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dash cams aren't that expensive,,,,the cost of one police car could probably furnish 250 others with a cam The hell they aren't. Our Sheriff's Department couldn't afford them and we have one of the highest funded departments in the state outside of Vegas. They even got rid of the SWAT team because of expenses. |
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sounds as if maybe that sheriffs department doesn't handle finances well
but dashcams(portable webcams, basically) are still not that expenseive,,, |
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dash cams aren't that expensive,,,,the cost of one police car could probably furnish 250 others with a cam The hell they aren't. Our Sheriff's Department couldn't afford them and we have one of the highest funded departments in the state outside of Vegas. They even got rid of the SWAT team because of expenses. what are ya saying here.....you had a funded SWAT team before they even installed cheap dash-cams...???? ..thats really ironic, ain't it....i just wonder how many times that SWAT team was deployed vs. something that would be used every single day on every single arrest....where's those stats ??? |
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Moral of the story : Encourage your kids to be organ donors register. Think of all 10 lives that could benefit from these accidents.
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question @ navygirl.....when the spike belts were used were there any injuries to the perpetrator or was the car brought to a quick safe stop ? Car was brought to a safe stop with only minor injuries to the perpetrators. That is rare, even using spike strips. I think it was because he slowed down. I was listening to the police band when this happened. He got lucky. |
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Wed 11/05/14 06:35 PM
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Yeah, but the big issue is the parents, well in this case I understand only one as dad is unknown. Now, if I had been caught stealing a car, I would pray the police take me to jail as I would not have wanted to face my mom (and I would hope she got to me before dad). But that's ok, today's parents have no morals remaining, so how can they pass them along? the big issue isn't parents at all.... this is shifting the blame with 20/20 hindsight....i'll give it to you...yeah mama was crack ho and papa was a rolling stone...so what...little johnny didn't get spanked when he was growing up, but now its 10 years later and little johnny is speeding in stolen car...society has to deal with him in todays real time world, how we do that is to apprehend him in the safest manner possible with the lowest risk of injury or death to all concerned........i'm sure we have the capability to take him out with missile delivered by a drone aircraft...that would probably cost the taxpayers less than giving a 15yo kid a chance at rehabilitating himself... the measure of any civilized society is the manner in which they treat the criminals that live among them..... I agree, the big issue isn't the parents, it it the total issue. The parents and the parents alone could have prevented this by teaching the offspring a moral code. And as to high speed chases, you weren't there and neither was I so how can the officer be second guessed? But one thing that you prefer to ignore so that the office can be persecuted is "probable cause". This officer had probable cause and was well within his duty to keep the peace. As no innocent bystanders were injured or even mentioned as jeopardized, then there is nothing to even start to say he exceeded his duty. And for the criminals that live amongst us, the common law has the answer, rope and thirteen loops. It's 3:00 a.m. Where is your 15 Year Old Daughter? Police are at Fault |
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teach people they "deserve" their rights, and "victims" blind to seeing their own actions one will create before one's very own eye's like magic...
but oft times, THIS IS a VERY GOOD and profitable thing to perpetuate in human minds to create, but only feeble brains of blame will fall for such primitive tactics and ploys employed by wise one's to create what be wished to exist from the very start. |
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you know what happens when you assume the facts.... when did you ever see a cop not give chase to a fleeing suspect ?? chief vance stated the officer "did not give chase because the suspects turned down a side street and crashed into a tree" that is the biggest crock of bull i've ever heard in my life....this is irresponsible reporting at best and jumping to conclusions... produce the dash-cam video, if there is one, to show whether or not these kids were, in fact, pulled over and then fled...or just a high-speed chase until they crashed into the tree.... I'm not assuming any facts. I am accepting the facts, as stated by the police dept, to be true. That is their job. That is part of being a professional. When I state the facts on a project I am working on, people "assume" I am telling them the truth. I separate my opinion from my observation of the "facts". Police are supposed to do the same thing but seldom does their opinion officially enter the picture. I am not saying that some police don't lie or that occasionally they don't cover up their mistakes, but I don't see any reason for them to lie here because the crash is the kids' fault any way you look at it. I think you are finding "hate" where it doesn't exist. That is what Jackson and Sharpton do. i'll reiterate for the last time.....produce the dash-cam video and it will lay all doubt and assumptions to rest about the facts in this case...the video will show the entire chase sequence as it happened in real time including the arresting officer standing idly by while the suspects fled... as for any hate...i only brought attention to the hateful comments by those who made them here on this thread.....kids do stupid things every day....those nasty things said about the mother were highly inappropriate and deserved or not, should be kept to oneself...some of our most outstanding citizens have had their children run afoul of the law at times.. they shouldn't be raked over the coals as terrible people because of bad decisions made by their children..... Clearly there is no dash cam. Contrary to popular belief only State Police and large well funded departments like the LAPD or MYPD have dash cams and almost none have body cameras. Most departments can't even afford body armor or new Tasers let a lone a camera hard wired into a car or an expensive portable camera that clips onto the uniform. There are ways to investigate a crime without video. I do it on a daily basis. The whole argument of show me the video is well pointless. I find that hard to believe. Wiring my car with a DVD that will stream real time over 3G with four cameras is less than $500. Kick in about $300 for installation and that is less than $800 per vehicle. Now last year, that illegal institution called traffic infractions netted over $6 billion just in speeding tickets. So just who is scamming all the cash? |
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dash cams aren't that expensive,,,,the cost of one police car could probably furnish 250 others with a cam The hell they aren't. Our Sheriff's Department couldn't afford them and we have one of the highest funded departments in the state outside of Vegas. They even got rid of the SWAT team because of expenses. And that is even harder to believe. I lived in a little berg county in Florida where the Sheriff needed three new detective cars which the commission approved. She testified to the county commission that she didn't need funds as she had plenty of surplus and bought three brand new cars with cash. And the new body cams: WOLFCOM� Police Body Worn Cameras |
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I think dash cams are a great idea and lots of our police cars have them here for the officer's protection. Of course; you will get the whiners who say the cops are playing "big brother" and how this infringes on their privacy or human rights.
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dash cams aren't that expensive,,,,the cost of one police car could probably furnish 250 others with a cam The hell they aren't. Our Sheriff's Department couldn't afford them and we have one of the highest funded departments in the state outside of Vegas. They even got rid of the SWAT team because of expenses. what are ya saying here.....you had a funded SWAT team before they even installed cheap dash-cams...???? ..thats really ironic, ain't it....i just wonder how many times that SWAT team was deployed vs. something that would be used every single day on every single arrest....where's those stats ??? We don't have dash cams, we cant afford them like most departments cant. Learn how to read. |
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you know what happens when you assume the facts.... when did you ever see a cop not give chase to a fleeing suspect ?? chief vance stated the officer "did not give chase because the suspects turned down a side street and crashed into a tree" that is the biggest crock of bull i've ever heard in my life....this is irresponsible reporting at best and jumping to conclusions... produce the dash-cam video, if there is one, to show whether or not these kids were, in fact, pulled over and then fled...or just a high-speed chase until they crashed into the tree.... I'm not assuming any facts. I am accepting the facts, as stated by the police dept, to be true. That is their job. That is part of being a professional. When I state the facts on a project I am working on, people "assume" I am telling them the truth. I separate my opinion from my observation of the "facts". Police are supposed to do the same thing but seldom does their opinion officially enter the picture. I am not saying that some police don't lie or that occasionally they don't cover up their mistakes, but I don't see any reason for them to lie here because the crash is the kids' fault any way you look at it. I think you are finding "hate" where it doesn't exist. That is what Jackson and Sharpton do. i'll reiterate for the last time.....produce the dash-cam video and it will lay all doubt and assumptions to rest about the facts in this case...the video will show the entire chase sequence as it happened in real time including the arresting officer standing idly by while the suspects fled... as for any hate...i only brought attention to the hateful comments by those who made them here on this thread.....kids do stupid things every day....those nasty things said about the mother were highly inappropriate and deserved or not, should be kept to oneself...some of our most outstanding citizens have had their children run afoul of the law at times.. they shouldn't be raked over the coals as terrible people because of bad decisions made by their children..... Clearly there is no dash cam. Contrary to popular belief only State Police and large well funded departments like the LAPD or MYPD have dash cams and almost none have body cameras. Most departments can't even afford body armor or new Tasers let a lone a camera hard wired into a car or an expensive portable camera that clips onto the uniform. There are ways to investigate a crime without video. I do it on a daily basis. The whole argument of show me the video is well pointless. I find that hard to believe. Wiring my car with a DVD that will stream real time over 3G with four cameras is less than $500. Kick in about $300 for installation and that is less than $800 per vehicle. Now last year, that illegal institution called traffic infractions netted over $6 billion just in speeding tickets. So just who is scamming all the cash? Actually more then that. Just for a backup camera on my car is over $1,200. That doesn't include recording or transferring data. |
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An officer clocked the vehicle and made the stop. Police say the officer pulled the vehicle over and once he got out of his car and started walking toward the vehicle, the driver of the car took off. Chief Lee Vance says the officer never gave chase because the driver turned down a side street and then slammed into a tree. these three statements, taken from the OP, are what gave rise to my doubt of the police version of the story and my stance of...produce the video or don't deny the POSSIBILITY that the police MIGHT be covering up misconduct of another officer.... even if i concede that yes, the police were acting in the line of duty,they had probable cause to pursue and apprehend, that the perps were guilty of all crimes accused, there were no cameras available, and yes ,it all could have been prevented with the use of better parenting skills...... if i let you have all of that as a "gimme" ....the statement of chief vance doesn't make sense.... when the officer had the suspects car pulled to a stop, and approached on foot he stated the driver took off....WHY didn't he rush back to his car and give chase again...he was still on duty, he had even more probable cause and the suspects were guilty of committing another crime in his presence....the idea that the officer didn't run back to his car and continue his pursuit, just because the suspects turned down a side street is totally unbelievable.....if the story don't make sense, it probably ain't true.... the mother ain't buying it, and i ain't either..... |
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The hell they aren't. Our Sheriff's Department couldn't afford them and we have one of the highest funded departments in the state outside of Vegas. They even got rid of the SWAT team because of expenses. what are ya saying here.....you had a funded SWAT team before they even installed cheap dash-cams...???? ..thats really ironic, ain't it....i just wonder how many times that SWAT team was deployed vs. something that would be used every single day on every single arrest....where's those stats ??? We don't have dash cams, we cant afford them like most departments cant. Learn how to read. not only can i read, i can read, AND comprehend.....to get RID of something you have to HAVE it in the first place.....what i found ironic was the fact that the sheriffs dept saw fit to allocate funds for a para-military style swat team and all the accompanying expense that goes with it, BEFORE approving, or maybe even considering funding the use of dashcams or bodycams....i guess he had his priorities... or it could be, he had no cronies in the video camera business.... |
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you know what happens when you assume the facts.... when did you ever see a cop not give chase to a fleeing suspect ?? chief vance stated the officer "did not give chase because the suspects turned down a side street and crashed into a tree" that is the biggest crock of bull i've ever heard in my life....this is irresponsible reporting at best and jumping to conclusions... produce the dash-cam video, if there is one, to show whether or not these kids were, in fact, pulled over and then fled...or just a high-speed chase until they crashed into the tree.... I'm not assuming any facts. I am accepting the facts, as stated by the police dept, to be true. That is their job. That is part of being a professional. When I state the facts on a project I am working on, people "assume" I am telling them the truth. I separate my opinion from my observation of the "facts". Police are supposed to do the same thing but seldom does their opinion officially enter the picture. I am not saying that some police don't lie or that occasionally they don't cover up their mistakes, but I don't see any reason for them to lie here because the crash is the kids' fault any way you look at it. I think you are finding "hate" where it doesn't exist. That is what Jackson and Sharpton do. i'll reiterate for the last time.....produce the dash-cam video and it will lay all doubt and assumptions to rest about the facts in this case...the video will show the entire chase sequence as it happened in real time including the arresting officer standing idly by while the suspects fled... as for any hate...i only brought attention to the hateful comments by those who made them here on this thread.....kids do stupid things every day....those nasty things said about the mother were highly inappropriate and deserved or not, should be kept to oneself...some of our most outstanding citizens have had their children run afoul of the law at times.. they shouldn't be raked over the coals as terrible people because of bad decisions made by their children..... Clearly there is no dash cam. Contrary to popular belief only State Police and large well funded departments like the LAPD or MYPD have dash cams and almost none have body cameras. Most departments can't even afford body armor or new Tasers let a lone a camera hard wired into a car or an expensive portable camera that clips onto the uniform. There are ways to investigate a crime without video. I do it on a daily basis. The whole argument of show me the video is well pointless. I find that hard to believe. Wiring my car with a DVD that will stream real time over 3G with four cameras is less than $500. Kick in about $300 for installation and that is less than $800 per vehicle. Now last year, that illegal institution called traffic infractions netted over $6 billion just in speeding tickets. So just who is scamming all the cash? Actually more then that. Just for a backup camera on my car is over $1,200. That doesn't include recording or transferring data. Yes that is the fallacy of the government, believing that just because the taxpayer is footing the bill, money is no object. $1200 for a backup camera that should have been about a $100. |
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An officer clocked the vehicle and made the stop. Police say the officer pulled the vehicle over and once he got out of his car and started walking toward the vehicle, the driver of the car took off. Chief Lee Vance says the officer never gave chase because the driver turned down a side street and then slammed into a tree. these three statements, taken from the OP, are what gave rise to my doubt of the police version of the story and my stance of...produce the video or don't deny the POSSIBILITY that the police MIGHT be covering up misconduct of another officer.... even if i concede that yes, the police were acting in the line of duty,they had probable cause to pursue and apprehend, that the perps were guilty of all crimes accused, there were no cameras available, and yes ,it all could have been prevented with the use of better parenting skills...... if i let you have all of that as a "gimme" ....the statement of chief vance doesn't make sense.... when the officer had the suspects car pulled to a stop, and approached on foot he stated the driver took off....WHY didn't he rush back to his car and give chase again...he was still on duty, he had even more probable cause and the suspects were guilty of committing another crime in his presence....the idea that the officer didn't run back to his car and continue his pursuit, just because the suspects turned down a side street is totally unbelievable.....if the story don't make sense, it probably ain't true.... the mother ain't buying it, and i ain't either..... Well the real moral of the story is it really doesn't matter whether you or the mother believe it or not. Until you can find witnesses that will testify to wrongdoing of the officer, then the is no guilt. Even if the officer pitted them and made them slam into the tree, still no guilt. When you are a criminal, expect to be treated as one. When you steal a car and go joyriding, expect to be caught. When you are caught, stop and face the music. And when they catch up with the driver, he should be charged with one count of murder and two counts (one for the officer) of attempted murder and because it's in Mississippi, hung. |
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An officer clocked the vehicle and made the stop. Police say the officer pulled the vehicle over and once he got out of his car and started walking toward the vehicle, the driver of the car took off. Chief Lee Vance says the officer never gave chase because the driver turned down a side street and then slammed into a tree. these three statements, taken from the OP, are what gave rise to my doubt of the police version of the story and my stance of...produce the video or don't deny the POSSIBILITY that the police MIGHT be covering up misconduct of another officer.... even if i concede that yes, the police were acting in the line of duty,they had probable cause to pursue and apprehend, that the perps were guilty of all crimes accused, there were no cameras available, and yes ,it all could have been prevented with the use of better parenting skills...... if i let you have all of that as a "gimme" ....the statement of chief vance doesn't make sense.... when the officer had the suspects car pulled to a stop, and approached on foot he stated the driver took off....WHY didn't he rush back to his car and give chase again...he was still on duty, he had even more probable cause and the suspects were guilty of committing another crime in his presence....the idea that the officer didn't run back to his car and continue his pursuit, just because the suspects turned down a side street is totally unbelievable.....if the story don't make sense, it probably ain't true.... the mother ain't buying it, and i ain't either..... Well the real moral of the story is it really doesn't matter whether you or the mother believe it or not. Until you can find witnesses that will testify to wrongdoing of the officer, then the is no guilt. Even if the officer pitted them and made them slam into the tree, still no guilt. When you are a criminal, expect to be treated as one. When you steal a car and go joyriding, expect to be caught. When you are caught, stop and face the music. And when they catch up with the driver, he should be charged with one count of murder and two counts (one for the officer) of attempted murder and because it's in Mississippi, hung. so, as long as there are no witnesses, there is no guilt ?? are we, as a society, expected to believe whatever the police tell us ?? sorry..i don't "back the blue" with blind faith alone...that don't cut it with me...my issue is not this particular case, but the larger issue that the ...POSSIBILITY of misconduct...MIGHT....exist in the field of law enforcement....history teaches us to question authority, or be subdued by it...why do you think the need arose to have dash-cams & body-cams, in the first place ??? the day will come when every officer will be under the same scrutiny as the "red-light runner" is when he gets his ticket in the mail...this will not only protect peace officers performing their sworn duties, but also the citizens from questionable tactics by the police.. i.e. stopping people because they "look" like they don't "belong" in a certain neighborhood at a certain time...."do you mind if i search your car ? oh, you do, we'll just wait for the K-9 unit then"....pulling over some hot blonde in a sportscar for not using turn signals on a lane change...and many others... for me, i'm done beating this dead horse....i've had the opportunity to make my humble opinions known, and the readers can assess their own value to my position on this subject...that is all i can ask for, and i'm thankful i have the freedom to do so.... |
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An officer clocked the vehicle and made the stop. Police say the officer pulled the vehicle over and once he got out of his car and started walking toward the vehicle, the driver of the car took off. Chief Lee Vance says the officer never gave chase because the driver turned down a side street and then slammed into a tree. these three statements, taken from the OP, are what gave rise to my doubt of the police version of the story and my stance of...produce the video or don't deny the POSSIBILITY that the police MIGHT be covering up misconduct of another officer.... even if i concede that yes, the police were acting in the line of duty,they had probable cause to pursue and apprehend, that the perps were guilty of all crimes accused, there were no cameras available, and yes ,it all could have been prevented with the use of better parenting skills...... if i let you have all of that as a "gimme" ....the statement of chief vance doesn't make sense.... when the officer had the suspects car pulled to a stop, and approached on foot he stated the driver took off....WHY didn't he rush back to his car and give chase again...he was still on duty, he had even more probable cause and the suspects were guilty of committing another crime in his presence....the idea that the officer didn't run back to his car and continue his pursuit, just because the suspects turned down a side street is totally unbelievable.....if the story don't make sense, it probably ain't true.... the mother ain't buying it, and i ain't either..... Well the real moral of the story is it really doesn't matter whether you or the mother believe it or not. Until you can find witnesses that will testify to wrongdoing of the officer, then the is no guilt. Even if the officer pitted them and made them slam into the tree, still no guilt. When you are a criminal, expect to be treated as one. When you steal a car and go joyriding, expect to be caught. When you are caught, stop and face the music. And when they catch up with the driver, he should be charged with one count of murder and two counts (one for the officer) of attempted murder and because it's in Mississippi, hung. so, as long as there are no witnesses, there is no guilt ?? are we, as a society, expected to believe whatever the police tell us ?? sorry..i don't "back the blue" with blind faith alone...that don't cut it with me...my issue is not this particular case, but the larger issue that the ...POSSIBILITY of misconduct...MIGHT....exist in the field of law enforcement....history teaches us to question authority, or be subdued by it...why do you think the need arose to have dash-cams & body-cams, in the first place ??? the day will come when every officer will be under the same scrutiny as the "red-light runner" is when he gets his ticket in the mail...this will not only protect peace officers performing their sworn duties, but also the citizens from questionable tactics by the police.. i.e. stopping people because they "look" like they don't "belong" in a certain neighborhood at a certain time...."do you mind if i search your car ? oh, you do, we'll just wait for the K-9 unit then"....pulling over some hot blonde in a sportscar for not using turn signals on a lane change...and many others... for me, i'm done beating this dead horse....i've had the opportunity to make my humble opinions known, and the readers can assess their own value to my position on this subject...that is all i can ask for, and i'm thankful i have the freedom to do so.... Now you have something I would agree with. With this instant case and you could include Ferguson, they are not the instruments of the police state nor do they represent what has become law enforcement. On it's face, they were peace officers doing their duty and criminals were involved. The act of pursuing the wrong dog that causes all such pursuits not to be taken seriously. There are too many incidents of the psychopathic element that are being recruited into the "law enforcement" organizations and the phenomena of the days of the peace office to go the way of the dodo bird. And yes their should be dash cams, but why just the police. Why not your own. A small unobtrusive unit that goes under the mirror is around $100. Two way camera's (one's with a lens that looks forward and a lens that looks back) are under $200. And they are good for more than just cops. As for those other things, they are a violation of rights. Personally I deal with them most strenuously. That is why your personal camera is so important and in the case of the mental cases called psychopaths that wear the badge, I would suggest instant streaming to the internet as they like to erase the memory cards when they find the DVD unit. These camera's provide invaluable evidence in the civil lawsuit that follows. |
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