of thought on a matter.

Conspiracies abound everywhere, first as theories, then as full blown conspiracies. But the true idiots of this world accept everything at face value like good little citizens. Something to do with the lack of intelligence to question things.

There are many words that are resident in conversational or reading memory that can come forward into the written memory. But those lacking the desire to seek knowledge have them in none of the memories. But in today's world there is the internet and good old spell check that helps to free the mind to collect knowledge rather than minute details.

I think you should stick to exotoric, esoteric is well beyond your capabilities.