Topic: Person Freedom ...
Angeltripping17's photo
Sat 11/08/14 04:48 AM
As with everything in life there is a balance to be achieved and we are so far past that it isn't funny. Life is a balancing act and we should treat it as such

michelake's photo
Sat 11/08/14 04:58 AM
Edited by michelake on Sat 11/08/14 05:31 AM




things are shifting towards a larger gap btwn haves and have nots

or workers that 'earn' and owners who 'benefit'




yep,and the more Socialist-Doo-Dah you introduce,the worse it will get!


What would be your solution to this problem ? Conrad_73


Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!


I think that instead of "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!"
You meant to say "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world ends up like the old USSR!" right ?

I am sure that you do not mean total anarchy ?
There must be some form of structure.
And i do not really see the link between socialism and Government interferance. Communism did not work. But the gap between rich and
poor in the Capitalistic system is a lot bigger now.
In my opinion privatisation is one of the culprits to this problem. Not socialism.






no photo
Sat 11/08/14 05:37 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 11/08/14 05:40 AM





things are shifting towards a larger gap btwn haves and have nots

or workers that 'earn' and owners who 'benefit'




yep,and the more Socialist-Doo-Dah you introduce,the worse it will get!


What would be your solution to this problem ? Conrad_73


Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!


I think that instead of "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!"
You meant to say "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world ends up like the old USSR!" right ?

I am sure that you do not mean total anarchy ?
There must be some form of structure.
And i do not really see the link between socialism and Government interferance. Communism did not work. But the gap between rich and
poor in the Capitalistic system is a lot bigger now.
In my opinion privatisation is the culprit to this problem. Not socialism.


Poverty will always exist and wealth is not the problem!...Blaming wealth for poverty is beyond stupid...To consider socialism as a cure for wealth inequality is not only ludicrous, it shows a total lack of understanding about how socialism works and why it is an economic disaster...Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive...The solution is quite simple, implementing is more complex...Empower the people to become more productive!...Redistribution of resources accomplishes nothing...When peeps rant about the wealth that is controlled by a privileged 1%, they either don't realize or purposely omit the MOST important fact about this 1%,,,,,IT IS NOT CONSTANT!...It belongs to a group of people who are free; it belongs to a group of people that is ever changing and growing...EVERYONE IS FREE TO PERSUE A GOAL OF BUILDING THAT KIND OF WEALTH, EVERYONE!...As long a we are free to be productive, quality of life will continue to improve...

If you don't see the "link" between socialism and government interference, you do not understand how socialism works...The only way a state can establish price, wage and benefits is by taking CONTROL of resources....Once that happens, the people have no voice...That means they cannot work or live or buy or sell or trade as they choose because those lost freedoms are now being dictated by government...

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 11/08/14 05:43 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 11/08/14 05:48 AM





things are shifting towards a larger gap btwn haves and have nots

or workers that 'earn' and owners who 'benefit'




yep,and the more Socialist-Doo-Dah you introduce,the worse it will get!


What would be your solution to this problem ? Conrad_73


Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!


I think that instead of "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!"
You meant to say "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world ends up like the old USSR!" right ?

I am sure that you do not mean total anarchy ?
There must be some form of structure.
And i do not really see the link between socialism and Government interferance. Communism did not work. But the gap between rich and
poor in the Capitalistic system is a lot bigger now.
In my opinion privatisation is one of the culprits to this problem. Not socialism.







Me thinks you had better read up on Capitalism 101!
You might just find out that it doesn't exist,it's always screwed up with a good Dose of Statism!
Presently there are no Capitalist Systems,since Capitalism is an Economic,NOT a Political System,therefore Government needs to GTF out of People's Faces!

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html

Sure glad you are against Private Property and therefore Individual Rights!
Exactly in keeping what is going on in the Socialist-EU these days!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sat 11/08/14 06:07 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 11/08/14 06:39 AM



things are shifting towards a larger gap btwn haves and have nots

or workers that 'earn' and owners who 'benefit'




yep,and the more Socialist-Doo-Dah you introduce,the worse it will get!


What would be your solution to this problem ? Conrad_73



Term limits
No career politicians
Repeal Obozocare
Repeal the Patriot Act (a Bush whopper)
Do away with Citizens United (Thanks SCOTUS!)
End Foreign Aid
Get out of the UN
Repeal NAFTA and GAFTA
Re-initiate Glass/Stegal (you can thank one Clinton for that whopper!)
End the FED (AFTER 100 years of BS ...a proven FAILURE!)

Need I continue?

A good place to start

and another...


no photo
Sat 11/08/14 07:13 AM



People who don't conform to the control of fear stand out...damn, I really must do something about my smart mouth. ha.


Knowledge brings fear. It is hard to hide. I am not sure if it is possible in our brave new world.


It's not knowledge that brings fear....it's ignorance!

Conformity grooming begins in structured elementary school. This is where ignorance is learned from chosen text books that are slanted in history. Keeping sheeple, sheeple for the ones who are controllable.

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/08/14 07:32 AM
government the bad word for structure, which is necessary

imho, the reason (formal) governments fall is simply greed ,,, whatever it is called(socialism, capitalism, etc,,)

it comes down to Powerful(and by default, wealthy) figuring out how to make others WORK (to be interpreted LABOR, not think) for the products and services that make the powerful(and by default, wealthy) be able to enjoy their lives and how to make others hard earned money filter through a system meant to mostly benefit the powerful(and by default, wealthy)


and the workers (to be read laborers) get tired of being told they should be happy in their labor just getting by while those who make the rules and belittle their value live high and mighty , stripping them of value or power based upon their lack of wealth,,,



even in the systems we demonize as 'socialist' , the flaw and downfall has been the same thing,,,,,

even in slavery(yes, Im going to say the S word), laborers were menial and insignificant to their owners who reaped off of their work

,,,,ego, power, greed,, in any system, becomes its downfall ,,,,eventually


michelake's photo
Sat 11/08/14 07:39 AM
Edited by michelake on Sat 11/08/14 07:45 AM
@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/08/14 08:09 AM




things are shifting towards a larger gap btwn haves and have nots

or workers that 'earn' and owners who 'benefit'




yep,and the more Socialist-Doo-Dah you introduce,the worse it will get!


What would be your solution to this problem ? Conrad_73



Term limits
No career politicians
Repeal Obozocare
Repeal the Patriot Act (a Bush whopper)
Do away with Citizens United (Thanks SCOTUS!)
End Foreign Aid
Get out of the UN
Repeal NAFTA and GAFTA
Re-initiate Glass/Stegal (you can thank one Clinton for that whopper!)
End the FED (AFTER 100 years of BS ...a proven FAILURE!)

Need I continue?

A good place to start

and another...




CHaz could explain that,,

simply put,, those politicians answer to ALOT more people than teachers and military personnel,,, and always will
so that greater 'responsibility' and accountability answers why they should be earning what they earn,,,,


..repeated as an explanation,, not necessarily as my personal belief

michelake's photo
Sat 11/08/14 08:29 AM
Edited by michelake on Sat 11/08/14 08:38 AM
@ Conrad_73

"Sure glad you are against Private Property and therefore Individual Rights!
Exactly in keeping what is going on in the Socialist-EU these days"

Conrad_73 do not think that when i disagree with you on one thing that i disagree with everything. I truely hate the EU.
But the EU is another thing then the Dutch government. I think that
people have the right to property. They have the right to become richer. When people work hard then they should be rewarded accordingly.
My idea of a state that is socialist.( name it anything you like ) Is a state that takes care of
it's citizens in a good and productive way. I never said that because
of this people can just hang in front of the tv. Because the state
will provide them. It is about balance. But it goes for the richer
people too. They should pay taxes accordingly and not be able to dodge
them. Or go to foreign countries to have low waged people manufacture
their goods. Taking all the jobs with them that should remain in the country




no photo
Sat 11/08/14 09:49 AM

@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.


I don't think it's fair that anyone, individual or corporation, can dodge taxes...I have been calling for tax reform in my country for as long as I can remember...Relatively speaking, those 1% are not required to provide my country anymore than the remaining 99%...That's called freedom....As far as I can determine from what you say about the "super rich" and those living at poverty or below, we agree!!...I am saying rather than support the poor, use the money to empower them to become more productive...

In Spain the top individual income tax rate is 52%...Top corporate rate is 30%...Overall tax burden is 31.6% of gross domestic economy...Public expenditures are 45% of gross domestic income...Unemployment rate is at 25%...Inflation is at 2.4% and Spain's economic freedom is ranked 47th...It's improving, but how do you think it got so bad in the first place?...

In the US the top individual income tax rate is 40%...Top corporate tax rate is 35%...Overall tax burden is 25% of gross domestic economy...Government expenditures are 40% of GDP...Unemployment rate is at 8%...Inflation is at 2.1% and the United State's economic freedom is ranked 12th....Hopefully, in 2016 these numbers will improve...

This is a great link as you can pick any country you wish to review...

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates

Oh yeah, in spite of the ACA, the US continues to offer superior health care....If I'm going to get sick, I want to do it here or in Switzerland...laugh

metalwing's photo
Sat 11/08/14 09:57 AM


@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.


I don't think it's fair that anyone, individual or corporation, can dodge taxes...I have been calling for tax reform in my country for as long as I can remember...Relatively speaking, those 1% are not required to provide my country anymore than the remaining 99%...That's called freedom....As far as I can determine from what you say about the "super rich" and those living at poverty or below, we agree!!...I am saying rather than support the poor, use the money to empower them to become more productive...

In Spain the top individual income tax rate is 52%...Top corporate rate is 30%...Overall tax burden is 31.6% of gross domestic economy...Public expenditures are 45% of gross domestic income...Unemployment rate is at 25%...Inflation is at 2.4% and Spain's economic freedom is ranked 47th...It's improving, but how do you think it got so bad in the first place?...

In the US the top individual income tax rate is 40%...Top corporate tax rate is 35%...Overall tax burden is 25% of gross domestic economy...Government expenditures are 40% of GDP...Unemployment rate is at 8%...Inflation is at 2.1% and the United State's economic freedom is ranked 12th....Hopefully, in 2016 these numbers will improve...

This is a great link as you can pick any country you wish to review...

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates

Oh yeah, in spite of the ACA, the US continues to offer superior health care....If I'm going to get sick, I want to do it here or in Switzerland...laugh


That Leigh is a smart cookie! :wink:

no photo
Sat 11/08/14 10:06 AM

I think that instead of "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world doesn't end up like the old USSR!"
You meant to say "Get the ****ing Government out of People's Face before the whole world ends up like the old USSR!" right ?

I am sure that you do not mean total anarchy ?
There must be some form of structure.
And i do not really see the link between socialism and Government interferance. Communism did not work. But the gap between rich and
poor in the Capitalistic system is a lot bigger now.
In my opinion privatisation is one of the culprits to this problem. Not socialism.


Privitism more correctly deemed Statism

The brilliant idea that we give a small group of people the right to kidnap, imprison, harass, steal from and kill people, so that we can be protected from people who kidnap, harass, steal and kill people.
A statist is an individual who erroneously believes that there is such a thing as "authority" vested in certain human beings magically giving them the "right to rule" over other people. This "authority" means that certain people who we call "government", have the "moral right" to issue commands to those whom they rule (those under their "jurisdiction"), and that their "subjects" (slaves) have a "moral obligation" to obey the arbitrary dictates set by their masters. Most simply put, a statist is someone who believes in the legitimacy of slavery.

Conversely, an anarchist is the one who knows that there could never be legitimacy to "authority" or "government" because those terms are simply euphemisms for violence and slavery, which are always immoral and in opposition to natural law.

Anarchy

From the Greek prefix an: "without; the absence of" and the Greek noun achon: "master; ruler". Anarchy does not mean "without rules". It literally means "without rulers; without masters". No Rulers. No Masters.

Anarchy is the state of existence where there are no masters and no slaves. Therefore, anarchy means the absence of slavery, or in other words, freedom.

The Fear of Chaos

Chaos is a teacher. It teaches us, through apophasis, what not to do. The control and slavery system is about limitation of free will through the destruction of possibility.

True freedom includes infinite possibility, which by definition, includes the possibility of chaos. This possibility must be embraced without fear if we are to be truly free. The fear of the possibility of chaos is the fear of true freedom. The fear of the possibility of chaos is the death of the imagination.

Imagine is the powerful ability of the human mind to envision a different state or condition than the one which is already manifested. Imagination must be present in order to create a different state of existence than the one currently being experienced, because according to the Principle of Mentalism, for a different state to manifest in the physical world (Plane of Effects), it must first exist within the mind (Plane of Causality).

If the imagination is stifled or destroyed (total mind control), any positive change to our state of existence becomes completely impossible.

Through their fear of the possibility of chaos (true freedom), most people advocate the legitimacy and continuance of "authority" and government, and are therefore actually advocating the legitimacy and continuance of violence and slavery.
Those who believe that "authority" is necessary and that it must continue, have actually been duped into believing that human slavery is necessary and must continue in order to prevent chaos.

Statism - the most dangerous religion in the world. Violence and slavery can not prevent chaos. Violence and slavery are chaos.

Anarchy does not mean there is no rule of law, it just means that the rule of law is to protect the rights of the individuals. Anarchy does not mean there are no public services as it is within the rights of all to contract for these services for the benefit of all.

Communism, Socialism, Fascism and all other "authoritative" forms of government are but the same, instruments of slavery. I believe you are trying to compare crony-capitalism and calling it privatization. And yes, it is by privatization that crony-capitalism came into effect.

However, this is the exact opposite of true capitalism where individuals trade freely, offering value for value but that can never be in a statist environment just because of the pure nature of statism.

no photo
Sat 11/08/14 10:23 AM

@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.


Nescience vs Ignorance - The context of not knowing.

Nescience

From the Latin verb nesciere: "to not know because knowledge was absent or unobtainable"

Ignorance
From the Latin verb ignorare: "to not know even though necessary information is present, because that information has been willfully refused or disregarded.
Ignorance carries blame. The masses are in a state of ignorance.
The question is why?


What good does it do me, after all, if an ever-watchful authority keeps an eye out to ensure that my pleasures will be tranquil and races ahead of me to ward off all danger, sparing me the need even to think about such things, if that authority, even as it removes the smallest thorns from my path, is also absolute master of my liberty and my life; if it monopolizes vitality and existence to such a degree that when it languishes, everything around it must also languish; when it sleeps, everything must also sleep; and when it dies, everything must also perish?

There are some nations in Europe whose inhabitants think of themselves in a sense as colonists, indifferent to the fate of the place they live in. The greatest changes occur in their country without their cooperation. They are not even aware of precisely what has taken place. They suspect it; they have heard of the event by chance. More than that, they are unconcerned with the fortunes of their village, the safety of their streets, the fate of their church and its vestry. They think that such things have nothing to do with them, that they belong to a powerful stranger called "the government." They enjoy these goods as tenants, without a sense of ownership, and never give a thought to how they might be improved. They are so divorced from their own interests that even when their own security and that of their children is finally compromised, they do not seek to avert the danger themselves but cross their arms and wait for the nation as a whole to come to their aid. Yet as utterly as they sacrifice their own free will, they are no fonder of obedience than anyone else. They submit, it is true, to the whims of a clerk, but no sooner is force removed than they are glad to defy the law as a defeated enemy. Thus one finds them ever wavering between servitude and license.

When a nation has reached this point, it must either change its laws and mores or perish, for the well of public virtue has run dry: in such a place one no longer finds citizens but only subjects.
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America


What you are experiencing is an environment were the well of public virtue has run dry. But you haven't seen anything yet, the worse is yet to come.

no photo
Sat 11/08/14 10:41 AM

CHaz could explain that,,

simply put,, those politicians answer to ALOT more people than teachers and military personnel,,, and always will
so that greater 'responsibility' and accountability answers why they should be earning what they earn,,,,


..repeated as an explanation,, not necessarily as my personal belief


Explanation? Explanation of what, the justification of slavery?

And they earn what they earn because they have assumed the authority to determine their own pay, one of those little fallacies in the constitution that was partially addressed by Amendment 27, the amendment that took 203 years to be ratified.

Accountability? What accountability? And to whom are they accountable?

Within the original framework of the trust, Senators were allocated to the state, two for each to insure that each state had equal say. As they were the representatives of the states, they were chosen by the state legislatures but that was usurped by the 17th Amendment, passed by Congress May 13, 1912, ratified April 8, 1913. Wow does this sound familiar, wasn't this the era of the bankers with their gift of the IRS and the Federal Reserve. This is why the states have lost their designed function as one of the checks and balances against a large federal government.

And the Representatives, they were the representatives of the people, allocated by the population to give the people a fair shake in their government. That is why in the constitution they control the purse strings, after all the government has no money not taken from the people. The government was never meant to be an "entitlement" organization but it did not take the politicians long to figure out they could get elected by promising to rob the haves to give to the have nots. They no longer represent the people as that would be to protect their rights not to induce slavery.

So just where is any accountability?

no photo
Sat 11/08/14 10:59 AM


@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.


I don't think it's fair that anyone, individual or corporation, can dodge taxes...I have been calling for tax reform in my country for as long as I can remember...Relatively speaking, those 1% are not required to provide my country anymore than the remaining 99%...That's called freedom....As far as I can determine from what you say about the "super rich" and those living at poverty or below, we agree!!...I am saying rather than support the poor, use the money to empower them to become more productive...

In Spain the top individual income tax rate is 52%...Top corporate rate is 30%...Overall tax burden is 31.6% of gross domestic economy...Public expenditures are 45% of gross domestic income...Unemployment rate is at 25%...Inflation is at 2.4% and Spain's economic freedom is ranked 47th...It's improving, but how do you think it got so bad in the first place?...

In the US the top individual income tax rate is 40%...Top corporate tax rate is 35%...Overall tax burden is 25% of gross domestic economy...Government expenditures are 40% of GDP...Unemployment rate is at 8%...Inflation is at 2.1% and the United State's economic freedom is ranked 12th....Hopefully, in 2016 these numbers will improve...

This is a great link as you can pick any country you wish to review...

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates

Oh yeah, in spite of the ACA, the US continues to offer superior health care....If I'm going to get sick, I want to do it here or in Switzerland...laugh


Really?

Taxation

Taxation is the claim that a group of people who call themselves "government" have been given the "right" to confiscate an arbitrarily-chosen percentage of the product of another individual's labor (a form of property), whether or not the other agrees to share that product voluntarily. Taxation is enforced by the threat of violence (behavior resulting in bodily harm) or imprisonment (the taking away of physical freedom of movement) from those from whom the product is being seized attempt to resist the confiscation. This practice is always "justified" (made into a right) by those who claim that such a practice is necessary and required to "uphold the common good". If we define slavery as the involuntary confiscation of one hundred percent of the product of the labor of another human being, we can clearly see that there is no magical percentage to which we could lower this number (other than zero percent) that would no longer constitute slavery. If we are being honest with ourselves, taxation is merely a euphemism for theft, violence, and slavery, the practices upon which it is actually based. Since no individual anywhere on earth has the "right" to claim ownership of the product of another's labor such behavior can never be "delegated" to a group and called a "right". Therefore, all forms of taxation are always wrong according to natural law.

However, notice this is for people, not persons. Persons are fictitious entities created by the state for a privilege of doing that which would be illegal to do without such privilege provided by license or charter.

Before 1913, the US had no need for the income tax upon individuals. The "government" had all the money it needed via indirect taxes, so much in fact the direct taxes were very seldom used except in time of war (which these united States were starting to get addicted).

And even now, individual income taxes due not run the country. They are used to pay the Federal Reserve the interest on the debt that is and of itself unconstitutional.



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Sat 11/08/14 11:43 AM
@ allnewman

"
Anarchy

From the Greek prefix an: "without; the absence of" and the Greek noun achon: "master; ruler". Anarchy does not mean "without rules". It literally means "without rulers; without masters". No Rulers. No Masters.

Anarchy is the state of existence where there are no masters and no slaves. Therefore, anarchy means the absence of slavery, or in other words, freedom. "

Yes you are right. That is the true meaning of the word. Although i find it hard to imagine that there can be an absence of hierarchy.
Even in chaos.



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Sat 11/08/14 12:16 PM



@ Leigh2154 quote ".Look around you!...Check out Spain, Greece, North Korea, hell even Venezuela!...Poverty cannot be "cured" by taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots...The only cure is for the have-nots to become productive.."

My friend she lives in Spain. And she had to struggle for a job. Don't tell her that she needs to become more productive.
She has a University degree and raises 2 kids. She had to find a job way beyond her level. And work hard.
Also more people that are highly educated struggle to find jobs here. And have reverted to jobs below their level of education.

Also.. we are talking about my country now. And i can assure you that before the privatisation of things i was happy to live here.
Healthcare was free. And it was mandatory that children got check ups from a dentist that visited the school.
The train would always leave on time. And the railroads and trains where well taken care of.
After they privatised it. The trains did not leave on time. And maintaining the railroads is badly managed now.
Healthcare is very expensive. And there is more and more cuts. People worry about their pensions. Because managers have put all those
funds into the market. And gambled with them. And the result is a deficit.
A government in my country can assign someone in the government to do all kinds of managing duties. And they do not need
a ridiculous salary to do this. So there will be a lot more money to spend on the population.

Trust me.. i would not want to be in the USA in bad health. I know a doctors assistent. And one of her friends is diagnosed with
cancer. She once asked my friend for her gun to kill herselve. Because the pain was so unbearable. And she could not afford medicines.
My other friend she is a university teacher. And she is nominated by the former president. And she does not even have dental coverage.

If you think it is fair that companies like Starbucks can dodge taxes. Then it is your opinion but not mine.
Do those happy 1% provide your country that much ? Not really.. they will go abroad where there is cheaper labour.
I never said that people should not be able to pursue to become rich. I am not propagating that the super rich should maintain
the poor. Because that is a fallacy. No one wants to be poor. But if people do not have the chance of proper education and
healthcare or jobs. Then do not blame them for not advancing in life.


I don't think it's fair that anyone, individual or corporation, can dodge taxes...I have been calling for tax reform in my country for as long as I can remember...Relatively speaking, those 1% are not required to provide my country anymore than the remaining 99%...That's called freedom....As far as I can determine from what you say about the "super rich" and those living at poverty or below, we agree!!...I am saying rather than support the poor, use the money to empower them to become more productive...

In Spain the top individual income tax rate is 52%...Top corporate rate is 30%...Overall tax burden is 31.6% of gross domestic economy...Public expenditures are 45% of gross domestic income...Unemployment rate is at 25%...Inflation is at 2.4% and Spain's economic freedom is ranked 47th...It's improving, but how do you think it got so bad in the first place?...

In the US the top individual income tax rate is 40%...Top corporate tax rate is 35%...Overall tax burden is 25% of gross domestic economy...Government expenditures are 40% of GDP...Unemployment rate is at 8%...Inflation is at 2.1% and the United State's economic freedom is ranked 12th....Hopefully, in 2016 these numbers will improve...

This is a great link as you can pick any country you wish to review...

http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates

Oh yeah, in spite of the ACA, the US continues to offer superior health care....If I'm going to get sick, I want to do it here or in Switzerland...laugh


Really?

Taxation

Taxation is the claim that a group of people who call themselves "government" have been given the "right" to confiscate an arbitrarily-chosen percentage of the product of another individual's labor (a form of property), whether or not the other agrees to share that product voluntarily. Taxation is enforced by the threat of violence (behavior resulting in bodily harm) or imprisonment (the taking away of physical freedom of movement) from those from whom the product is being seized attempt to resist the confiscation. This practice is always "justified" (made into a right) by those who claim that such a practice is necessary and required to "uphold the common good". If we define slavery as the involuntary confiscation of one hundred percent of the product of the labor of another human being, we can clearly see that there is no magical percentage to which we could lower this number (other than zero percent) that would no longer constitute slavery. If we are being honest with ourselves, taxation is merely a euphemism for theft, violence, and slavery, the practices upon which it is actually based. Since no individual anywhere on earth has the "right" to claim ownership of the product of another's labor such behavior can never be "delegated" to a group and called a "right". Therefore, all forms of taxation are always wrong according to natural law.

However, notice this is for people, not persons. Persons are fictitious entities created by the state for a privilege of doing that which would be illegal to do without such privilege provided by license or charter.

Before 1913, the US had no need for the income tax upon individuals. The "government" had all the money it needed via indirect taxes, so much in fact the direct taxes were very seldom used except in time of war (which these united States were starting to get addicted).

And even now, individual income taxes due not run the country. They are used to pay the Federal Reserve the interest on the debt that is and of itself unconstitutional.



Taxation in The United States is a system under which American citizens are taxed...At the federal level, personal income, corporate income and capital gains are all taxed on a progressive, bracketed scale...Along with sales tax and various taxes on wages, some states also have income and corporate taxes too...Compared to the rest of the world, individual income tax is on the low side while corporate income tax is on the high side...
The purpose of taxation is to ensure American well-being by achieving the highest possible level of growth in a private economy while maintaining an efficient state 'in a supporting' role...If you don't like that plan, relocate...

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Sat 11/08/14 12:25 PM
..or vote,, for those who set fiscal policy,,,


tax rates have and do change,,,,as does policy,,,

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Sat 11/08/14 01:04 PM



People who don't conform to the control of fear stand out...damn, I really must do something about my smart mouth. ha.


Knowledge brings fear. It is hard to hide. I am not sure if it is possible in our brave new world.


It's not knowledge that brings fear....it's ignorance!


That depends on a percentage of ignorant voters.