Flux is a measurement of magnetism.

Time is also distorted by gravity. which varies with density.

The devices you mention only track relative time. Each time this rock trembles and shifts, that reference changes. The day got shorter just after the recent Japanese quake.

how can something that doesn't exist be distorted by gravity? i think thats where modern scientists are wrong, time is nothing but a perception... can a mile or an inch be distorted by gravity as well then?

Your clock, a motor that counts. Is measuring an interval, and is subject to gravity. If you change the gravity or force being asserted upon it, the motor no longer has the same resistance to mechanical motion and will run faster if the force is removed. Increase the force and it will run slower.

Just like musical "time" is measured independent of Earth time. E.g. 4/4, 3/4 and then BPM or tempo.

It's a reference point. Just one that the Swiss got us all to agree upon to sell more watches.

yea, i understand cause and effect, but what i don't understand is what time is that gravity can affect it... gravity won't change what a gallon is, it won't change what a meter is, they are all units of measurement, no substance to any...

It's all about cycles, circles and synchronicity.

And stop trying to bring apples and plums into a discussion about oranges.

well, obviously you don't know either... don't be a smartazz if you can't answer a question...

I can, but you're trying to compare linear and volumetric measurement to tracking an interval.

Neither one applies to synchronicity.

The answers to your side questiions cna be found by learning about the "megalithic yard" and the goddess worship of the last millennium. Most of our volume and distance measurements are based on that.

Base 12 goes back to Sumerian culture circa 5000 BCE in what is now Iraq.

none of that matters as to the question i was asking you... i'm asking you what time is physically, what is it made of that gravity can affect it...

i can't see time as anything more than a perception, and i think you see it as something else...

Time is a concept, a measure of the cycles of rotation of this rock. (And fractions and multiples of several rotations) Change the rate or axial rotation of this rock and you change the scale of measurement and the common reference point. Since that happens every time the mass of the planet shifts due to tectonic movement. This would make it by default non-linear. Non constant and wholly inaccurate. Spinning stuff changes everything, especially with random variance of the spin.

A wobbly top, that we want a uniform measurement of a single rotation. The wobble changes every time it shakes. The wobble influenced by our own satellite and every other body in the solar system.

I could go much deeper, but you would need an understanding of physics and its some heavy math too. Not everything spins on its own axis, this rock does.

Then there is the elliptical shape of orbits, not circular, not "even" or consistent at all.

Let me ask you a question...
How long is a year on Venus?

ok, we are almost getting somewhere now... you said that gravity effects time, so how does gravity affect a concept?

Gentlemen...

Perhaps, my reference to the use of the word 'flux' was better as 'undulate.'

(The Action Of Something Making A Constant Wave-Like Motion)

what is that "something"? a concept cannot be a constant wave-like motion...

I can leave this post here come back and revisit it in 3 years..
and it would be as though "time stood still".... not to mention with my luck I'll still be on here in 3 years..

lol, time doesn't move or stand still...

My point exactly...

Time is constant, despite our best efforts to use 'something' that undulates at a 'relatively constant speed'.

(I Know What You're Going To Say Next)

Yes, nothing moves absolutely at a 'constant speed'.

That's why we're constantly trying to find something that keeps time better.

Atomic Clocks are pretty good... But, not absolute!

everyone still goes around my question here... what is that "something"? a concept is just a thought, nothing more... what is undulating? what is it that makes gravity/velocity speed it(time) up or slow it down?


what is time made from? there would have to be something physical to make it undulate, or a wave... particles? sub atomic particles?


seems that no one can answer this question, but everyone says that time has a physical presence to be slowed or hurried...

I understand You paradox...

Here's a thought!

When You wind-up a Clock, You store-up it's potential energy.

The energy is gradually released by the ebb-and-flow of the pendulum.

It, seemingly, runs at a relatively constant speed, till an insufficient amount of tension is the spring can not sustain movement. So, the clock stops.

Apparently, all molecular activity stops when objects are cooled to absolute zero. So, all undulation stops too.

If 'WE' ourselves were subject to such incredible cold, we'd still perceive time as the pendulum of the clock seemingly clicks away the seconds. But, once we'd freeze completely all molecular activity in our bodies would stop, and so would the perception of the passing of time.

Needless to say, we'd be dead though, too! <---- Happy Thought ---<<<

ok, i'm going to keep sticking with my original thought, that time cannot be slowed or sped up, and Einstein was wrong...

And I agree with You, Moe.

thanks, buddy! lol... i'm still confused as to why so many people think that he's right, tho...


math, huh...