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Topic: need proof of God?
Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:25 PM



It has often been noted that a proof of God would be fatal to religion: a God susceptible of proof would have to be finite and limited; He would be one entity among others within the universe, not a mystic omnipotence transcending science and reality. What nourishes the spirit of religion is not proof, but faith, i.e., the undercutting of man's mind.


Leonard Peikoff, Maybe You're Wrong
The Objectivist Forum, April 1981,




This makes more sense than the remainder of the posts combined....
bigsmile :thumbsup: waving

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:27 PM






Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Your Argument is fallacious!

No process of biological evolution could ever lead to the formation of a spiritual entity that would survive the death of the physical organisms.. we cannot beleive n a personally conscious afterlife unless we admit that there s a nonbiological, non material dimensions to human..this non material entity could only derive from a non material source: God himself..this s directly and explicitly taught n the bible n genesis 2:7..of course the question of whether humans have a spirit s not an issue that science can speak to, since such a spirit s not measurable or observable by material measures..


and where is your proof outside of one Book of Myths!
What happen to the principle of Check and Double-Check!
There is a slight possibility that you need to learn the ways of Scientific Inquiry,before you talk about "Scientific Proof" contained in a Book of Myths by several ancient People!

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Wed 09/03/14 12:29 PM




It has often been noted that a proof of God would be fatal to religion: a God susceptible of proof would have to be finite and limited; He would be one entity among others within the universe, not a mystic omnipotence transcending science and reality. What nourishes the spirit of religion is not proof, but faith, i.e., the undercutting of man's mind.


Leonard Peikoff, Maybe You're Wrong
The Objectivist Forum, April 1981,




This makes more sense than the remainder of the posts combined....
bigsmile :thumbsup: waving


waving flowerforyou :heart:

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:31 PM




maybe all the wars , famines , terror in the name of him .... are a good evidence that he is still learning how to be a god !

When we look around us, we can see a lot if people wanst able to have a good haircut..does it mean that this s also a good evidence that barbers are still learning how to b a barber?


Some good Barbers in the ME right now!
They'll give you a Haircut all the way don to your Neck for Free,no Charge!spock

the best place to have such hair cut .... it's where the whole mess of religions started
laugh pitchfork

metalwing's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:54 PM






Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Your Argument is fallacious!

No process of biological evolution could ever lead to the formation of a spiritual entity that would survive the death of the physical organisms.. we cannot beleive n a personally conscious afterlife unless we admit that there s a nonbiological, non material dimensions to human..this non material entity could only derive from a non material source: God himself..this s directly and explicitly taught n the bible n genesis 2:7..of course the question of whether humans have a spirit s not an issue that science can speak to, since such a spirit s not measurable or observable by material measures..


“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

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Wed 09/03/14 01:21 PM

If I do not believe in god .. I certainly don't believe in an after life.. When you die .. You die ..

.... then no matter what happens you wnt be dissapointed. lol
What did they say at the atiests funeral? and "all dresed up and nowhhere to go.

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Wed 09/03/14 03:29 PM
Many today believe that we can account for the development of our physical bodies through the process of organic evolution..but how could a purely physical and material process such us organic evolution ever produce a non material soul ir spirit that would survive death..well, anyways we would have to b veey careful to avoid wishful thinking n this area..it would b all too easy to choose to believe something simply because we wanted to believe it..

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Thu 09/04/14 08:14 AM

The devout cowboy lost his favorite Bible while he was mending fences out on the range. Three weeks later, a monkey walked up to him carrying the Bible in its mouth. The cowboy couldn't believe his eyes. He took the precious book out of the monkey's mouth, raised his eyes heavenward and exclaimed ... It's a miracle!

Not really... said the monkey.... Your name is written inside the cover."




Not so much lol. But cute humor :)=

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Fri 09/05/14 10:28 AM

"Our bodies are given form from the midst of nothingness. Existing where there is nothing is the meaning of the phrase "Form is emptiness." That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase, "Emptiness is form." One should not think that these are two separate."-- the Hagakure


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There's a phrase..."Form is emptiness?"

I like to think, 'Form has function.'

Was the Hagakure speaking in sarcasm?

Who or what is the Hagakure? ote]

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Fri 09/05/14 10:35 AM
For some strange reason, whenever I push the 'Quote' feature, I'm not able to separate my comment from the other persons quote.

If anybody out there can tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'd appreciate knowing how to correct this.

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Fri 09/05/14 10:53 AM


"Our bodies are given form from the midst of nothingness. Existing where there is nothing is the meaning of the phrase "Form is emptiness." That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase, "Emptiness is form." One should not think that these are two separate."-- the Hagakure




There's a phrase..."Form is emptiness?"

I like to think, 'Form has function.'

Was the Hagakure speaking in sarcasm?

Who or what is the Hagakure?


>>>>>>>>>>>>> STILL TRYING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM <<<<<<<<<<<<<



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Fri 09/05/14 10:58 AM



"Our bodies are given form from the midst of nothingness. Existing where there is nothing is the meaning of the phrase "Form is emptiness." That all things are provided for by nothingness is the meaning of the phrase, "Emptiness is form." One should not think that these are two separate."-- the Hagakure




There's a phrase..."Form is emptiness?"

I like to think, 'Form has function.'

Was the Hagakure speaking in sarcasm?

Who or what is the Hagakure?


>>>>>>>>>>>>> STILL TRYING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM <<<<<<<<<<<<<



frustrated

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Fri 09/05/14 11:03 AM
Sorry Everybody! slaphead oops


Mental note to myself: When adding comment after somebody else's quote... Be sure to 'click' curser after the word
in blue frame.

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Sat 09/06/14 04:22 PM
This notion of the physical existence of god is something that cannot be proven through any known means we have or ever will have. Generally speaking, someone will never doubt the existence of god or other higher power because they never invest their whole life in god. Which is why whatever religion your into you only go to mass, temple, Sunday school for a set amount of time. Only when you invest your whole life to something will you eventually doubt how practical it is to keep doing it,but when it comes to matters of faith its a question of "is what im doing making a difference?" because i cannot see it, i cannot touch it,i cannot interact with it, i have only my faith, naturally doubt starts to grow. As opposed to the typical average joe who invests only a certain amount of time each week. for for average people there is always very little or no doubt in the existence of god. For these people, god is everywhere and everything, People will always sit there and quote famous people with famous theories but what they are really doing, in my opinion, is just explain the same thing in a different way, based upon their own unique understanding. Essentially, they are trying to explain what the subtle is with an equation, or concept that has to do with matter. Think about it, the difference between logic and faith may seem large but it really isn't. Logic is what you know from experience and common sense and the physical world, faith is what you want to know, the intangible, and the spiritual world. Trying to explain the spiritual word using the physical world doesn't work. Being spiritual makes you raise your level of sensitive to the subtle. This is what it means to be spiritual, experience the different levels of subtle. From the physical world, to the spiritual world, there are so many different levels of subtle. Everyone experiences these levels different, and everyone will there for have a different opinion. Your original question of physical evidence of god cannot be proven because your asking for physical evidence of something that is intangible, hence faith.

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Sat 09/06/14 05:40 PM
Edited by no1phD on Sat 09/06/14 05:42 PM
just saying..lol
http://youtu.be/mIBTg7q9oNc

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Sat 09/06/14 06:47 PM
Edited by dcastelmissy on Sat 09/06/14 06:47 PM
I don't need proof of God. I am convinced of his reality by the answered prayer and miracles I have seen in my life. None of these would have happened if God did not exist! No human could have brought these things to fruition. Atheists even ask me to pray for them, yet they cannot trust in themselves to deliver them from where they are in life with no hope of a better life. However if they choose to disbelieve who can force them? No one. They will continue to believe they can make their circumstances change by their own accomplishments and dependency on themselves, yet they ask for prayer on their behalf despite believing a God exists! To each his own, but where will it lead them? How can you ask for prayers to a God you refuse to believe in?? Something is drastically wrong with this scenario!

dreamerana's photo
Sat 09/06/14 07:06 PM
proof of God?

the existence of life. every single person reading this, whether you are a believer or non believer, you and all of life is proof of God.
Science can neither create life where there is none, nor save a life whose time on earth has come to an end.

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Mon 09/29/14 05:43 AM
the fact that there is no proof of anything to do with god or spirits etc. but there is not just evidence of evolution but its actually happening and everything else that comes down to science but still learning. the fact of the matter is nobody wants to die, nobody wants to admit that when we die there is nothing else(not saying there is not! there is always the possibility but not god ). if someone can show proof(and I don't mean the 'beauty' of something I mean real fact) then I would say I was wrong. science has made it possible for us to recreate nature and copy to the exact what it does to 'make things'. the fact that religion is here is due to the first reason I put, religion is here to give us a moral compass so we don't become the animals we are and stay almost civilised. obviously religion is not doing a good job but is what I like to call keeping the balance even though because religion is actually dying away as people start to wake up to facts instead of make believe designed to make them feel better about the possible insignificance of their lives, crime is getting out of control and a lot of people are committing these crimes under the guise of religion and faith. we as humans live out the same day over and over with varying differences to what their day contains, so in those days when something happens that we cant explain we turn to something else to answer the 'big questions' for us. For example the child has got leukaemia( god is testing us) I won the lottery ( god made it happen)all those people died because those terrorists killed them( they are not following the one true god and because of that they must be following the devil) now the actual facts are...the child got leukaemia because that was what her body did the cells changed and that was the outcome. you won the lottery because of probability. and those terrorists killed those people because its our nature to kill we are animals at the end of the day, when you have religion to lean on it is possible to do anything and say well its what god wants me to do, you can remove responsibility so to speak because its what 'god had planned for you). now this does not necessarily mean life has no meaning because you mean something to your children and not just something but the world to them and to anyone who opens up their heart to you, it just means you should stop being scared and enjoy your life to the fullest. when it comes to the moral compass we are not born with well its up to the parents of this world to be the compass's for their children and then its a waiting game to see if they 'stay on route' at the end of the day its both nature and nurture.

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Mon 09/29/14 05:52 AM

proof of God?

the existence of life. every single person reading this, whether you are a believer or non believer, you and all of life is proof of God.
Science can neither create life where there is none, nor save a life whose time on earth has come to an end.
DITTO

mom333's photo
Mon 09/29/14 06:02 AM

proof of God?

the existence of life. every single person reading this, whether you are a believer or non believer, you and all of life is proof of God.
Science can neither create life where there is none, nor save a life whose time on earth has come to an end.
but it can though and is doing it all the time actually that' is exactly what their doing.

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